Of course, all data about the virus is strictly classified. Blaming China for the development of this virus is dangerous. Surprisingly, in China, the peak incidence has long passed. This means that China was ready for such a situation. We will follow the news, perhaps after preventing the epidemiological situation, countries will begin investigations where we learn something new.
The truth is all the data regarding the virus are public, all the major countries are struggling and there is no classified information in finding out a vaccine, if you are talking about the data about the number of deaths in China then it is true considering the spread in other countries but other than that everything about the virus is public data. 
Topic: The Coronavirus as A Means of Financial Reset - page 4. (Read 1604 times)
The data on coronavirus right now is a very serious investigation, in which China brings everything down to the USA, and the USA to China. Let's see if there is any significant evidence from any of the parties who can prove that it was the opponent who created this virus.
Who would have wanted to start this corona virus and made all the economies shut down because of the continuos spread of corona virus positive cases and took thousands of people's lives? I guess no country would ever wanted this way. So we should stop thinking that this is USA or China way of revenge because the fact that all countries are suffering right now is already a proof. 
In the end, both of them will be losers. So it does not matter which among them will benefit more. In terms of debt, I guess the US has a much bigger one compared to China. And also, China has just started to reap the fruits of their labors, so why would they commit a suicide and go back to step one?
Or maybe this is a story with two main players, namely China and the United States. Or there are powers above these countries that control the world. If China, America, and the whole world are both disadvantaged because of COVID-19 funds. Then there must be those who benefit or at least those who take the opportunity in trouble.
Not talking about conspiracy issues but that the reality of prosperity in this world is not spread fairly and evenly. A group of people has gone down and controls 97% of the world's wealth. It is this group that controls this world and tries to continue to maintain its hegemony and how to perpetuate its wealth forever. If we learn about the history of the FED, and Wallstreet, we will realize that they have for several generations controlled the world's finances. They do not care about the condition of the world what they care about, they are ready with any conditions.
It appears that many (if not most) Western scientists have a lot of trouble accessing the genomic data of the Coronavirus that is supposedly published but actually controlled:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-pandemic-two-trailblazing-covid-19-researchers-dead-month
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-pandemic-two-trailblazing-covid-19-researchers-dead-month
Difficult to take too seriously when there's like 160 vaccines in development, with many trials happening in the UK, US, Germany, Canada, Australia, etc. That's why I find this conspiracy theory especially hard to believe. There are many thousands of scientists studying this virus and mapping its genome. If there was compelling evidence of lab origin it would be very difficult to keep under wraps.
I looked through your links and it seems that the technical information has been refuted by PeakProsperity.com's Chris Martenson. If I remember correctly, the scientists (and BTW Robert Garry is definitely one of the 'small circle') claim that you can't possibly guess and work out the genomic sequence for the spikes that make the virus bind effectively to the human receptors (supposedly 'ACE2.') I believe Martenson is saying there are pretty well-known techniques not revealed by the scientists making that argument, such as creating rapid evolution in a lab to select for the best-binding viruses.
Also, it seems none of the 'mainstream scientist' arguments, that I've seen, address what Martenson calls the 'smoking gun,' that is, a 'polybase furin cleavage site' that appears to be an insertion of a four-letter sequence into one of the natural viruses that Coronavirus supposed evolved from (by which the virus gains a key function.) He is saying it is basically impossible for this to occur naturally.
Also, it seems none of the 'mainstream scientist' arguments, that I've seen, address what Martenson calls the 'smoking gun,' that is, a 'polybase furin cleavage site' that appears to be an insertion of a four-letter sequence into one of the natural viruses that Coronavirus supposed evolved from (by which the virus gains a key function.) He is saying it is basically impossible for this to occur naturally.
I watched the section about that "smoking gun." Didn't seem compelling. He's basically like "since we haven't found a nearly identical relative it must have been man-made." He seems really arrogant in assuming the lack of obvious known lineage implies a lab origin, as if humans have even scratched the surface of coronaviruses. Bats alone are believed to carry thousands of them, let alone intermediate species. Some estimates put the number of unknown viruses affecting mammals and birds at 1.6 million! Scientists can't even agree about what viruses are, whether they are alive, or what their origin is. It seems very arrogant to definitively say SARS-COV-2 could not appear in nature.
