The danger of gender inequality - page 3.

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People don't simply take a job. They apply for it. An application is really a request to the employer to make them an employee. Where is the requirement that an employer LOSE his freedom to make his own decision for whatever reason?

There are laws about hiring and firing. If an employer decides he is the kind of employer that falls under these laws, then he better do what the law says. If he doesn't, an applicant might attempt to sue him based on his breaking of one of these laws. The courts will decide.

If an employer has made his business to be outside the hiring and firing laws (there are ways to do this), then the courts will first have to decide if he followed protocols for even letting the person apply for a job. If he hasn't followed those protocols, he has pushed himself under the hiring/firing laws.

The whole thing is up to the freedom of the employer and the freedom of the applicant.

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Both gender might fit some work, in other way round, we give women certain work, and men are also best suited for certain work. Also employer also knew what he wants for his or her organization. This is where in any advert, there is needs to state all the necessary criteria. But some has already left the standard they require and they built this inequality already in their minds which we need to be careful not to go for our own self or personal interest, but what it requires and along with our good goals. Can

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Quote from: Compromise me on August 25, 2023, 05:59:04 AM

Quote from: Ursulachuks on July 06, 2023, 02:14:13 PM

Two candidates visited my office two days ago to submit their applications for the position of a health assistant. I had the honor of taking part in the interviews with them.After the interview, the candidate did very well, but the CMD chose to hire the male candidate because of his physical strength and height as the best contender for the position.He didn't even give the female applicant a chance to demonstrate her qualifications.What do you think about this?

Opportunities should give to the males because they handle all family and their duty is to work an earn money. Females duty is not good for our society because their duty should be take care of house and babies. Their duty is only maintenance of house. This is best for our society. Females should get knowledge of Quran and hadees because these give all necessary things to our society. With doing practical on Quran, we can get success because this a true message of God. Males also should get knowledge of Quran. Physically, males are strong and they deserve jobs and they are eligible for jobs. Allah make a male body strong for hard work. Doing job for money is not good for our society because it causes destruction in our society.

Some of the physical attributes are fast disappearing in the job space and the simple reason is that AL is now taking over jobs and all you need to do is get trained on how to use machines. The time we are is about knowledge and idea so if a lady has a better knowledge, idea or information more than a man, she is best qualified to occupy the job space, this is what is happening now despite the old way of life. Now, except for a few kind of jobs, the gender inequality is fast going away unfortunately for the patrilineal society that dominated the society.

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Quote from: Ursulachuks on July 06, 2023, 02:14:13 PM

Two candidates visited my office two days ago to submit their applications for the position of a health assistant. I had the honor of taking part in the interviews with them.After the interview, the candidate did very well, but the CMD chose to hire the male candidate because of his physical strength and height as the best contender for the position.He didn't even give the female applicant a chance to demonstrate her qualifications.What do you think about this?

Opportunities should give to the males because they handle all family and their duty is to work an earn money. Females duty is not good for our society because their duty should be take care of house and babies. Their duty is only maintenance of house. This is best for our society. Females should get knowledge of Quran and hadees because these give all necessary things to our society. With doing practical on Quran, we can get success because this a true message of God. Males also should get knowledge of Quran. Physically, males are strong and they deserve jobs and they are eligible for jobs. Allah make a male body strong for hard work. Doing job for money is not good for our society because it causes destruction in our society.

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While gender inequality might be a lingering topic as long as humans exist. I think all employment processes aren't biased toward gender inequality regarding some professions. Well, as much as some professions give preference to a specific gender, I still believe competence plays a role in the choice of final selection.

In the context of the CMD in this scenario, I feel his conclusions may have been inspired by experience with previous employees who once had stints in the hospital. He may have opted for the male folk because of agility and more which the female may not have.

But in all of these, some professions will always be gender sensitive and it doesn't mean the other gender isn't competent enough, it's just what the job demands. For example, ladies will always be better options in sophisticated marketing positions than men...

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Do you think life is fair? not everyone have a same chance like the others.

