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Topic: The Ethereum Paradox - page 4. (Read 99876 times)

legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
June 20, 2016, 02:18:26 PM

Actually making the change now without citing the date of effect can be construed as fraudulent activity to suppress the evidence of a crime after the fact.

Ridiculous.

First, Eric is a Bitcoin Core Developer , not an ethereum one, thus is merely doing a service to educate the general community.

Secondly, Github keeps a clear history, thus any lawyers can still clearly see the transition and prosecute those like Tual or other ETh devs who have falsely lied or misrepresented their product to investors.

Anyone with common sense knows that their is no possibility to cover up or suppress this type of evidence.


Without siting this is a change then it is assumed that it has always been worded as such, not everyone knows about the workings of Git. This change can only be held to from the change date forward. And is possibly not applicable to those that already hold "Gas".
legendary
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June 20, 2016, 11:26:32 AM

Actually making the change now without citing the date of effect can be construed as fraudulent activity to suppress the evidence of a crime after the fact.

Ridiculous.

First, Eric is a Bitcoin Core Developer , not an ethereum one, thus is merely doing a service to educate the general community.

Secondly, Github keeps a clear history, thus any lawyers can still clearly see the transition and prosecute those like Tual or other ETh devs who have falsely lied or misrepresented their product to investors.

Anyone with common sense knows that their is no possibility to cover up or suppress this type of evidence.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
June 20, 2016, 11:14:15 AM
More accurate meta description is updated. The previous description was so inaccurate it borders on criminal negligence and fraud!

https://github.com/ethereum/ethereum-org/pull/264/files?diff=split



Thank you Eric Lombrozo, you are an asset to our and Eth investor community!

Actually making the change now without citing the date of effect can be construed as fraudulent activity to suppress the evidence of a crime after the fact.
legendary
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June 20, 2016, 10:30:46 AM
More accurate meta description is updated. The previous description was so inaccurate it borders on criminal negligence and fraud!

https://github.com/ethereum/ethereum-org/pull/264/files?diff=split



Thank you Eric Lombrozo, you are an asset to our and Eth investor community!
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
June 20, 2016, 10:17:26 AM
As we warned, Ethereum's design broke Nash equilibrium.

I don't think it's funny, it's savvy. A coder found an exploit and took advantage of it. Let's stop this good samaritan bullshit, if you had 3M ether you would travel, do anything you wanted really. You wouldn't have an aristocratic sense to return it, lol.

I would return them...

I would return them too.

That is because you n00bs don't understand that when you break Nash equilibrium, then you destroy your block chain forever:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15292630
hv_
legendary
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Clean Code and Scale
June 20, 2016, 08:37:07 AM

Sometimes you cannot say it often enough.... hope it helps this time.
hv_
legendary
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Clean Code and Scale
June 20, 2016, 08:32:28 AM
Paradox:

DAO was NOT hacked, rather smart contracted.

Known public before:


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-dao-fail-1504662


The flaw is in the EVM (huh?):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/there-was-no-dao-hack-1516067


And manny people still think DAO and/or ETH can Hype further....
legendary
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June 19, 2016, 03:00:35 AM

Like the dude said ---  Crypto breaks all the rules.....
legendary
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Flippin' burgers since 1163.
legendary
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June 19, 2016, 02:46:55 AM
One of the interesting side effects here, is that while regular contracts need lawyers to check them for loopholes, now smart contracts need coders-hackers-security specialists to check them for code exploits...

Are you saying that there's no such thing as a "free ride?"

 Grin
legendary
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legendary
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June 17, 2016, 10:38:51 PM
I understand you want to enforce some self-regulation and discipline in altcoins, but please note I think that regulation is self-defeating. We can agree to disagree. I am an anarchist.

I'm an anarchist as well, and never mentioned or would advocate for regulation. People should have the freedom to make mistakes or lie to others and I should have the freedom to call them out on it and warn others.

Ok cool. Smiley

To clarify that was not me writing on a sock puppet, but reading it I thought it was Smiley
legendary
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June 17, 2016, 10:25:32 PM
One of the interesting side effects here, is that while regular contracts need lawyers to check them for loopholes, now smart contracts need coders-hackers-security specialists to check them for code exploits...
sr. member
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June 17, 2016, 08:15:57 PM
I understand you want to enforce some self-regulation and discipline in altcoins, but please note I think that regulation is self-defeating. We can agree to disagree. I am an anarchist.