The same meaning because corona virus make many industries stop for working and their business down, but have any country want to re open their business during corona virus have been clear, Waiting when my country better and corona virus could stop to restart agan economic crisis.
wait what , do you want to restart again the crisis ? or you mean to say restart the economy again . that maybe is . because we all wanted this current crisis to end but who wouldnt be ? when this crisis affect our job , hobby ,etc .
dunno if financial reset is beneficial or not . not because it firstly destroy the economic state . beneficial because this refereshes everything . just like when we refresh our pc and cp . which makes them work better after this
Apparently my mind is not as fertile as yours. I don't go as far as saying this is all intentional and as a means for a financial reset. China is fast becoming a superpower. I cannot think of a reason why they have to commit an economic suicide by doing this. You have to take note that Wuhan up to this very day is still recording new infections and still economically suffering from its impacts.
The possibility becomes even more remote if you include the western countries as co-main actors in this grand scheme.
The possibility becomes even more remote if you include the western countries as co-main actors in this grand scheme.
You could argue that China benefits even more than the West from a financial reset, because its debt bubble is even bigger. This is by design of the modern world system. Countries that use their productivity to support the financial asset values of the core countries are, ironically, even more financially fragile (and politically too, typically, and in this case.) So, elites in producer countries try even harder to safeguard the status quo than their counterparts in the core countries. This doesn't work out 100% of the time, but is the design.
There's an entire calculus, field of study, whatever you want to call it, on the international politics, trade and capital flows, and international money, that comprise the true system that governs the world, that is missing from our mainstream education and commentary. This is as expected, since this is a system of theft and deception by nature (though not mainly through coercion but through addicting various actors via the 'benefits' they receive.) The closest thing I've come across is something called 'world system analysis' by Columbia professor Immanuel Wallerstein. Check it out.
In the end, both of them will be losers. So it does not matter which among them will benefit more. In terms of debt, I guess the US has a much bigger one compared to China. And also, China has just started to reap the fruits of their labors, so why would they commit a suicide and go back to step one?
Thanks for the recommendation, by the way.
The same meaning because corona virus make many industries stop for working and their business down, but have any country want to re open their business during corona virus have been clear, Waiting when my country better and corona virus could stop to restart agan economic crisis.
The data on coronavirus right now is a very serious investigation, in which China brings everything down to the USA, and the USA to China. Let's see if there is any significant evidence from any of the parties who can prove that it was the opponent who created this virus.
It seems to me, the virus was almost certainly made in a lab. See the links at the bottom to Chris Martenson's analysis of the genomic sequences. (Watch the videos.)
That said, the question remains, why have the Western media and the small circle of involved mainstream scientists (e.g. Daszak, Fauci, etc.) been covering for China and vigorously dismissing any theory that the virus came from a lab?
That said, the question remains, why have the Western media and the small circle of involved mainstream scientists (e.g. Daszak, Fauci, etc.) been covering for China and vigorously dismissing any theory that the virus came from a lab?
It's not a small circle. There are lots of non-government scientists from all over the world forming the consensus that it wasn't lab derived.
https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-scientists-think-of-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-lab-rumour
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-scientists-think-the-novel-coronavirus-developed-naturally-not-in-a-chinese-lab/
It's more likely the lab conspiracy theory is being used to channel people's economic anger away from their own governments, as a scapegoat.
It appears that many (if not most) Western scientists have a lot of trouble accessing the genomic data of the Coronavirus that is supposedly published but actually controlled:
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-pandemic-two-trailblazing-covid-19-researchers-dead-month
I looked through your links and it seems that the technical information has been refuted by PeakProsperity.com's Chris Martenson. If I remember correctly, the scientists (and BTW Robert Garry is definitely one of the 'small circle') claim that you can't possibly guess and work out the genomic sequence for the spikes that make the virus bind effectively to the human receptors (supposedly 'ACE2.') I believe Martenson is saying there are pretty well-known techniques not revealed by the scientists making that argument, such as creating rapid evolution in a lab to select for the best-binding viruses.
Also, it seems none of the 'mainstream scientist' arguments, that I've seen, address what Martenson calls the 'smoking gun,' that is, a 'polybase furin cleavage site' that appears to be an insertion of a four-letter sequence into one of the natural viruses that Coronavirus supposed evolved from (by which the virus gains a key function.) He is saying it is basically impossible for this to occur naturally.
So, I would suggest that you review the videos in the links presented in my original post, and see what you think.
Apparently my mind is not as fertile as yours. I don't go as far as saying this is all intentional and as a means for a financial reset. China is fast becoming a superpower. I cannot think of a reason why they have to commit an economic suicide by doing this. You have to take note that Wuhan up to this very day is still recording new infections and still economically suffering from its impacts.
The possibility becomes even more remote if you include the western countries as co-main actors in this grand scheme.
The possibility becomes even more remote if you include the western countries as co-main actors in this grand scheme.