Inequality has been exist since you were born, it's impossible to make both male and female are equal. One has a dck and one has a pssy, it's already different, not to mention male is stronger than female based on the hormone. Life was never been fair, you need to accept it and know what you're good at to become the best of you.

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I think it pretty much depends on the society and context were women and male try to compote for the same positions, jobs and status.
There are some countries were women do not have the option to even pursue a career, but stay home and take care of the children.

While sincerely the distrimination against women in the west as occured before, it has been turned into a political point of debate rather than looking at it in a natural and unbiased way.

Ironically, countries where Islam is prominent and the Sharia law is practiced, there is no question on the role of women, they do not even apply for certain jobs or can't even travel by their own

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Quote from: Smartgoat on August 20, 2023, 01:02:27 AM

I think it depends on the type of the job. if is the type of job that has to do with strength, I think the guy will scare true. but if it's a job that needs brain, is then you will look into there qualifications.

Really differs and depends on the type of job and what type of employee that the company thinks that will suit that opening.

But if it's possible that there's no gender preference on that duty and can be done by both man and woman, they have to filter the best candidate through series of interviews for both of them.

In the end, this isn't just a matter of gender but also on how the companies are picky and choosy with their next hiree.

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Half the reason for all the 'trans' people is, they want to be able to do something that people of the other gender do. The danger of this is that you can't really do a good job of making people into the other gender. People really need to sit down and simply accept their gender position in life.

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Quote from: Smartgoat on August 20, 2023, 01:02:27 AM

Gender shouldn't be a concern here. I think if Mr A and B applied for a certain job both should be given equal chances to participate because both saw the vacancy before applying. With their performances you can pick without sentiment and gender preference.

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I think it depends on the type of the job. if is the type of job that has to do with strength, I think the guy will scare true. but if it's a job that needs brain, is then you will look into there qualifications.

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Quote from: Ursulachuks on July 06, 2023, 02:14:13 PM

Two candidates visited my office two days ago to submit their applications for the position of a health assistant. I had the honor of taking part in the interviews with them.After the interview, the candidate did very well, but the CMD chose to hire the male candidate because of his physical strength and height as the best contender for the position.He didn't even give the female applicant a chance to demonstrate her qualifications.What do you think about this?

Opportunities should give to the males because they handle all family and their duty is to work an earn money. Females duty is not good for our society because their duty should be take care of house and babies. Their duty is only maintenance of house. This is best for our society. Females should get knowledge of Quran and hadees because these give all necessary things to our society. With doing practical on Quran, we can get success because this a true message of God. Males also should get knowledge of Quran. Physically, males are strong and they deserve jobs and they are eligible for jobs. Allah make a male body strong for hard work. Doing job for money is not good for our society because it causes destruction in our
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What's the point of having a poll if the answers are the same, or too vague to even know what the options mean?

Is it fair to give a physically demanding job to a small MAN who can't preform the duties required of the job, and expect his collogues to pick up the slack? If you answered no, then you're thinking clearly and without bias.

If I changed the word "MAN" to "WOMAN" in the statement above, would your answer be any different? If so, then you're a bigoted activist, and not at all interested in "equality" but some corrupt notion of "equity."

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There are certain jobs that best fit a male,especially when the job will be tedious and needs physical strength to get it done. The CMD has already kept that position for a male and that was why he gave it to the guy and not the lady.

If it is a secretary job,do you think that he will give it to the guy,I doubt that. So don't see it as gender inequality. Since you where also part of the interview, why after the guy has been given the job,you didn't ask the CMD what happened that made him not give the lady the chance to prove herself. Maybe,you would have learnt from him because there must be a reason for it.

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We are forgetting one major thing. What if the employer wasn't looking for the most qualified person for the job? What if the employer was looking for a medium qualified person who he could train to be better? Why might he do that? A personally trained employee might become, ultimately, as good as the qualified woman, but way more loyal to the company.

