Topic: The curious case of user 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 - page 2. (Read 1329 times)

Shitposters? Lol!


I was not trying to make TF feel ashamed. I only stated a curious behavior. If he feels ashamed, that his problem, not mine. Subjectively speaking, he should feel so, but that's just my opinion.


What am I guilty of? And what scams am I shilling? Can you give me an example, please?


That's wrong. I started the topic just for this curious behavior of TF, which acts like nothing happened.


This is true, I have nothing to do with any scam which was ever done.


They who?


Trust score actually is legit and, indeed, scammers are tagged in some cases.


I, personally, know how many scams I promoted and also how many people I scammed myself: 0 (zero).


Yes, TF's story is interesting, if you're an outsider. But it must feel very bad for those which are the victims...

Just don't respond to these shitposters. If you were to get shame from somebody, it's certainly not from the OP. He's guilty or he shills the same scams he accuses you of.

The only reason of creating this thread is because you were here before he came so that he can show how good he is and that he has nothing to do with the scams that have been done before.

They want you as a showcase of negative trust to show that the trust score is legit and that scammers are being tagged in some cases. But the people whom you're talking to you just don't know how many scams they've promoted or how many people they've scammed themselves. So there's no case of defending yourself here.

Although I still found this story to be interesting

I agree. But I was just saying that scratching the past may not lead to have TF state the truth now, if he did not do it back then either...
Perhaps it were better, in this case, if we had some of the users which were scammed back then to state if they were refunded...? But I know, this is almost impossible as most of them are not active anymore.

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For some reason, this reminded me of this picture

So you admit that you had 1,000BTC? I would certainly not describe you as being "broke".I think a robust debate is good. Even if the other party is not necessarily speaking in good faith.

Let me guess, narcissistic sociopath?


There you go, that's the real TF, a scamtroll.

No.. No, not really, lol..
Maybe it would work better if they saw your “balance” in USD terms, but…
Yeah, unfortunately money is about the best way to get pretty much any girl you want..


I read all of the TF scandal years ago..


I need to refresh..

That was right after the hack. The handling around them wasn't great, particularly as CL issued loans to people and had to wait until they were repaid. Most of them were never repaid after the collapse.

IIRC, after bitfinex was hacked in 2016, you had moved ~1,000BTC in order to impress some girl you knew IRL. I believe the value of 1000BTC was worth approximately $600k at the time.[/quote]

Repayments happened throughout 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019.


Mental health issues.


It was more about writing it on the permanent blockchain.

I am not sure that this will lead anywhere... At least, anywhere toward having the scammer admit his scam He did not do it in the past and, for sure, he will not do it in the present as well. But it's interesting how he is acting inside the forum, making a post here and there, acting all naturally, like an innocent person. This is what is shocking me!

I appreciate what you and others wrote here but all the effort is in vain...

P.S.: and moving 1000BTC for impressing a girl... is that real? And if it's real... who does that? There are so many better ways of impressing girls... I am speechless!

According to your post from 2013, you told someone that you would repay someone with a balance of less than 1BTC "after larger amounts [have been repaid]".

IIRC, after bitfinex was hacked in 2016, you had moved ~1,000BTC in order to impress some girl you knew IRL. I believe the value of 1000BTC was worth approximately $600k at the time.
As suchmoon said, I believe you had trolled your customers with some song.

As I mentioned in my previous post, I think the question of if the "hack" was real or fake is a moot point. Especially so for the inputs.io case. If people were depositing money to tradefortress' business (inputs.io) with the expectation that the money would be returned on demand, I don't think the fact that x happened is any excuse to not honor that expectation.

... said the scammer.


Of course you did. (/s)


Actually yes. Are you aware that this second post in a row you made is breaking forum rules? I was expecting for such an old member, like you, to know the forum rules.


Perhaps you did not know that scamming is illegal, but haven't you also known forum rules against multiple posts in a row? Now you'll have that post deleted, as I reported it...

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I can not confirm this and I did not state this. Maybe a mod (or an old user) can help you with this information.