You could argue that China benefits even more than the West from a financial reset, because its debt bubble is even bigger. This is by design of the modern world system. Countries that use their productivity to support the financial asset values of the core countries are, ironically, even more financially fragile (and politically too, typically, and in this case.) So, elites in producer countries try even harder to safeguard the status quo than their counterparts in the core countries. This doesn't work out 100% of the time, but is the design.
There's an entire calculus, field of study, whatever you want to call it, on the international politics, trade and capital flows, and international money, that comprise the true system that governs the world, that is missing from our mainstream education and commentary. This is as expected, since this is a system of theft and deception by nature (though not mainly through coercion but through addicting various actors via the 'benefits' they receive.) The closest thing I've come across is something called 'world system analysis' by Columbia professor Immanuel Wallerstein. Check it out.
If you can find a search engine that stills works. You can find sources which credit the new corona virus with having identical RNA sequences to genetic sequences found in HIV/AIDs.
News sources claim this is due to HIV and the corona virus sharing a common virus ancestor:
Source: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
It all depends on whether someone considers the above explanation to be valid or a pseudoscience attempt at applying political spin.
News sources claim this is due to HIV and the corona virus sharing a common virus ancestor:
Source: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
It all depends on whether someone considers the above explanation to be valid or a pseudoscience attempt at applying political spin.
considering the report was redacted upon peer review, i wouldn't take it seriously. sharing a common ancestor means very little:
The new corona virus attacks the immune system virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. I don't think you're disputing this. It also has RNA sequences virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. This is the reason why initially it was treated with anti HIV/AIDs medication. Those span an amazing sequence of "coincidences" for those that believe in coincidence.
this is incorrect. HIV attacks CD4 cells, a specific type of white blood cell. that leads to an inability to fight off infections. SARS-CoV-2 does nothing like that whatsoever. it primarily infects the pharynx, airways, and lungs and often induces inflammatory responses much more similar to autoimmune diseases than diseases characterized by immunosuppression---literal opposites.
You're citing cytokine storms which can be fatal. Immunodeficiency can also be fatal. Both have been exhibited in the new corona virus. And they can both be present simultaneously.
i can't find any reports supporting this idea that the coronavirus causes immunodeficiency. people with compromised immune systems are certainly dying from it, but that would be expected with any deadly pathogen.
Anyway, we cant have 10 years of bull run. We will see new crisis sooner or later. Corona was just a trigger
they are testing HIV treatments because they are antivirals, not because the viruses are particularly similar.
HIV causes immunodeficiency. if anything, SARS-CoV-2 does the opposite. the immune response to this coronavirus is commonly too strong and is often the underlying cause of death. this is why some doctors are treating patients with drugs indicated for autoimmune disorders---to stop their immune systems from killing them.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/828091467/why-some-covid-19-patients-crash-the-bodys-immune-system-might-be-to-blame
in fact, it's believed the same exact mechanism is what killed so many young/healthy people during the 1918 flu:
viruses are constantly emerging and mutating. without any evidence of lab descent and this vast government conspiracy, occam's razor should apply.
HIV causes immunodeficiency. if anything, SARS-CoV-2 does the opposite. the immune response to this coronavirus is commonly too strong and is often the underlying cause of death. this is why some doctors are treating patients with drugs indicated for autoimmune disorders---to stop their immune systems from killing them.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/828091467/why-some-covid-19-patients-crash-the-bodys-immune-system-might-be-to-blame
in fact, it's believed the same exact mechanism is what killed so many young/healthy people during the 1918 flu:
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And the virus that caused the 1918 flu pandemic is thought to have led to deadly cytokine storms in many of the outbreak's otherwise young and healthy victims.
viruses are constantly emerging and mutating. without any evidence of lab descent and this vast government conspiracy, occam's razor should apply.
If you can find a search engine that stills works. You can find sources which credit the new corona virus with having identical RNA sequences to genetic sequences found in HIV/AIDs.
News sources claim this is due to HIV and the corona virus sharing a common virus ancestor:
Source: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature
It all depends on whether someone considers the above explanation to be valid or a pseudoscience attempt at applying political spin.
The new corona virus attacks the immune system virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. I don't think you're disputing this. It also has RNA sequences virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. This is the reason why initially it was treated with anti HIV/AIDs medication. Those span an amazing sequence of "coincidences" for those that believe in coincidence.
You're citing cytokine storms which can be fatal. Immunodeficiency can also be fatal. Both have been exhibited in the new corona virus. And they can both be present simultaneously.
Blaming China for the development of this virus is dangerous. Surprisingly, in China, the peak incidence has long passed. This means that China was ready for such a situation.
