Topic: The Coronavirus as A Means of Financial Reset - page 6. (Read 1604 times)

We are likely going to see or hear more by the time the US get back on because they are the watchdog of the world and capable for unraveling it all. I think most analysis is pointing at China to know what happened but again we are still waiting for the fact about it.

Perhaps the situation with the artificial spread of coronavirus is even more global in scope than just the far-reaching plans of the Chinese government. So much effort and money has been spent on combating coronavirus that it undermines the economies of most countries. They say that people under the pretext of compulsory vaccination against coronavirus can enter electronic chips in the future for total control over them. There are other, no less fantastic rumors. The situation is really very strange.

There is no debt default, the only reset is a soft default by failure to repay value and only nominal repayment.   Alot of the debt now is on a short time basis so the holders dont notice or don't care about this value lost, over a large time period it registers as more significant (workers over their career earn less value etc.) but presently the system is being juggled and there is no change to that because of the virus.
   Contraction in GDP and expanding or continuing as were previously to enlarge the monetary base is going to mean less value in the debt per unit but since the amount owed is rising so fast its not to anyones benefit.

The most likely reason for the virus is stupidity, to release and expect anything in somebody's favour is not likely.   Was it a biological weapon is a maybe but I would guess not at this point as there are more immediate ways to damage a troop encampment then a virus which kills single figure %.   This isn't a warfare agent by my reckoning, its only having a wider economic effect in an attempt to reduce deaths.

I've no doubts the debt situation will unwind and destroy itself without any help, its a wheel off kilter that needs no help to fall apart.  This is the nature of capitalism now and forever, humans live in a system greater then themselves and that applies biologically, ecologically and even economically.   We can adjust but there is never total control, that part is the delusion society may have shared previously.

I have been seeing similar news like this and some people have dismissed this as another conspiracy theory and they are calling it fake. Though there are things that are making me quite confused about this situation. Before now there has been a book that talked about a situation like this happening in the future. So I always feel like people that are saying this was created in a lab are saying it because of those books.

I really don't know what to believe in this situation, if this is really true, then it might be that they already have the cure and pretending that they don't have it yet. Or was it created and got out from the lab by mistake? Whatever it is, I just want this situation to come to an end.

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply.  I hope to address the most common issues raised by multiple people here in a single post, and to address other issues separately.

The most important issue is what I feel to be the assumption by many that the Western elites can't possibly be so evil as to release this virus intentionally.  This is totally understandable, but let us look, for example, at World War I.  The mainstream media is still struggling to explain why the UK and US went into this war.  (In the US the war was so unpopular that the Espionage Act of 1917 had to be created to make it a crime to comment against joining the war.  The 'land of the free' would apparently have to wait.)  Almost a million Britons were killed, and we still don't know what for.  If we ask 'who benefits,' however, we see that the global imperial-financial bubble was moved from Britain to the cheaper, more productive and friendly US as a result of the war, which also put unfriendly Germany out of the running.

Financial busts and economic crises have always occurred in Western history.  It's not a question of if, but when.  (See my post on this topic.)

Another popular argument seems to be that the Western (and even Chinese) elites can't possibly want the economic pain of the virus.  This is again totally understandable, but doesn't take into account that, at this stage of the 'everything bubble,' there will be pain, no matter what.  Either the asset values crash on their own, or the elites engineer a controlled crash.  To them, the latter is far more preferable.  (This hypothesis of control is also consistent with that the pandemic will drag on and on, and that it started just when the Fed couldn't seem to fix the repo market problem once and for all.)

Another popular theme among the replies seems to be that we should consider that the Trump administration is now going on the attack on China, saying the virus came from a Wuhan lab, though still only saying that the leak was accidental.  To my mind, this turn of events is entirely possible.  Trump often acts as the attack dog for the US establishent (e.g. starting the trade war and killing a top Iranian official.)  That is, he does things that the establishment would like to do but are afraid to.  Trump is now the fall guy for the aggressiveness.  This attack on China could be a sign that the partnership between the Western establishment and China on the virus is falling apart, and each side is implicitly threatening the other side with exposure (as China has done its own whispering that the US started the virus.)  As is often the case, when two thieves co-operate but are caught in the act, each one will blame the other.

Finally, there were a few comments about the science of all this.  I would first ask everyone to watch the videos in my links, rather than read the text.  If you still think Martenson is wrong, then let's talk.  (In the video, for example, he debunks what appears to me to be the most powerful argument so far by scientists against the lab-born theory: the publication of the a truly important virus, very similar to Coronavirus, that was supposedly found 6 years ago and supposedly natural, but only published this year, now that it becomes important to refute conspiracy theories.  He analyzes the virus' genome and shows there has been (clumsy) manipulation to provide a story, by looking at how viruses evolve their differences over time.)

