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sr. member
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Crypto X Change
Considering the claim of 'ethical' in relation to the exchange run by Armitt family, I thought I'd link this here which seems to question ethics maybe: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.604783

Mizerydearia - Ken bought those domains for Dave, so they're under a family domain account. Crypto X Change, as an organization, is not involved in anything "witcoin" related.

Please handle any issues or concerns directly with Dave.

Thanks,
-Crypto X Change
hero member
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Considering the claim of 'ethical' in relation to the exchange run by Armitt family, I thought I'd link this here which seems to question ethics maybe: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.604783

response to below: okay, my apologies
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What Exchange do you currently use and recommend JonHind?


None. I traded a lot on MtGox, but pulled out after the hacks and when MtGox continued to advertise on Bruce's show.

All my remaining bitcoins have been stored on an offline USB stick since then, and they will remain there until I find an exchange that has solid performance and accountability. Tradehill is looking good so far, but I'm waiting until the reported chargebacks start biting before I consider using the site.

I'm sorry if I sounded negative towards you. My words were more a warning to potential users of your site to not invest a cent until you have provided sufficient documentation and reassurances. Until that happens, everything you have written is just words. Words are meaningless.

I wish you the best of luck.

I can sell you cotton wool for bitcoins if you want, so you can wrap yourself up it it and protect yourself from the frightening world that's waiting out there for you.
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Wat
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Crypto X Changer will change the future of Bitcoin Trading, Buying, Selling and Bitcoin Exchanges in general allowing for fast simple transactions and investments for users of any level of computer ability.

Crypto X Changer has so many features, never yet seen in the Bitcoin World, we cannot give details until the Exchange is Launched as we have spent and invested so much time in market research, research and development and massive infrastructure. Crypto X Changer is an Australian Owned and Opperated Registered Company.

There are so many features that the current Bitcoin Community will enjoy and also many features to enhance others that have not yet discovered Bitcoin to join the revolution with absolute minimum technical knowledge skills or abilities. Our aim is to be not only the largest world wide exchange but the best, by providing around the clock support, assistance and features we cannot mention until our Launch day in September. Be prepared to be excited! We will also have other new Digital Currencies added to our exchange as they become available.

Please note we will not be disclosing any of our additional & special features until our official Launch Day. We have many unique features that are not yet in the marketplace.


Somebody pass me the Jerkins.

If you would have spent $50 for a professional copywriter, I wouldn't be raising my red flag. It may pass the smell test for the average Joe, but for this community, I think not.

Personally, I would have written it in E-Prime.



Thanks for the feedback Phinneus. Getting advice prior to a site launching is invaluable.

Would a cookie for everyone who points out bugs and spelling mistakes be a good thing ? No one's time is free after all.



My bad, BitcoinMedia. I thought the landing page was their homepage, and opted to not visit their other pages which, now I learn, there weren't any. Therefore, I admit I passed premature judgement. But--I still feel it important that time is taken to have well-written copy. I'm not very good at writing, but recognize a poor writing style when I read it. I'm sure that a professional writer, like evoorhees, can even tell the ball park age of a writer simply by reading their copy.

I look forward to this launch and truly wish them well.

Bruno



Thanks for admitting that. Yes I agree that well written copy is important too. Thats why I corrected it for them and they posted it up there. Should be more happening very shortly. Evoorhees will be getting a pm so he can write copy as well lol.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
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Crypto X Changer will change the future of Bitcoin Trading, Buying, Selling and Bitcoin Exchanges in general allowing for fast simple transactions and investments for users of any level of computer ability.

Crypto X Changer has so many features, never yet seen in the Bitcoin World, we cannot give details until the Exchange is Launched as we have spent and invested so much time in market research, research and development and massive infrastructure. Crypto X Changer is an Australian Owned and Opperated Registered Company.

There are so many features that the current Bitcoin Community will enjoy and also many features to enhance others that have not yet discovered Bitcoin to join the revolution with absolute minimum technical knowledge skills or abilities. Our aim is to be not only the largest world wide exchange but the best, by providing around the clock support, assistance and features we cannot mention until our Launch day in September. Be prepared to be excited! We will also have other new Digital Currencies added to our exchange as they become available.

Please note we will not be disclosing any of our additional & special features until our official Launch Day. We have many unique features that are not yet in the marketplace.


Somebody pass me the Jerkins.

If you would have spent $50 for a professional copywriter, I wouldn't be raising my red flag. It may pass the smell test for the average Joe, but for this community, I think not.

