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Quote from: Hispo on June 30, 2024, 09:45:57 PM

If democracy is truly at risk, then why go with an adoption like Biden as candidate?
Either Democracy is not truly on the ballot or they(his handlers) believe their work positions are more important than the loss of democracy in
the United States.

Because it's nowhere near as simple as you (and many others) are making it out to be. If Biden dropped out now, Trump would most likely win.

First of all, they would need to replace Biden: with whom? No Democrat in the USA has anything close to the name recognition as Biden (except for Obama, who cannot be president again constitutionally).

Next, the whole party would have to agree on the replacement. In these elections everybody focuses on the 5% of voters who might actually change their mind in the next four months and swing the election. But Biden already has the first 45%--but would some other new candidate?

And while Biden has his issues, Republicans would rev up their media to come after the new candidate--as would Putin and Xi--and hence all kinds of new "revelations" would come to light about the new candidate just like they have for Biden (viz. all of the "Hunter Biden" baloney).

If Biden himself and the people around him were truly thinking 100% exclusively about the good of the country, I don't think they would have an easy decision to make at all.

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Quote from: paxmao on June 30, 2024, 07:13:32 PM

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Quote from: Hispo on June 29, 2024, 09:14:22 PM

Ironically, the destiny of the nation in this case does not seem to be at the reach of the hands of the people of the United States, but rather in the hands of the Biden team and the people who handle Biden. You gotta understand that those who are part of the team of the president do not want to end up losing their jobs, and that is exactly what happens if a new player enters the game and replace Joe.

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It is not even nearly as simple as that. There are donors to please and many candidates of the democrats that will jump on Joe if they risking their sits because of a fucked election.

On the money issue, it is much more difficult to convince the democrat supporters to chip in the cash if they see a candidate that does not seem to be able to make a few coherent sentences.

Donors in the end have a political agenda or reason to donate money to the candidate and that agenda is either way gonna get fulfilled, regardless of the cognitive state of the president, that is what aidees and the handlers are for, in the case of Joe Biden, at least...
Biden does not have a money problem for his campaign, he has accumulated much before this lackluster debate he participated in, the question is whether the democrat party is willing to go and bet all of their political discourse about democracy being in the ballot or not. If democracy is truly at risk, then why go with an adoption like Biden as candidate?
Either Democracy is not truly on the ballot or they(his handlers) believe their work positions are more important than the loss of democracy in the United States.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on June 30, 2024, 05:56:10 PM

Quote from: Hispo on June 29, 2024, 09:14:22 PM

Ironically, the destiny of the nation in this case does not seem to be at the reach of the hands of the people of the United States, but rather in the hands of the Biden team and the people who handle Biden. You gotta understand that those who are part of the team of the president do not want to end up losing their jobs, and that is exactly what happens if a new player enters the game and replace Joe.

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It is not even nearly as simple as that. There are donors to please and many candidates of the democrats that will jump on Joe if they risking their sits because of a fucked election.

On the money issue, it is much more difficult to convince the democrat supporters to chip in the cash if they see a candidate that does not seem to be able to make a few coherent sentences.

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Quote from: Hispo on June 29, 2024, 09:14:22 PM

Ironically, the destiny of the nation in this case does not seem to be at the reach of the hands of the people of the United States, but rather in the hands of the Biden team and the people who handle Biden. You gotta understand that those who are part of the team of the president do not want to end up losing their jobs, and that is exactly what happens if a new player enters the game and replace Joe.

Perhaps that's the loophole that ought to be amended.

I don't trust politicians anyway. Most of them are just the same, just there to enrich themselves with Tax payers' money, and the whole thing just rotates around them just being puppets with the real owners pulling the shots behind the scenes. With the condition Joe Biden is in, anyone can easily see how this happens.

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Debate, in debate participants are expected to showcase convincing facts to earn marks or praises, and not delusionary moves as Triumph did during his debate with Biden.