Again, why would the Western media and establishment scientists so aggressively try to dismiss any theory that the virus came from a Chinese lab?  The Western establishment has always wanted to make China look bad.  Why is it protecting China at this point?

Look, we can't possibly know all or even most of the details.  We can guess at some of the major features of the true story.  All I'm saying is, let's keep an open mind.

The whole of this looks like politics. I mean politics of high place, maybe to be called international politics. We can't really understand just yet what it is. Now the city of Wuhan where the virus said to come from in China is having new cases and the city is to start a new tasting again.
China too is also accusing US for certain human immune virus. The whole story looks disjointed. What is really happening to the world

Lockdowns are the most ancient methods of combating a pandemic, since the dawn of the human civilizations.
From the ancient world to medieval and modern times, lockdowns were forced whenever a new disease appeared, sometimes in full force with the ending being the death of entire villages not from the disease but from hunger.
It's no test or reptilian plan or anything else, it's the only real defense we have against a virus, since we can't kill them all we need to stop it from multiplying and let it die out on its own, we simply don't have any other mean of protection without risking human lives. And history has thought us one something, that this is the only plan that works.


We're experiencing a new trend, nothing natural happens anymore!
No politician dies in a real car accident, no banker commits real suicide, no fire in a cake shop is accidental, not one explosion in a factory is not part of a sabotage plan. Behind everything there must be a conspiracy, an actress or a singer can't fall off the stairs like normal people do all time, she must have been pushed, a football player can't have a normal accident like hundred do, he must have been drunk or on drugs, behind everything, there is something we "the stupid ones" , "the no tinfoil imbeciles" are not seeing.

As for the country that might benefit from this...I can t find any..not even the Vatican, Palestine, or Sealand.

Remember the stupid conspiracy when the pandemic hit Iran?
It was clearly the US behind this as it hit China and Iran when it spread to the US killing thousands everybody forgot about that "masterplan".

There are no clear proof to such accusations yet many conspiracy theory occur. In my own opinion, it is quite indeed a laboratory made virus and china should be sanctioned for it but at some point, some conspiracy also tell us that USA have something to do with the said virus.

There is a lot of knowledge about this coronavirus but we have difficulty in proving it starting from conspiracy theories, intelligence analyst analysis to mystical issues.

I am of the opinion that what controls and creates the current system is very powerful, gripping, and maintaining its hegemony to preserve wealth and show who is actually in power.

Once upon a time, we extracted our gold after it was made dependent on the dollar and then made addicted to crude oil. Now the world will change its pendulum, which is a world of technology, algorithms, robots, AI by minimizing the role of humans. Lockdown is considered as one way to stop the spread of corona as an exercise or simulation of world conditions in the industrial revolution 4.0.

There are no eternal friends and foes, only eternal interests. Each party has an agenda and hitches a ride in this corona pandemic. Starting from the world financial institutions to widen its debt net, the election contestants in the United States with their respective sponsors behind them, the globalists, the nationalists, China, and even other countries. All have the opportunity to adopt their own policies.

I agree with intelligence observers that the virus was initially spread by Trump with pharmaceutical support with the agenda of weakening China, but WHO informed this to China so that the Chinese government lobbied with global pharmaceuticals with the economic trick of the 7 billion vaccine program. China wants Trump to lose in the second period, because when the ruling Republican Party of China is a strategic partner while the era of the Chinese republic is considered an enemy. Finally, the pharmacy put support in democrats.

Corona is something that is out of control by accident despite its creation by design. Above the country, there is the power of the shadow which is spread throughout the world which incidentally is the group whose wealth is equivalent to 97% of the world's population.

The revolution starts from each individual who moves together, the problem is whether we think that it is necessary to carry out a revolution, or we think, it does not matter the current system as long as we can eat.

This same Doctor with loads of credentials has also mentioned the link between 5G Networks and the gradual breaking down of people's immune systems from this technology and the mere mention of Covid-19 and 5G Networks got his videos banned on Youtube. He is also pointing fingers to Bill Gates and the US government "outsourcing" the Corona virus research to China.

I am not really into all these conspiracy theories, but someone with his qualifications and his military background makes me curious to know why he would put everything on the line to make such controversial statements. 

My question is also why a virus like this was first detected in close proximity to a lab that experimented with the Corona virus and if this was intentionally done to use "Wet markets" as an excuse to test the virus in the public. 

Also, if you need exotic wild life like bats and Pangolins for your research, without having to order them and creating a paper trail, then a "Wet market" in close proximity, would be a excellent choice for a location.. right. 

They might have researched this technology to use in other countries, but it might have backfired and it was accidentally released in their own backyard. 