Personally, I would have written it in E-Prime.



Thanks for the feedback Phinneus. Getting advice prior to a site launching is invaluable.

Would a cookie for everyone who points out bugs and spelling mistakes be a good thing ? No one's time is free after all.



My bad, BitcoinMedia. I thought the landing page was their homepage, and opted to not visit their other pages which, now I learn, there weren't any. Therefore, I admit I passed premature judgement. But--I still feel it important that time is taken to have well-written copy. I'm not very good at writing, but recognize a poor writing style when I read it. I'm sure that a professional writer, like evoorhees, can even tell the ball park age of a writer simply by reading their copy.

I look forward to this launch and truly wish them well.

Bruno

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Wat
What Exchange do you currently use and recommend JonHind?


None. I traded a lot on MtGox, but pulled out after the hacks and when MtGox continued to advertise on Bruce's show.

All my remaining bitcoins have been stored on an offline USB stick since then, and they will remain there until I find an exchange that has solid performance and accountability. Tradehill is looking good so far, but I'm waiting until the reported chargebacks start biting before I consider using the site.

I'm sorry if I sounded negative towards you. My words were more a warning to potential users of your site to not invest a cent until you have provided sufficient documentation and reassurances. Until that happens, everything you have written is just words. Words are meaningless.

I wish you the best of luck.

What would you consider sufficient documentation?
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Crypto X Changer is a private Australian PTY LTD company

Awesome! Buying coins in Australia has been fairly difficult recently. I hope you can make the process less painful for us Aussies.

Good luck with your launch!
sr. member
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Crypto X Change
What Exchange do you currently use and recommend JonHind?


None. I traded a lot on MtGox, but pulled out after the hacks and when MtGox continued to advertise on Bruce's show.

All my remaining bitcoins have been stored on an offline USB stick since then, and they will remain there until I find an exchange that has solid performance and accountability. Tradehill is looking good so far, but I'm waiting until the reported chargebacks start biting before I consider using the site.

I'm sorry if I sounded negative towards you. My words were more a warning to potential users of your site to not invest a cent until you have provided sufficient documentation and reassurances. Until that happens, everything you have written is just words. Words are meaningless.

I wish you the best of luck.

Hi JonHind,

Within the next 14 Days you will see our Exchange open to the public, you will be pleasantly surprised. We look forward to everyone's comments once we Open to the Pubic.

Thanks JonHind
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What Exchange do you currently use and recommend JonHind?


None. I traded a lot on MtGox, but pulled out after the hacks and when MtGox continued to advertise on Bruce's show.

All my remaining bitcoins have been stored on an offline USB stick since then, and they will remain there until I find an exchange that has solid performance and accountability. Tradehill is looking good so far, but I'm waiting until the reported chargebacks start biting before I consider using the site.

I'm sorry if I sounded negative towards you. My words were more a warning to potential users of your site to not invest a cent until you have provided sufficient documentation and reassurances. Until that happens, everything you have written is just words. Words are meaningless.

I wish you the best of luck.
sr. member
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Crypto X Change
All people are asking for is a bit of accountability and evidence as to who is behind the exchange. It is only fair given the repetitive scams that crop up all the time.

Until such evidence exists, I would not recommend sharing a cent with any company like this.

JonHind,

As we have mentioned many times before, we will have all information about our company listed on our website, we will also be actively public with interviews so people can get to know us. We have already a number of interviews that have been booked.

We understand the negativity shown by all of these previous Bitcoin Scams, we are The Ethical Exchange where there is transparency and no funny business.
All of our business practices, our funds in and out of the exchange have been dealt with by professionals, we have not spared a cent anywhere with our Exchange, and we are here for the long run.

Our Servers, Software, Security and everything that completes our Exchange is world class and nothing has been spared for the safety of our clients and our company.

What Exchange do you currently use and recommend JonHind?

Thank You.
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All people are asking for is a bit of accountability and evidence as to who is behind the exchange. It is only fair given the repetitive scams that crop up all the time.

Until such evidence exists, I would not recommend sharing a cent with any company like this.
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Wat
They've posted in the other thread that their launch will probably be delayed until October.  Until they post basic business information about themselves and who's behind the company, you'd be insane to deal with them no matter how many buzzwords they use on their website.

They havent launched yet. Untill they do the only thing that you can call it is a landing page.

People need to leave off the calls of "scam" and "conspiracy" for every new site that arrives.