How did the employer get into the position of being an employer? He got there because he had something on the ball thinking-wise. If any of us advised the employer that he should have hired the woman, okay. But if the employer was making a mistake this time by NOT hiring her, don't we all reject good advice from others at times?

What this is all about is employer freedom. Sometimes such freedom includes the right to make a mistake. None of us likes to be dictated to, if we are employers or not. We all operate using logic, hunches, random roll-the-dice or coin-tosses now and again. We all suffer from our mistakes, and we all are benefited from our wisdom. But the point is, we are free to make our own choices. Why shouldn't the employer be free in choosing who he hires and who he doesn't hire?

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Quote from: Ursulachuks on July 06, 2023, 02:14:13 PM

Two candidates visited my office two days ago to submit their applications for the position of a health assistant. I had the honor of taking part in the interviews with them.After the interview, the candidate did very well, but the CMD chose to hire the male candidate because of his physical strength and height as the best contender for the position.He didn't even give the female applicant a chance to demonstrate her qualifications.What do you think about this?

To me that is a bad signal, and with the the human resource department really has a lot of work to be done bexausutheir will recruit a lot of staff without any competency or capabilities for the job since the guy at the decision-making end has blatantly refused to hire based on qualification but adopting sentiments.

I don't know what the nature of the job, is but if it is not a physically involving job, the employers should have hired the female if she is most qualified for the role.

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Quote from: Ursulachuks on July 06, 2023, 02:14:13 PM

Two candidates visited my office two days ago to submit their applications for the position of a health assistant. I had the honor of taking part in the interviews with them.After the interview, the candidate did very well, but the CMD chose to hire the male candidate because of his physical strength and height as the best contender for the position.He didn't even give the female applicant a chance to demonstrate her qualifications.What do you think about this?

This has nothing to do with gender inequality in my opinion. They both had interview with the CMD and have examined them both. If the work is for only one person and the male candidate has extra qualifications for the job because of his physical strength and ability then the work should go to him. Wanting to get the experience of the female candidate will only give are a false hope of being accepted, and if she doesn’t do well, she can still later be sacked. I think this is a fair interview and the male candidate should be the right person for the job if physical strength and height is amongst the criteria of getting the job.

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Quote from: Ursulachuks on July 06, 2023, 02:14:13 PM

Two candidates visited my office two days ago to submit their applications for the position of a health assistant. I had the honor of taking part in the interviews with them.After the interview, the candidate did very well, but the CMD chose to hire the male candidate because of his physical strength and height as the best contender for the position.He didn't even give the female applicant a chance to demonstrate her qualifications.What do you think about this?

Are you talking about gender inequality in general sense or base on job specifications only. Some job roles are suitable to a particular gender. No right thinking employer will employ a beautiful female model in a role that requires strength and agility. He needs to employ a muscular man and I see no gender inequality issue there.

But where it is very obvious that a particular person was rejected or prevented from doing something simply because his/her gender despite the fact that they can actually perform that role, then such excesses should be checked.

If people are prevented from doing what they love or know how to do best, they might become mentally, socially and morally paralysed and rendered incapacitated.

I know some will say the man and the woman can never be equal but hey! Everyone should be given a chance to grow normally without any fear of victimisation or oppression.

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Quote from: Ursulachuks on July 06, 2023, 02:14:13 PM

Two candidates visited my office two days ago to submit their applications for the position of a health assistant. I had the honor of taking part in the interviews with them.After the interview, the candidate did very well, but the CMD chose to hire the male candidate because of his physical strength and height as the best contender for the position.He didn't even give the female applicant a chance to demonstrate her qualifications.What do you think about this?

You have already stated that both of them performed well in the interview, but the male applicant was granted the opportunity due to his physical strength, which I am sure is part of the physical criterion in addition to qualification.

If the female candidate possesses such abilities, she should have been given the opportunity, based on the circumstances. I don't believe there was any unfairness in this case because you confirmed that the male candidate possessed some qualities that the female applicant lacked.

We have many roles that should be held by men but are being run or controlled by women owing to whatever influence they have in that position, not because men cannot do the job.

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