I'm an anarchist as well, and never mentioned or would advocate for regulation. People should have the freedom to make mistakes or lie to others and I should have the freedom to call them out on it and warn others.

Ok cool. Smiley
legendary
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June 17, 2016, 08:14:21 PM
I understand you want to enforce some self-regulation and discipline in altcoins, but please note I think that regulation is self-defeating. We can agree to disagree. I am an anarchist.

I'm an anarchist as well, and never mentioned or would advocate for regulation. People should have the freedom to make mistakes or lie to others and I should have the freedom to call them out on it and warn others.
sr. member
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June 17, 2016, 08:03:21 PM
Just because Tual can't code worth a shit doesn't mean the DAO as a concept is dead.

Sure , DAO's and smart contracts in general are fine to research and test  (not "Th DAO"), but they are also incredibly difficult to execute and find use cases for so I am a bit skeptical when people create ICO scams and crowdfund for these toys. Like bitcoin, people should create working concepts first and than allow the market to determine the value afterwords.

Okay I agree that pooling $168 million into one DAO (on 2000 lines of unproven Sol code) was ridiculously risky.

Not just risky but it likely involves some unethical sociopaths dishonestly pumping the hell out of this without any consideration of the consequences.

My theory is it's the Millennials, i.e. generational cultural differences.

I am thinking they just get really excited and rush in.

Sociopath seems too mean-spirited. I understand you want to enforce some self-regulation and discipline in altcoins, but please note I think that regulation is self-defeating. We can agree to disagree. I am an anarchist.

What you seeing now is the real me. I was trying to be someone I wasn't, I guess to appease others.

Sorry I am really a minanarchist at heart, bordering on full anarchist.

...my internal compass throughout my life, has always been non-interventionalist...



We should know by now that ICO's are unacceptable in our space with the amount of failures. Even if Ethereum initially had noble intentions the vary nature of the ICO makes the probabilities of a failure more likely due to maligning the incentives.

Even now Vitalik has to be reminded of his conflict of interest in the HF he's advocating. It is really sad as many of these "projects" may be 419s or indistinguishable from AFF.

Yeah the insiders shouldn't control everything. But that was what a DAO was supposed to fix. Lol.
legendary
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June 17, 2016, 07:51:07 PM
Just because Tual can't code worth a shit doesn't mean the DAO as a concept is dead.

Sure , DAO's and smart contracts in general are fine to research and test  (not "Th DAO"), but they are also incredibly difficult to execute and find use cases for so I am a bit skeptical when people create ICO scams and crowdfund for these toys. Like bitcoin, people should create working concepts first and than allow the market to determine the value afterwords.

Okay I agree that pooling $168 million into one DAO (on 2000 lines of unproven Sol code) was ridiculously risky.

Not just risky but it likely involves some unethical sociopaths dishonestly pumping the hell out of this without any consideration of the consequences. We should know by now that ICO's are unacceptable in our space with the amount of failures. Even if Ethereum initially had noble intentions the vary nature of the ICO makes the probabilities of a failure more likely due to maligning the incentives.

Even now Vitalik has to be reminded of his conflict of interest in the HF he's advocating. It is really sad as many of these "projects" may be 419s or indistinguishable from AFF.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
June 17, 2016, 07:47:24 PM
Just because Tual can't code worth a shit doesn't mean the DAO as a concept is dead.

Sure , DAO's and smart contracts in general are fine to research and test  (not "Th DAO"), but they are also incredibly difficult to execute and find use cases for so I am a bit skeptical when people create ICO scams and crowdfund for these toys. Like bitcoin, people should create working concepts first and than allow the market to determine the value afterwords.

Okay I agree that pooling $168 million into one DAO (on 2000 lines of unproven Sol code) was ridiculously risky.
legendary
Activity: 994
Merit: 1035
June 17, 2016, 07:46:03 PM
Just because Tual can't code worth a shit doesn't mean the DAO as a concept is dead.

Sure , DAO's and smart contracts in general are fine to research and test  (not "Th DAO"), but they are also incredibly difficult to execute and find use cases for so I am a bit skeptical when people create ICO scams and crowdfund for these toys. Like bitcoin, people should create working concepts first and than allow the market to determine the value afterwords.
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