Unless those complaining about it so loudly are paid by the competition of course. Now theres a conspiracy for you.

 Smiley

Asking for the registration details of a business which claims to be registered in Australia is hardly calling them a scam. It's information which they should be disclosing in advance if they want to establish pre-launch credibility and which they're legally required to disclose the moment they start offering goods or services to the public.

They've made an unsupported claim about being a Pty Ltd company.  The onus is on them to provide the information which allows their potential users to verify that claim.  There are no existing registrations which preclude them from registering Crypto X Changer as either a company name or a business name and they can't legally trade under that name without doing one or the other.  If they're going to claim some kind of ethical high ground then they need to back that up with verifiable facts.  Recent registrations for which I can find records are a company called International Bitcoin Exchange Pty Ltd which was registered on 20 June 2011 and Australian Bitcoin Exchange which was registered as a business name only in WA on 1 July 2011.

The Australian operations of their competitors have collided with regulatory issues here and will probably continue to do so until they become compliant with local business registration and financial services requirements.  None of them appear to be registered for GST and that's a big red flag given that the GST threshold is only $75,000.  If the volume of money going through their accounts has been an issue for their Australian banks as they've claimed in the past then their turnover is high enough to require GST registration and the potential for nasty things to happen if they're not GST compliant is significant.  

One of their competitors is currently the subject of a strike-off action by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission.  The circumstances under which ASIC will initiate company deregistration are outlined here.  If they forgot to update their details with ASIC when they moved their operations from one state to another (the "best" case scenario for the strike off action) then someone needs a damned good slap because the registered office of the company is where nasty legal documents such as Director Penalty Notices from the ATO and Statutory Demands from creditors (including the ATO) get sent and if those aren't responded to within the required (very short) time frame then seizure of assets and/or forced liquidation of the company are very real possibilities even if the company is technically solvent.

https://westpoint.asic.gov.au/asic/ASIC.NSF/byHeadline/ASIC%20initiated%20deregistration%20of%20a%20company

Anyone looking to operate a Bitcoin exchange in Australia needs to explain to their users how they intend to avoid the issues which have affected their competitors operations here.  Good intentions won't avoid those issues.

At least they've now revamped their website so it doesn't look like it was formatted by a 15 year old any more (still need to run spell check guys).
The only thing I can say is that they are following all legal,technical and taxation advice from qualified legal experts. I have seen their asic registration page so while that may not assuage you it will be released and full disclosure is coming.

You should be aware of the massive costs involved in even getting to this point. What happened to competitors is not important here nor is it relevent. Its best to avoid gossip which is really unproductive.

Obviously they are watching this thread and are taking advice on board. There will be more information forthcoming at the appropriate time and in due course. Thanks for bringing these issues up so we can discuss them.

Guys dont leave any concerns on the table.  Smiley




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They've posted in the other thread that their launch will probably be delayed until October.  Until they post basic business information about themselves and who's behind the company, you'd be insane to deal with them no matter how many buzzwords they use on their website.

They havent launched yet. Untill they do the only thing that you can call it is a landing page.

People need to leave off the calls of "scam" and "conspiracy" for every new site that arrives.

Unless those complaining about it so loudly are paid by the competition of course. Now theres a conspiracy for you.

 Smiley

Asking for the registration details of a business which claims to be registered in Australia is hardly calling them a scam. It's information which they should be disclosing in advance if they want to establish pre-launch credibility and which they're legally required to disclose the moment they start offering goods or services to the public.

They've made an unsupported claim about being a Pty Ltd company.  The onus is on them to provide the information which allows their potential users to verify that claim.  There are no existing registrations which preclude them from registering Crypto X Changer as either a company name or a business name and they can't legally trade under that name without doing one or the other.  If they're going to claim some kind of ethical high ground then they need to back that up with verifiable facts.  Recent registrations for which I can find records are a company called International Bitcoin Exchange Pty Ltd which was registered on 20 June 2011 and Australian Bitcoin Exchange which was registered as a business name only in WA on 1 July 2011.

The Australian operations of their competitors have collided with regulatory issues here and will probably continue to do so until they become compliant with local business registration and financial services requirements.  None of them appear to be registered for GST and that's a big red flag given that the GST threshold is only $75,000.  If the volume of money going through their accounts has been an issue for their Australian banks as they've claimed in the past then their turnover is high enough to require GST registration and the potential for nasty things to happen if they're not GST compliant is significant.  

