Topic: The Bitcoin Show on OnlyOneTV.com - page 9. (Read 53427 times)

If you had read my posts on the Pattaya thread you would know I was repeatedly telling the people shouting "pedophile!!" to either provide proof or shut the fuck up. The same is true of MyBitcoin. Many people have suspicions, especially given Bruce's prior scams, but at least so far nobody has unearthed enough evidence to make a reasonable accusation.

As to whether he was the sole employee: Well, as the owner, yes he actually is responsible for things like the content of the ads. Especially since by his own admission it started as a very small operation (he implied, though did not numerically state, only 1 person besides himself) and he claims to have only gotten "overwhelmed" after he ran the ads. Yes, if he's the owner of a two person company he's responsible for the content of the ads. He's responsible for making sure they're factual. The guy in charge is supposed to be in charge. Which is true even for large companies, but in a two person company... it's really hard to say, "Oh, yeah, I never even thought to look at the webpage I paid a web designer to hire" with any credibility.

BTW: for those of you "old" enough: there where quite a few threads some month ago, how we could convince international drug dealers, the mafia and other criminals and black markets to use bitcoin. Now we have our little Brucey and everyone screams. But compared with the wished ones, I say Bruce is the father, son and holy spirit combined.

Is this true or sarcasm?

Lucky for you, none yet. Still working on my master's   I do work for the government as a finance analyst, so feel free to avoid government  

Because I worked for several years at a legitimate debt management firm. We routinely had customers in foreclosure come in for help, but they had already paid their money to one of Bruce's copycats. By the time they realized there would be no help they had $3,000 less and were 3 or 4 mortgage payments behind, not 1. I and my coworkers had to watch several families a month become homeless because of those scams. And that was before the securities bubble burst. It was much worse after that.

When you have a mother and father of three children walk in the door terrified about what will happen to their kids if they lose the home and you take an amount of money that could have covered them moving into a cheaper apartment, and sit back and watch them lose their home, you are a fucking asshole, end of story. The owner of the company I worked for was one of the greediest people I know and HE didn't even try charging people fees when they were in such dire straits. We'd usually negotiate a vastly reduced fee, to be paid months or even a couple years down the road after they were on better footing, and even then we usually took a loss.

The very fact he was going after people who had foreclosure notice means he knew for a fact every victim coming in the door would be seriously harmed when nothing was done to help them. The people walking into his office were people about to lose their homes.

Speculation.


He obviously lied to get business. That WAS apparently illegal. We don't know if he just took money and decided to keep it, or if as soon as he opened his business with all the lies, a whole bunch of desperate people sent him checks before he had the investors lined up to help him, and after a month or few of "where's my money/help?" he goes sued before he even had a chance to do anything.


Speculation again. The court paper didn't say why it was rejected.


Must not have bee one of the few I'm following then.

90% of his audience were the same people who exposed him. As for the other ten viewers, I guess that's up to them.

Could you list any businesses you are a part of so I will know to avoid them.

But anyway I sent off my messages to the sponsors.

MtGox.com
[email protected]

Bit-pay.com
[email protected]

MezeGrill.com
http://mezegrill.com/contact_us.html

BitBrew.net
http://bitbrew.net/contact


I am done trying to argue with the Bruce associates/defenders... or whatever they are.   

Do what thou wilt.

I'm sure it's pointless to ask, but was he the sole employee of that company? Was he in charge of advertising or creating the website? Does he even know how to make a website? Do we have a timeline from when his business opened doors and got its first customer until they were sued, to see if they were really given enough time to find clients?
More importantly, do we have proof that Bruce stole millions, or is a pedo, or is behind Mybitcoin?
Even MORE importantly, are you running your own show? Do you know who will make a better spokesman for Bitcoin? Do you have any plans to help them get started?
The MOST important question, do you think you can influence the opinions of the community as a whole about whom they should or should not give a feck about? Do you think you will be able to stop Bruce from continuing his show? Do you think you can change the minds of the fans of his show, or change the minds of people who never liked his show, anyway? Do you think anyone else outside of Bitcoin will even care?

I could argue that you traveling back in time (at least before 2003), are as illegal as Bruce, depending on the US state you are in. You could have ended up in prison back in those years. So why do you value his past that much?