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The democrats have a large pool of candidates, several of them governors that have been successful in swing states, are between 50 and 60 and would make very good candidates. It is nearly impossible to recover your public image after a debate like this - even for people who would not ever vote Republican, this may be just to much to bear.

Time for a change. I hope the democrats understand clearly and quickly that ANYONE with a decent background and able to debate can put Trump's lies where they belong and show him as the little Grumpy Grandpa with tales of starts to which he never travelled, glories that he never achieved and promises that he will never make real.

Trump will not foot the bill of his fantasies - the world will - ourselves and our children, if the dems fail to realise.

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Quote from: BitGoba on June 28, 2024, 04:43:52 AM

I haven't watched the debate yet. Did they mention Bitcoin?

I haven't looked at the whole thing in a self-contained way, although bitcoin is not mentioned here but they are partially related to bitcoin. And what the current Trump is doing is always childish.

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Quote from: malayacheremsha on June 30, 2024, 02:15:24 AM

Therefore, it’s high time for him to rest, but are there any worthy candidates to replace him?

Any that have actually beaten Trump in an election or even a debate? Nope.

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Quote from: darkangel11 on June 29, 2024, 04:10:12 PM

Biden is a weak old man that makes the US look weak. That's harsh, I know, but a weak leader simply makes all of you Americans weak.
Let's put the views aside for a moment. A guy like DeSantis has presence and how a president should look. At least that's how I imagine a US president. He should be young, sharp, talkative, be able to move the crowd, have strength to be at conferences and meetings. Be able to fly around the world and talk to people. He also has a good looking wife Wink

Therefore, it’s high time for him to rest, but are there any worthy candidates to replace him?

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Quote from: DeathAngel on June 29, 2024, 04:49:57 AM

Biden needs to step down or somebody needs to pull him out of this race, it is doing neither him nor the Democrats any good. Regardless of what you think of Trump, the most powerful country in the world can not be led by an old man who doesn’t know what the hell is going on around him.

Will never happen, both sides are too invested in their candidates at this point. Even TIME magazine was making fun of Biden on the front cover.

The time to defeat Trump was in the RNC primary, but without using any expletives, let's just say that his opposition were all.... cats.

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Quote from: JeromeTash on June 29, 2024, 05:53:08 PM

I watched part of the debate and I asked myself, How did the "great" nation end up in such a mess. Out of millions of people across, are those the only two that have the vision to run for presidency or lead the Country?

Not that I am shocked about politicians, but I expected a much worthier challenger from both camps. Biden is done, you can't fight nature. The earlier they accept and rolled out the way forward, the better.

Ironically, the destiny of the nation in this case does not seem to be at the reach of the hands of the people of the United States, but rather in the hands of the Biden team and the people who handle Biden. You gotta understand that those who are part of the team of the president do not want to end up losing their jobs, and that is exactly what happens if a new player enters the game and replace Joe.
I don't know about you, but the fact Barack Obama had to come up and defend Biden dating he is okey and he simply had a bad night could be considered a red flag. A strong candidate would not even need to have someone like Obama backing his back... On the other hand, Trump is not in good terms with the former vice president of the party and yet, he has managed to strip the chances of becoming president from Pence himself.

Among the 300 million people of the USA, I am sure there are some people who would feel definitely do a better job than these two would, but personal ambitions will prevail in the end, it seems, instead of what it is the best for the country.

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I watched part of the debate and I asked myself, How did the "great" nation end up in such a mess. Out of millions of people across, are those the only two that have the vision to run for presidency or lead the Country?

Not that I am shocked about politicians, but I expected a much worthier challenger from both camps. Biden is done, you can't fight nature. The earlier they accept and rolled out the way forward, the better.

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If Biden had a "great" debate and made Trump look like an idiot, as well as a criminal (which he actually did do), would the polls be any different? I don't think so.

Almost all voters have already made up their mind, and for the tiny few who haven't, it will simply depend on their source of news in the next few months.

Put it another way, about one half of the voters know Trump is a criminal and know he bedded two porn stars before the last election while his (nude model) wife was at home with his child. And then he committed multiple felonies in order to cover it up before the election, a crime which, had he not committed, he would have lost the election.