One of their competitors is currently the subject of a strike-off action by the Australian Securities and Investments Commission.  The circumstances under which ASIC will initiate company deregistration are outlined here.  If they forgot to update their details with ASIC when they moved their operations from one state to another (the "best" case scenario for the strike off action) then someone needs a damned good slap because the registered office of the company is where nasty legal documents such as Director Penalty Notices from the ATO and Statutory Demands from creditors (including the ATO) get sent and if those aren't responded to within the required (very short) time frame then seizure of assets and/or forced liquidation of the company are very real possibilities even if the company is technically solvent.

https://westpoint.asic.gov.au/asic/ASIC.NSF/byHeadline/ASIC%20initiated%20deregistration%20of%20a%20company

Anyone looking to operate a Bitcoin exchange in Australia needs to explain to their users how they intend to avoid the issues which have affected their competitors operations here.  Good intentions won't avoid those issues.

At least they've now revamped their website so it doesn't look like it was formatted by a 15 year old any more (still need to run spell check guys).
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Wat
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Crypto X Changer will change the future of Bitcoin Trading, Buying, Selling and Bitcoin Exchanges in general allowing for fast simple transactions and investments for users of any level of computer ability.

Crypto X Changer has so many features, never yet seen in the Bitcoin World, we cannot give details until the Exchange is Launched as we have spent and invested so much time in market research, research and development and massive infrastructure. Crypto X Changer is an Australian Owned and Opperated Registered Company.

There are so many features that the current Bitcoin Community will enjoy and also many features to enhance others that have not yet discovered Bitcoin to join the revolution with absolute minimum technical knowledge skills or abilities. Our aim is to be not only the largest world wide exchange but the best, by providing around the clock support, assistance and features we cannot mention until our Launch day in September. Be prepared to be excited! We will also have other new Digital Currencies added to our exchange as they become available.

Please note we will not be disclosing any of our additional & special features until our official Launch Day. We have many unique features that are not yet in the marketplace.


Somebody pass me the Jerkins.

If you would have spent $50 for a professional copywriter, I wouldn't be raising my red flag. It may pass the smell test for the average Joe, but for this community, I think not.

Personally, I would have written it in E-Prime.



Thanks for the feedback Phinneus. Getting advice prior to a site launching is invaluable.

Would a cookie for everyone who points out bugs and spelling mistakes be a good thing ? No one's time is free after all.


hero member
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Wat
They've posted in the other thread that their launch will probably be delayed until October.  Until they post basic business information about themselves and who's behind the company, you'd be insane to deal with them no matter how many buzzwords they use on their website.

They havent launched yet. Untill they do the only thing that you can call it is a landing page.

People need to leave off the calls of "scam" and "conspiracy" for every new site that arrives.

Unless those complaining about it so loudly are paid by the competition of course. Now theres a conspiracy for you.

 Smiley
legendary
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Strength in numbers
Lets see, "Bitcoin Users" will trust, en mass:

1) Magical Frenchmen in Japan with their bitcoins (single point of failure)

2) 17 year old Exchange operators (untested services)

3) Convicted financial frauds (no need to name names)

4) Unknown and anonymous sites with large amounts of digital assets (mybitcoin)

5) Phishing emails (mtgox/tradehills phishing victime)

6) This forum (cosbycoin anyone?)

7) Exploitable open source software (solidcoin, namecoin, geld whatever it is)

Cool Over The Counter Ratings (seriously)

9) Paypal (many still use paypal for bitcoin transactions)

10) Any new item of the week

Any questions?

inorite, I heard some bitcoiners believe astrology too!

That means bitcoiners are dumb and bitcoin is bad.
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They've posted in the other thread that their launch will probably be delayed until October.  Until they post basic business information about themselves and who's behind the company, you'd be insane to deal with them no matter how many buzzwords they use on their website.

Hey, get that logical thinking out of here, that is obviously conspiracy talk.
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They've posted in the other thread that their launch will probably be delayed until October.  Until they post basic business information about themselves and who's behind the company, you'd be insane to deal with them no matter how many buzzwords they use on their website.
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It may pass the smell test for the average Joe, but for this community, I think not.
With replies I'm seeing, I'm not so sure about that.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Somebody pass me the Jerkins.

If you would have spent $50 for a professional copywriter, I wouldn't be raising my red flag. It may pass the smell test for the average Joe, but for this community, I think not.

Personally, I would have written it in E-Prime.

hint: think segway

OK! I thought Segway. Now what? (I need another hint)
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