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This has happened in Canada, and was not pretty. Many students were abused. Many of the churches running the schools were recently facing the prospect of paying out bankrupting compensation.

Canadian Indian residential school system

I think a compromise would be a mandatory basic cirriculum, then let parents teach whatever they want after hours.

And for the home schooled?  And what about private schools?  Who gets to "force" who?  What weapons are they allowed to use to apply this "force"?  Everyone has their own opinions about education (what is taught, how it's taught, how it's managed, etc).  State run schools create a situation where people are artificially forced to reach some consensus where there might be at times legitimate disagreement.  Sometimes people need to be allowed their space to avoid violent conflict.  If people had more choice regarding schools or could recover their tax dollars to put it toward private alternatives, it would ease some of this conflict.

I would simply like our governments to be more persuasive and less coersive.

You would fail.  Public schooling has never been about education.

This is a myth, taught to you by a dysfunctional educational system.  Almost no one believed that the Earth was flat in Middle Europe, certainly not anyone who sailed on the ocean or lived near a coast.  The curvature of the Earth was easily demostrated.  Likewise, the belief that Columbus was trying to prove that the Earth was round was bs.  He was trying to prove that it was smaller than the majority of educated people in Europe believed it to be.  He was wrong and they were right, but he got lucky.

I would not go for the parent, I would force the school to change its behavior.

A bit over the top, I admit.  

So, if a child isn't being taught state approved material, how far would you be willing to go to force the parents to comply?  Would you take the children from their parents?  Would you imprison or kill them if they resisted?  That's my point.

I think we would do well to have less state interference in eduction rather than more.  The current state controlled system is certainly not working very well.  We don't have to worry that the best ideas will thrive, they always do and we should err on the side of solutions that don't require the use of authoritarian power.

What the hell!?
Murderous?   

So, I guess you get to decide what is taught to children then?  I suppose you are fully prepared to take people's children away and kill their parents to impose your world view as well?  Sorry, but I don't want to live in your murderous and totalitarian world.

PS.  I find it ironic that you seem to support state controlled education and use religious teachings as your justification for it.  It's ironic because were it not for the lobbying of religious institutions in the mid 1800s in the US, we might not have a statist education system today.  Religious organizations lobbied heavily to impose a state run education system precisely because they could use it to force their teachings on people.

Actually, no. You should not be free to teach your kids whatever you wish, because your child's education isn't about you, it's about your child.

The crazy idea that the world is round was a scientific determination made by the ancient Greeks (among others) well before the prevalent, Christian institutions of the early and middle ages decided the Earth was flat. It was the secular, non-religious sectors that succeeded in making the crazy idea the paradigm... but the point is that the idea was only crazy to the institutions of religious Europe, not the Greeks, not the Chinese, not most of the Arab world and so on.

The alternative perspectives you speak of can and should be pursued outside of the education system. The operating notion here is that of the rights of the child, not of the parent. Every child has a right to the most adequate education possible. To suggest that teaching children the world is about 6,000 years old is adequate is ridiculous. That child, indoctrinated into believing the world is 6,000 years old, has had his or her rights trampled on.

We, as a society, defend the rights of children not just because it's just, but also because it's self-serving. Children, as it happens, typically grow into adults. And it seems to benefit us as a society to have adults whose rights were not interfered with while they were children. Funny how that works out.

In fact, at present, every child in North America is suffering because the quality of science education in primary and secondary schools, particularly in the United States, is simply appalling.

I agree with evoorhees here...you might not like what someone else is teaching their kids, but they have to be free to teach it too them.  This is where crazy ideas (like the world is round) come from.  If we allow a monoculture around education to develop, we all lose.  In a private system, the vast majority of people will put their kids through some accredited and conformist education because that's the path of least resistance to developing the tools needed to be successful.  But we need those alternative perspectives as well...every once in a while, they yield something that truly changes the world for the better.

Sure it should be allowed, just not with the taxpayer's dollar.

I do not think the public has had a successful piece on Bitcoin that had it in a positive light, I say, any publicity, is good publicity.  Smarter people will see through the bullshit, and those people then can decide if they want to try out the coin.

Bruce is asking on Twitter whether anyone has any good photos of the Bitcoin conference.  He says that an "important national magazine" wants them.  While we all know Bruce's propensity for hype, it would be kind of worrying if any significant media did run a story linking Bruce and Bitcoin.

Use a pie in that case. You can even use one decorated like a bitcoin that will leave a big B. Paint ball guns are dangerous, leave bruises, and hurt like a bitch!

I don't get what Bruce thinks he's getting out of this...

I'll answer 3 and 4 with people i've talked with have seen him there, and he's not worth my time to take the day off to drive down to that hell hole of a city sorry my time is worth more than that to me, however if anyone wants to pay me standard steel detailer rate to drive down and do so i'd gladly record it(it's that or overtime on saturday for me i'll make the same either way)

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I'm not going to get deeply involved in this chat - as we're now pretty off-topic, but
The marketplace you suggest effectively peddles a lie on the unsuspecting child.  The lie is that they are receiving an education that is roughly equivalent to their peers on a national or global level.
Let them send their kids to whatever extra-curricular classes tickle their fancy - but you can't expect a madrassa or fundamentalist christian school to give a proper treatment of modern science *yet the 'customers' (ignorant parents & naive kids) are often unaware of this*.

The theories and ideas which are in the curriculum have already won on competitive merit in the scientific peer-review process.
Regardless of what baloney people want to teach their kids on the sidelines - they shouldn't be able to pretend that their local preaching institution is giving an equivalent and relevant education.

The child is best served in a competitive educational marketplace, in which theories and ideas are taught based on competitive merit instead of diktat.

How about this... let the marketplace decide what ought to be taught. Let each individual choose for himself and his children. Allow competition in education, instead of mandating your preferred curriculum upon the entire country.

Mandating (by force) that children learn one thing instead of another is what churches do... and it'd be awfully ironic for you to engage in the same behavior while simultaneously condemning creationism.