And Republican voters don't care. Trump is promising to make abortion illegal in all 50 states. Nothing else matters to Trump's voters.

So if they don't care about that, then whatever Biden looks like isn't going to matter to them either. Biden could be Abraham Lincoln and Trump's voters wouldn't care--the polls would be exactly where they are.

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Quote from: PhillipDe78 on June 28, 2024, 08:35:19 AM

I have the impression that the Democratic Party is faced with two options: either to continue with Biden and risk losing the election, or to urgently change candidates.

If Democrats still want Joe Biden to be its presidential candidate, then they have a whole lot of work to do. Currency pro-Democrats news outlets like CNN have started engaging in damage control. They had to show Biden's today's rally in the battleground state of North Carolina where he was full of life. He was fluent and energetic and rejected the call for him to step aside. Biden acknowledged that his age is affecting him negatively but he said he is better than Trump because he is truthful.

Biden still has more opportunities to show Americans that he deserves another four years. After all Barack Obama didn't do well in his first debate but came back smoking in subsequent ones. With his performance in the yesterday's debate, democrats have given Republicans more grounds or points. They will now use this woeful performance to campaign that Biden is not fit to be president. It is also important to state that it will be better to vote for an old man than to give your vote to a liar.

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Biden is a weak old man that makes the US look weak. That's harsh, I know, but a weak leader simply makes all of you Americans weak.
Let's put the views aside for a moment. A guy like DeSantis has presence and how a president should look. At least that's how I imagine a US president. He should be young, sharp, talkative, be able to move the crowd, have strength to be at conferences and meetings. Be able to fly around the world and talk to people. He also has a good looking wife Wink

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Not a good performance from Biden. Seemed very confused throughout, constantly losing his train of thought in between the rehearsed lines, and bizarre facial expressions with his mouth gaping open.

He needs to step aside even if its a logistical nightmare for the democrats. Perhaps that's why his campaign suggested they have a debate so early. Gives time for an exit strategy for Biden if things didn't go well.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on June 29, 2024, 04:49:57 AM

Biden needs to step down or somebody needs to pull him out of this race, it is doing neither him nor the Democrats any good. Regardless of what you think of Trump, the most powerful country in the world can not be led by an old man who doesn’t know what the hell is going on around him.

He simply disgraced all Democrats. It seems to me that these debates were a way to besiege the Democrats and bring down their ratings.

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I watched the whole debate, not sitting there paying attention all the time, but I put it on my mobile phone, watched it for a while and then kept listening to it while I was doing things. Trump was in his stride and showing much more energy and clarity than Biden, though obviously he's not going to convince many millions of voters who don't buy into him or the policies he plans to make. Biden, however, has been widely acknowledged by all to be unfit, and the best the Democratic party could do is replace him, as has been mentioned, but as I understand it, if he doesn't want to, they won't be able to replace him. Without wishing him any personal ill will, perhaps the best thing that could happen to the Democratic party is that one more of Biden's health problems will force him to resign.

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Biden needs to step down or somebody needs to pull him out of this race, it is doing neither him nor the Democrats any good. Regardless of what you think of Trump, the most powerful country in the world can not be led by an old man who doesn’t know what the hell is going on around him.

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Quote from: Vod on June 28, 2024, 06:52:49 PM

Quote from: paxmao on June 28, 2024, 06:14:31 PM

Why not before?

Good question! It was very important, so he probably was not able to. It could have been something as simple as not sleeping due to anxiety, but it's too little too late for him. If Biden wants to see the US continue as a nation, he needs to call in Michelle.

Edit: be.open - many people think the same! https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/presidential-debate-biden-trump-06-28-24#h_8e4de25037b4d5fb9a426e2fa9c03921

For Democrats, this is clearly the best option if they want to stay in power. The first black woman president, quite in the spirit of the general agenda.

ps Barack Obama will then have a unique chance to become first lady. Grin

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