Sure, sure, and the other day you wanted to gamble playing heads or tails in amounts of 50 Bitcoins at a time because you were feeling a little sad.
    
Places where you can bet 50 BTC on 50/50 odds?

Either you were lying then or you are lying now, and looking at your trust page I don't believe your explanations.

I know many of the people commenting here weren't actually around back then, so let me just say that while it cannot be proved who ran with the coins from the "hack," it seems clear to me that TradeFortress did make an effort to pay people back and if he was trying to sign up for a signature campaign to help him repay more people, it is a shame that those who weren't around back then but choose to harm him anyway with negative trust ratings are actually hurting the ability for full repayment.  This attitude of wanting to leave negative trust to people who make strong efforts on behalf of this community has always dumbfounded me.  It's an attitude that has allowed those who contribute nothing to 'rise to power' in the trust network while those who are responsible for Bitcoin's early success by building use cases are demonized and forced out of the community.  

I know I already posted in this thread once detailing how I was repaid what is now a six figure sum of $ in Bitcoin by TradeFortress, but I can't stress enough how repaying this amount of money to a stranger is not something a scammer would do.  At least in my opinion.  



Broke mentality for life!  
(this post brought to you by Stake.com)

Can you confirm that the reason for their ban was because of the scam they committed?



The trust system is not moderated, I believe it's one of the reasons people act as if they have forgotten the scams. I am relatively new in this forum, if someone like me decides to attack or challenge the scammer, he might decide to ruin my trust list by giving me some red tags. As you can see, he is a DT2. So, I think because of trust abuse, that is why some people don't bother involving themselves in trust related matters.

However, there is a clear warning on his trust that will make it almost impossible for him to further engage in trading or services.

That's why you trolled everyone on your way out, because very mature LOL

What a fucking clown.

This was because Inputs.io was hacked, not because I decided to steal money belonging to my customers.


No, I didn't. I did my best to reimburse customers with the remaining balance, both small and big. Later on, thanks to buying Ethereum in the ICO, I was able to reimburse a much greater portion of creditors.


I'm still here because I didn't do anything wrong. I wouldn't have tried joining a signature campaign if I was sitting on millions of dollars of bitcoins, lol.


Hashie imploded because AMHash, who was the seller of the underlying hash rate, decided to exit scam.

I had no lines of communication with AMHash that indicated it would be a scam. Why would I choose a supplier that I knew to be a scam? I was trying to operate a legit cloud mining platform.

If anyone can recover funds from the Inputs.io hacker, or AMHash, they are welcome to 35% of all recovered proceeds (thousands and hundreds of BTC).

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Any other questions?

Absolutely idiotic post. This is from a decade ago, so let me try and remember:

mining4fun11: Person was a scammer.

MoneyPakTrader.com: I delivered exactly what he asked for, he tried to scam me for a refund and decided to intentionally fuck up the script I delivered and claim it isn't working, when it was.

starsoccer9: I delivered what he asked for, I think there was some things I wasn't able to get working, so we agreed on a mutually accepted partial refund.

webr3: Ripple whiner. Ripple is a scam, I was just exposing it.

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No I didn't, I practically paid back everyone who I could reach before I depleted all the funds.

Other notables that went to jail.

Knightmb - (Michael Brown) for the extortion of Mitt Romney https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/knightmb-on-bitcointalk-from-37106736-btc-to-mitt-romney-extortion-4547124 (account no longer with original owner)

WME - (Alexander Vinnik) was tracked down for the MtGox theft laundering because of this deleted post on bitcointalk. (external link http://archive.is/6cFcY )

MagicalTux (Mark Karpeles) for the failure of MtGox https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-history-of-mtgox-and-how-a-bitcointalk-post-caught-the-mtgox-hacker-4412667 (although I consider him more of a victim of circumstances)

Altoid / silkroad - (Ross Ulbricht) and his co-conspirators https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/silk-road-and-bitcointalk-how-it-played-a-role-in-its-rise-and-fall-4437773 (Not really a scammer but selling illegal goods and services) His opsec on Bitcointalk and another forum probably gave him away. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/silk_road-au.html