As far as I understand, all of us will face changes soon. This will not begin immediately, but gradually (in the next 5-10 years). Changes will be in all areas. Authorities, countries, money and more. I think it will be very inconsistent, but in any case, it will lead to a better future. And it's not a coronovirus, because coronovirus is just the tip of the iceberg.
Most likely, 99% of people will not understand me now, but the most important thing, in my opinion, what you need to understand is that if you are on the good side, then everything will be fine for you.

There's really a possibility that the virus started at a lab. I have read somewhere before that it actually started at Wuhan lab, not at the market where they sell bats and other animals. And that they don't want to investigate further the origin of the virus. But unlike you, I don't think this would also benefit Western. Cause what I can see is that, it's China who will benefit from it. The epicenter of the virus, changed and that China is flattening the curve. You see, while almost all countries are busy battling with the virus, China can make their own movement.

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I just don't see that Western will benefit from it since they are greatly affected by the virus. This is affecting its economy badly. And I don't see it's their way to remove all the debts. The more cases will occur in the Western, the harder for them to get back what the economy has lost during the lockdown. It's much harder to believe that China was able to stabilize the spread of the virus in their country only after spreading it across the world.

Well, I don't really know much. And I don't have enough proof to support this, but if this speculation is real, then it's China who's benefitting the most.

As someone who has studied the virus itself quite extensively and helped the senior geneticists map out its genome for the production of test kits, I can say that the virus has its own merits for unusual mutations and genes but that in itself isn't sufficient to pin down the virus to underground laboratories in China. For novel viruses, we are expected to see some random fuckery in gene sequences, which SARS-CoV-2 clearly has. There are also some parts wherein the virus appeared to have been inserted with some carefully-concocted gene, but those parts were also seen in some bats carrying different strains of the said coronavirus, which rules that possibility out.

If, and if the virus was really made in the lab, governments should file a case against the laboratory in particularly who engineered it, but even independent, non-government researches funded by private firms are disagreeing to this scenario. Perhaps people are formulating different cases in their heads to favor what they think is happening. Since the economy of the world took an instant hit the moment economic lockdowns and closures were set into place, people quickly rushed to the conclusion that this is an elaborate plan to sabotage the economy and to help the superpowers do an economic reset, which isn't even happening and are even flinging them further into the debt oblivion.


They aren't trying to save China from a pitfall but rather acting logically so as not to cause panic all over the world. The last thing that you want to incite during these hard times are mass gatherings and public outrage pointed towards someone not proven of being guilty. If the Westerners are covering up China, why the hell would Trump release several derogatory remarks to them during the spread of the virus?



This is because there were only little information to work with back in February to early March about the virus and how quickly it spreads. The initial reproduction value of the virus was set at R0>3.0 which was dismissed by several research institutions and placed it to a mediocre R0>0.9 which isn't really a cause for concern for most epidemiological models. This resulted into countries issuing only guidelines for physical distancing and wearing face masks which, of course the citizens gladly disobeyed (the USA is a prime example, heh, spring breaks). Little do they know that this virus will grab them by the pussy (heh) and make things worse than it already is on other countries.

What happened to the US, Spain, Italy and other European countries wasn't an elaborate collaboration to reset the economy by deliberately spreading the virus but rather lack of preparation and their ignorance to the actual numbers re: COVID-19.


Still, this does not explain the collaboration you are mentioning that includes the West and China. Why would they inflict more problems on their already insurmountable financial problems in the first place? Heck, stimulus funds, giving aid to all citizens and frontliners while imposing closure of their country's source of profits for.. an economic reset? That does not pan out and will not work out well, amigo.

Did it happen?? Certainly no!

Are the debts wiping out from the economy? No!

Are smaller countries like Pakistan or Bangladesh getting more trapped in debt? Yes!

Are all effected countries facing economic crisis and job losses? Yes!

Are the industrial activities suffering from the virus induced lockdown? Yes!

Is black marketing of non-essential goods are on rise? Yes!

Is middle-east suffering from no/less demand of fuel? Yes!

Is there any benefit to any countries either China or the West? - I don't see any!

It's not a small circle. There are lots of non-government scientists from all over the world forming the consensus that it wasn't lab derived.
https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-scientists-think-of-the-coronavirus-was-made-in-a-lab-rumour
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-scientists-think-the-novel-coronavirus-developed-naturally-not-in-a-chinese-lab/

It's more likely the lab conspiracy theory is being used to channel people's economic anger away from their own governments, as a scapegoat.


None of this justifies economic suicide, especially when a debt deflation collapse did not appear imminent. Debt deflation caused by a pandemic endangers those political and financial elites just the same anyway. Unleashing an uncontrollable pandemic on their own populations just makes the whole affair less predictable.