Why is blaming China in this context exactly dangerous? They rightfully deserve to be blamed since they did not implement appropriate measures to control it. They focused on their own and forgot about the rest of the world which is why everyone are suffering now.Also, the situation is still pretty bad in China even though they are slowly recovering. They are reporting fake numbers which is why we can't tell for sure how bad the situation is. Their scandal with WHO is another reason why they should be blamed.
I also think like you. The corona virus is thought to be an economic virus and it was born to reset the game. It sounds fictitious, but this is true, Chinese people want to create this pandemic so that the powerful European countries will lose strength and they will be more powerful when their economy comes back. earlier. This is a very dangerous game and if the governments of many countries do not solve well, it can lead to economic crisis.
Perhaps the situation with the artificial spread of coronavirus is even more global in scope than just the far-reaching plans of the Chinese government. So much effort and money has been spent on combating coronavirus that it undermines the economies of most countries. They say that people under the pretext of compulsory vaccination against coronavirus can enter electronic chips in the future for total control over them. There are other, no less fantastic rumors. The situation is really very strange.Everything happening for a good cause, we can expect the population spike in the next year due to extended lockdown.
OH YEAH BABY! OH YEAH!
was the 1918 flu manufactured too? there is a big difference between deliberately manufacturing a crisis, and exploiting an existing one in furtherance of power and financial gain. governments and political elites have a long history of the latter.
What would you think if a virus arose. That had all known symptoms of chickenpox while attacking the human immune system virtually identical to HIV/AIDs. If you were a scientist and needed to guess whether this new virus was naturally occurring or human engineered. What would your conclusion be?It might help to think about scientists initially treating the new corona virus with anti HIV/AIDs medication due to it attacking the immune system virtually identical to how HIV/AIDs does. I think it would be accurate and fair to say the new corona virus is like a hybrid between SARS and selective portions of HIV. The SARS portion makes the virus airborne and very infectious while attacking the lungs. The HIV portion attacks the immune system for a two pronged assault. Going on basic science alone, when in history have we encountered something like this? People talk about it as if its the same as the 1918 pandemic. It might be fair & accurate to say the new corona virus is in many ways the complete opposite of the 1918 pandemic.
they are testing HIV treatments because they are antivirals, not because the viruses are particularly similar.
HIV causes immunodeficiency. if anything, SARS-CoV-2 does the opposite. the immune response to this coronavirus is commonly too strong and is often the underlying cause of death. this is why some doctors are treating patients with drugs indicated for autoimmune disorders---to stop their immune systems from killing them.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/828091467/why-some-covid-19-patients-crash-the-bodys-immune-system-might-be-to-blame
in fact, it's believed the same exact mechanism is what killed so many young/healthy people during the 1918 flu:
Quote
And the virus that caused the 1918 flu pandemic is thought to have led to deadly cytokine storms in many of the outbreak's otherwise young and healthy victims.
viruses are constantly emerging and mutating. without any evidence of lab descent and this vast government conspiracy, occam's razor should apply.
I do get what you are trying to say but at the same time it is not a financial reset but actually an economic disaster. The Corona virus in just one country is making more than 25 million people jobless , plus you need to add the amount of people who were already jobless . The poor are suffering the middle class is mentally and financially struggling to get their ends meet . The rich are using up their resources.
It dont matter where it come from. Now is here. And we have to take care of it. If some terrorist will launch a nuclear bomb in your city it will be the same. You will have to die or live with it. It will no matter to you who did it. A lot of people live on Earth so a lot things can happen to us all. We should not take any day we live in happiness as granted.
Granted - never
Happiness - always , never let the kid in you die. If you are not happy you are not living at all.
It is not just blaming China , unfortunately there are sources suggesting now it grew from there and they did nothing.
They also sushed their own doctor who was trying to tell people about the virus.
They have now United with Russia and asking the US for answers , about why they are blaming them ! See they are making this issue political and soon enough a war might emerge if they keep moving forward like this . Just keep it down till the virus goes away after that you can go all out after each other.
That said, the question remains, why have the Western media and the small circle of involved mainstream scientists (e.g. Daszak, Fauci, etc.) been covering for China and vigorously dismissing any theory that the virus came from a lab? (For example, ZeroHedge got its Twitter account suspended just for being the first to report some Indian scientists' findings of possible genomic manipulation in the virus' creation.)
It dont matter where it come from. Now is here. And we have to take care of it. If some terrorist will launch a nuclear bomb in your city it will be the same. You will have to die or live with it. It will no matter to you who did it. A lot of people live on Earth so a lot things can happen to us all. We should not take any day we live in happiness as granted.