I think Bruce didn't know better. As one can tell from his shows, he is very ungeeky regarding computer stuff (and microphones BTW )

Edit: typo

The court rejected it because his statements were false. He told a shitload of people he'd had great success saving houses. In court, he pulls the "Oh, yeah, well once business picked up we got overwhelmed" and then couldn't actually name a single client he helped.

The court is allowed to reject evidence that can be demonstrated to be fraudulent. Bruce "defaulted" because perjury in an actual trial would have gotten him thrown in prison and there was nothing truthful he could say in his defense.

His "defense", he already posted it on the forum. His claim was he got "overwhelmed." The court rightfully rejected that argument. It was covered in one of the financial news articles back then, someone posted the link to the archive in one of the threads.

Let me repeat, the court found and declared his business to be a scam. The court rejected and did not admit into public record his explanation. The court also decided it's judgement as default. Not just a judge deciding on the case immediately due to overwhelming evidence, but deciding in default due to Bruce just refusing to defend himself after his explanations were rejected. We can go based on the court's word, or we can go on Bruce's word. Personally, having studied business court cases, that is still a case of he-said she-said to me, with way too few details, and I can easily imagine getting into the type of situation he described in a legitimate business example.
What I would need is to either read minds, or know Bruce personally. Or a confession from someone he worked with, admitting that the whole thing was really a scam. I don't have either.

I'll give you that, he was great at evangelising. Bitcoin is quite a complicated thing for the layman to understand, but he had a way with words. He always used to explain how easy the whole process was to beginners, you just had to go to mybitcoin.com and press "register"...

In your opinion. Considering I've gotten multiple people into it and someone setting up a bitcoin-related business is planning to hire me to write code for it, I'd say I've actually done something.

Your claim that I am "damaging" it, though? Well, let's see. Your argument is I'm damaging it by, um... What. Oh, that's right! Exposing Bruce as a scammer and providing proof, so that people won't fall for his next scam.

Gee, how horrible a person I am that I traveled back in time and planted false evidence against Bruce in a court archive JUST so I could point at that after Bitcoin came out.

Bruce couldn't provide the court in Illinois with the name of _ONE PERSON_ whos home he saved. The ads he ran claimed he'd been doing that for 12 years and had over 70 offices.

And those ads have been posted for all to see.

So, let's see. Bruce ran ads claiming 12 years experience, multiple lawyers on staff, 70+ offices nationwide. Those ads have been posted, archived through independent sources, and those ads are part of the court documentation against him. Bruce could not actually provide the name of _ONE SINGLE SATISFIED CUSTOMER._

You think that means it's "speculation" that he committed willful fraud? Wake the fuck up.

Wow! So how can it then be that some apparently convinced fraudster was able to significantly broaden the bitcoin economy, while you only work on damaging it?

Yeah, he organised "the largest case of mortgage fraud ever in Illinois" and made off with $600. It's amazing you are still breathing. How do you think he pays for a studio in Manhattan, streaming internet TV, and international filming jaunts to Tokyo?The man hasn't had a job in the last decade.

Yeah, people should just not care when other people get caught fucking animals  . Nobody cares what you get up to when you are wearing your yiffsuit but the moment you lay a hand on a real animal or child, damn straight you should be villified. As for Bruce, the Bitcoin community should have washed their hands of him the moment he was outed as a fraudster. No drama needed... But too many people were too proud/stubborn to admit they had been wrong about it, so it turned into a protracted battle.

A pseudonymous marketplace like Bitcoin relies on scammers being ostracised. If you value bitcoin and want it to succeed, you should write Bruce off ASAP

lol aq ~ short for acquiescence?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.515212

I may have forgotten the facts, I'll give you that. Yes, I know there are multiple issues in multiple states. Stuff about assault in NY I think? Your points about why explanations were bullshit were also your speculation. No evidence on either your part or his, sorry.
Also, I don't think of him as a spokesman. Gavin is the developer. Bruce is just one guy with a show, and little technical knowledge behind the project. And again, I'm honestly not trying to defend him, I'm just trying to put some breaks on the extreme overreacting and EXTREME reaching on some of the claims.

And the car company in this example would be bitcoin itself. You don't have BW client running on your computer. It is bitcoin that you have to thrust. You don't have to thrust the speaker of their commercials (BW).
So yes, examine the source code of the Bitcoin software. Check that there is no bad code in there, and so on. But BW? Why?