This is honestly like reptile alien overlord level conspiracy theory.

I also think like you. The corona virus is thought to be an economic virus and it was born to reset the game. It sounds fictitious, but this is true, Chinese people want to create this pandemic so that the powerful European countries will lose strength and they will be more powerful when their economy comes back. earlier. This is a very dangerous game and if the governments of many countries do not solve well, it can lead to economic crisis.

That's also my speculation about this virus, according to the article I've read, the virus came from a species of bat called horseshoe bat. They say that there's really no horseshoe bat that you can see in Wuhan but the market there are selling. Maybe, the lab placed a horseshoe bat there just to experiment how the virus can transmit from one person to another.

Until now, China is still refusing about the WHO investigating their labs and researches about it. The virus originated from them so it is too obvious that they are responsible and accountable for this pandemic so they should help other country. Also their economy is not that affected, they still have a stable stock market, the question is HOW?

Maybe all of us who are affected by the virus will experience and financially recovery after this pandemic ends. The government really needs to prioritize its people its economy so that everything will go back to normal and both of that sectors will not have a hard time during the normal days.

Yes, and there were H5N1 & SARS, plus this kind of outbreak seems to occur every few years. To be fair, outbreaks occurred everywhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
Not sure if the trend will shift to China as the source of new epidemics.

@BobK71
All countries are suffering now, so the MO seems not supporting your argument.

Oh, don't you think this conspiracy theory may be more suitable on Politics and Society board?

My fertile mind is also saying a little about this virus possibly leaking unintentionally from a lab and not from actually eating a dish coming from a bat or a pangolin or whatnot. After all, the Chinese have been eating all these kinds of exotic food for a very long time.

Apparently my mind is not as fertile as yours. I don't go as far as saying this is all intentional and as a means for a financial reset. China is fast becoming a superpower. I cannot think of a reason why they have to commit an economic suicide by doing this. You have to take note that Wuhan up to this very day is still recording new infections and still economically suffering from its impacts.

The possibility becomes even more remote if you include the western countries as co-main actors in this grand scheme.

It seems to me, the virus was almost certainly made in a lab.  See the links at the bottom to Chris Martenson's analysis of the genomic sequences.  (Watch the videos.)

That said, the question remains, why have the Western media and the small circle of involved mainstream scientists (e.g. Daszak, Fauci, etc.) been covering for China and vigorously dismissing any theory that the virus came from a lab?  (For example, ZeroHedge got its Twitter account suspended just for being the first to report some Indian scientists' findings of possible genomic manipulation in the virus' creation.)

(We know that the Western mainstream media are not simple reporters of facts.  They heavily attacked Julian Assange as 'a disgusting person' when the only crime the man had committed was exposing abuses by US politicians and military, exposures that couldn't be challenged on the facts.  They also failed to report that the Swedish women who 'accused Assange of sexual assault' admitted no assault took place.  In fact, why should Julian Assange's WikiLeaks even exist?  If a leaker has explosive material, why wouldn't they go to a 'reputable' established media outlet like the New York Times or Washington Post to get it published?  There can be no doubt in my mind that the mainstream media is key ally of the Western financial-imperial system of alliances.)

There seems to be no reason why these Western entities should, with one voice, cover for China's mistaken or deliberate release of the virus, UNLESS...

The Western establishment has been working with China to develop the virus.  There is much evidence of this (again, see the videos under the links,) including Fauci's sponsorship of 'gain of function' research in past years that explored how to manipulate natural viruses and turn them into...  something like the coronavirus.  (All of this should be a matter of public record.)

As they always say, ask first, who benefits?

The answer is, both China and the West.  They both suffer from the last stages of a financial asset bubble that needs to be deflated before a disorderly bust happens.  This bust would not only result in even more economic pain than today, but also point the blame directly at the modern system, with central-bank-money at its core.  This would endanger the power and prestige of all major political and financial elites of the world.  The virus is a way to deflate the bubble, reset the system by essentially wiping out the debt, but blame the economic pain on something other than the system's design.

Further (circumstantial) evidence of a co-operation includes the fact that, somehow, all major Western countries allowed the virus to spread until it was too late for containment, and had to shut down their economies.   Also, the repo market crisis erupted in September, and the Federal Reserve seemed unable to fix it once and for all.  This suggests something deep in the financial system was already broken beyond repair.  In addition, there was a Canadian lab which had a habit of getting its materials 'stolen' by Chinese (as Canada was not subject to strict post-9/11 controls over US labs.)  Its director suddenly died on a business trip to Kenya during the outbreak in China.

For details:

https://www.peakprosperity.com/coronavirus-are-our-scientists-lying-to-us/
https://www.peakprosperity.com/more-evidence-covid-19-may-not-be-natural/