Akemashite Omedetou -  (Roman Sterlingov) - Bitcoin fog service https://darkweblive.net/bitcoin-fog-operator-arrested-in-los-angeles/

Escrow.ms (Pankaj Bhardwaj) - Credit card fraud https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-pankaj-bhardwaj-alias-escrowms-has-been-arrested-dont-escrow-him-1359865

Yankee (BitInstant) - (Charlie Shrem) - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charlie-shrem-is-scammer-watch-out-817069
He co-founded the now-defunct startup company BitInstant, and is a founding member of the Bitcoin Foundation. In 2014 he was sentenced to two years in prison for aiding and abetting the operation of an unlicensed money-transmitting business related to the Silk Road marketplace.He was released from prison in 2016. In 2017, he joined Jaxx and served as its chief operating officer, and founded cryptocurrency advisory CryptoIQ. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Shrem

Julian Assange (not a scammer or criminal - but in jail)  probably lurked on here too and Wikileaks got a mention from Satoshi himself in the now famous final quote. "WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us. "
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29280

I'm somewhat with LoyceV in this: the scams have happened very far in the past and probably before the trust system has become this important. Maybe I'm wrong, but I expect back those days one gave trust rating only if he had direct deal with the other person/account.
And most of the current active people don't know much about that, don't care that much about that... see it as "long gone". Not good, but this does happen. Politics and elections work on a similar principle, exactly because... as somebody famous said:



What I don't agree with LoyceV is about not "adding more to the pile". I've just added one more to the pile, with link to this topic.

This is a very interesting story, thanks for sharing this,


Well, at least, you are among the lucky ones, I guess...


Excepting the examples given by suchmoon, I'd also add the case of knightmb. The case was very well documented by xtraelv.


Apparently, he went to jail for trying to extort a political figure More info can be seen inside these posts of xtraelv: [1] and [2].

You have to look at TradeFortress' situation from a legal perspective.

In circa 2013, TradeFortress was running a website (Inputs.io) that offered custodial services for its customers, and something happened that resulted in Inputs.io not being able to honor customer deposits. According to TradeFortress at the time, this was because of a hack of a hosting provider they were using, and according to some community members, this was because TradeFortress decided to steal some of the money belonging to Inputs.io customers.

Regardless of the underlying root cause, it is very likely that TradeFortress had liability when Inputs.io could not honor customer deposits. This is an important detail.

Subsequent to the alleged hack, TradeFortress prioritized deposit claims of those with larger amounts owed by Inputs.io. IMO, by doing this, he lowered the likelihood of being pursued by customers -- in effect, he did not honor deposit obligations of his smaller customers (the customers who would have the least incentives to aggressively pursue him).

In any litigation, any statements you make can potentially be used against you. So pirate40 for example decided to stop posting on the forum so that anything he wrote could not be used against him in court. pirate40 ended up going to prison anyway, although, by the time his enterprise collapsed, there were no lingering questions if he was running a scam. Other scammers simply stopped using their accounts after their account was no longer able to produce income for them -- some of these scammers may still be here, operating under different names.

After Inputs.io collapsed, many months elapsed, and TradeFortress made statements on the forum that IMO reduced the likelihood of being pursued in court for deposits he did not honor. For example, TradeFortress tried to join a signature campaign, despite allegedly having millions of dollars worth of stolen coin (value at the time). I might point out that obtaining a judgment against someone with no assets will only get you a bill from your attorney.

Fast forward a year or two, there was a somewhat similar situation with another company, called hashie that was involved in cloud mining.

Based on what happened when hashie imploded, I believe it was a scam, although it is possible what happened was the result of TradeFortress' immaturity. AMhash, then the entity that hashie was reselling cloud mining contracts for, imploded very shortly after hashie imploded -- I think this probably points to TradeFortress potentially having lines of communication with AMhash that went dead before it was publically known that AMhash was imploding and TradeFortress deciding to maximize his profit from his company.

If you believe that hashie was a scam, a reasonable person might belive that Inputs.io was also a scam. In any case, it appears that TradeFortress is not able to cover edge cases of security issues.