Happiness - always , never let the kid in you die. If you are not happy you are not living at all.
Of course, all data about the virus is strictly classified. Blaming China for the development of this virus is dangerous. Surprisingly, in China, the peak incidence has long passed. This means that China was ready for such a situation. We will follow the news, perhaps after preventing the epidemiological situation, countries will begin investigations where we learn something new.
It is not just blaming China , unfortunately there are sources suggesting now it grew from there and they did nothing.
They also sushed their own doctor who was trying to tell people about the virus.
They have now United with Russia and asking the US for answers , about why they are blaming them ! See they are making this issue political and soon enough a war might emerge if they keep moving forward like this . Just keep it down till the virus goes away after that you can go all out after each other.
How I love posts in the "economy" section that are essentially equal to the "politics and society" section.
"Mommy virus was invented by the Communists in collusion with American capitalists to stop the bull market and blow off steam."
Anyone who has at least basic concepts about the system of economic cycles in particular and about economic theory in principle is able to understand without help from ABOVE that the market in the classical cycle has both ups and downs and crises this is an integral part of it as a way to:
- blow off steam
- remove the uncompetitive
- to make way for "young"
- cause the need for optimization (which many people in a steadily growing market do not care about)
- etc
The theory of artificial creation of the virus is quite real, but there is no way involved "West" and other "Soros and Rockefellers". Just within the framework of this theory - the Chinese security forces under the protectorate of the official government went a little crazy and decided to play "God from the machine" creating a biological weapon "just for fun" but at the same time hard shits. The authorities covered them up but at the same time brought on the entire country as a whole a severe collapse of reputation.
In fact, we will NEVER know whether it is an artificial virus or a real one, simply because no matter how much you would like to see so - called "state capitalism" in China-it is still partly a Communist regime, at least within the consciousness of statesmen.
Do we need to charge China in full for such an event? Definitely. Is it possible to find the root of evil and the real culprits? Only in the case of power crisis in China
"Mommy virus was invented by the Communists in collusion with American capitalists to stop the bull market and blow off steam."
Anyone who has at least basic concepts about the system of economic cycles in particular and about economic theory in principle is able to understand without help from ABOVE that the market in the classical cycle has both ups and downs and crises this is an integral part of it as a way to:
- blow off steam
- remove the uncompetitive
- to make way for "young"
- cause the need for optimization (which many people in a steadily growing market do not care about)
- etc
The theory of artificial creation of the virus is quite real, but there is no way involved "West" and other "Soros and Rockefellers". Just within the framework of this theory - the Chinese security forces under the protectorate of the official government went a little crazy and decided to play "God from the machine" creating a biological weapon "just for fun" but at the same time hard shits. The authorities covered them up but at the same time brought on the entire country as a whole a severe collapse of reputation.
In fact, we will NEVER know whether it is an artificial virus or a real one, simply because no matter how much you would like to see so - called "state capitalism" in China-it is still partly a Communist regime, at least within the consciousness of statesmen.
Do we need to charge China in full for such an event? Definitely. Is it possible to find the root of evil and the real culprits? Only in the case of power crisis in China
Many people stating that having this kind of pandemic outbreak has a good impact too because like in the pollution there is a lot of populated country because of the private and public vehicles after the lockdown implemented there is a lot of news that the air today is more cleaner and also there are some streets become less populated unlike before and also there are a lot of trashes collected but by this kind of outbreak it lessens all of those.
IMO we cannot really blame china because this is part of their norms and believes but even this is already coming from China they made an action immediately so they create a quarantine hospital to deliver all of the patience which is infected. Even they are the one who already got infected mostly they are already recovered and pulling back their GDP to retrieve the whole economy and we are looking at other countries too so they made a cure to stop this virus spreading
Of course, all data about the virus is strictly classified. Blaming China for the development of this virus is dangerous. Surprisingly, in China, the peak incidence has long passed. This means that China was ready for such a situation. We will follow the news, perhaps after preventing the epidemiological situation, countries will begin investigations where we learn something new.
IMO we cannot really blame china because this is part of their norms and believes but even this is already coming from China they made an action immediately so they create a quarantine hospital to deliver all of the patience which is infected. Even they are the one who already got infected mostly they are already recovered and pulling back their GDP to retrieve the whole economy and we are looking at other countries too so they made a cure to stop this virus spreading
Of course, all data about the virus is strictly classified. Blaming China for the development of this virus is dangerous. Surprisingly, in China, the peak incidence has long passed. This means that China was ready for such a situation. We will follow the news, perhaps after preventing the epidemiological situation, countries will begin investigations where we learn something new.
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