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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 17, 2023, 05:21:02 AM

We are close to 30 pages of discussion of a fight that imho never going to happen Cheesy

Does Mark or Elon talk about their potential fight or they have let this story go? Elon seems to be busy as usual, and Mark does his daily routine as usually. They wont even have an exhibition fight. I bet they gonna have sort of a fun debates, throw some funny trash talk and call this a gentleman fight, which will end with a draw.

The media first raised this speculation and was welcomed by the fans of the two famous entrepreneurs. I also think this will not happen and if it is implemented properly, I don't know what the intent and purpose are and any results will not have an impact on either of them or on the business they are building because this has nothing to do with it at all, unless they make certain agreements such as closing or give the social media platform that they are continuing to develop for the losers and so on, but I'm sure they won't be willing to do things like that because the investment made to build their social media platform is very large and affects many people's lives

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This thread will go more than a hundred pages yet we couldn't even see a proper talk about a real fight but the media from all corners of the globe are already talking about it.
They make fun of the peasants, not the peasant making fun of them.

It's plain and simple. These two just want to stay in the media limelight and took the public for a ride. If there is ever going to be a fight between Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, then it is going to take place in virtual space. As far as a real (physical) fight is concerned, I don't think that either of these two have the balls to go for it. Why should some of the richest men in the world risk injury, just for the sake of satisfying their ego? After 1-2 months, everyone will forget that there was even a suggestion regarding this and media coverage will also vanish.

I do not know what the exact chronology is to Elon Musk and Mark, is it only because of the simple tweet on his social media account and reply to each other making events ending to do physical matches, or whether they do this planning behind him to get the attention of the world's net citizens, This is spread to remote villages and many people talk about it.

If seen from people, in my opinion they have guts, because they have their respective martial arts skills, of course like humans who have the ability and feel challenged will definitely do it, especially with the level of life and wealth that is not much different.
Maybe if I challenge one of them, they will not respond because I am nobody and nothing is must in the dispute.

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Quote from: cabron on August 17, 2023, 12:30:38 PM

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This thread will go more than a hundred pages yet we couldn't even see a proper talk about a real fight but the media from all corners of the globe are already talking about it.
They make fun of the peasants, not the peasant making fun of them.

It's plain and simple. These two just want to stay in the media limelight and took the public for a ride. If there is ever going to be a fight between Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk, then it is going to take place in virtual space. As far as a real (physical) fight is concerned, I don't think that either of these two have the balls to go for it. Why should some of the richest men in the world risk injury, just for the sake of satisfying their ego? After 1-2 months, everyone will forget that there was even a suggestion regarding this and media coverage will also vanish.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 17, 2023, 11:56:37 AM

It is funny. Out there in the world there are thousands perhaps millions of fights between regular people which may have more meaning that two rich men punching one another on the face because their fans told them so. It is like living in the clown world some many on the internet refer to in an ironic way.

I can also imagine the frustration of some professional boxers and fighters with have trained their whole adult life to.get a small fraction of the attention these two technological businessmen are getting on the internet. Life can be weird and unfair sometimes.

If this fight actually get planned, then it will become a marketing phenomenon by its own and probably even drawn the attention of serious sponsorships.

Definitely. These two are going to find ways to make money out of it before they could even say yes to fighting each other. Talking about the date of the fight is another story and a discussion about where they would fight is another story.

This thread will go more than a hundred pages yet we couldn't even see a proper talk about a real fight but the media from all corners of the globe are already talking about it.
They make fun of the peasants, not the peasant making fun of them.

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What they are saying was just a pure nonsense because they just made it look like they were neighbors when in-fact they aren't, just a neighboring state but not literally neighbor that you could just knock from your home within a matter of minutes. And if I'm not mistaken, Elon Musk do actually have a home that is situated in Texas but he doesn't live in it because he only sleeps in SpaceX headquarters and made himself a little room there to sleep for a few hours before working again.

So what if he had knocked on Marks door?Then what?

People are really just putting too much attention with these kind of words but we cant really deny that even though these things turns out to be nonsense but surprisingly the public does really love
on how things been going. Even it is really just that clear that this one is indirectly trying out to showcase their company and some developments or whatsoever which they did make out
that having some mix of little trolling. They are really just that make a fun of the community. Tongue

Well, I guess we cannot really blame the public if some of them are loving the idea because if this will happen, it will be the first time where two billionaires will have a physical fight in front of the public and not behind closed doors despite the fact that they don't have any valid reasons in making the fight into reality.

It is funny. Out there in the world there are thousands perhaps millions of fights between regular people which may have more meaning that two rich men punching one another on the face because their fans told them so. It is like living in the clown world some many on the internet refer to in an ironic way.

I can also imagine the frustration of some professional boxers and fighters with have trained their whole adult life to.get a small fraction of the attention these two technological businessmen are getting on the internet. Life can be weird and unfair sometimes.

If this fight actually get planned, then it will become a marketing phenomenon by its own and probably even drawn the attention of serious sponsorships.

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Quote from: Porfirii on August 17, 2023, 04:55:46 AM

I'm personally betting on the bunch of products them both sell, as the fight we are talking about here is no more than a marketing strategy to boost their popularity and have people talking about both "influencers" and, indirectly, their many brands.

Now, talking about the fight itself, I've always thought that Zucky is not the tyoe of guy who has physical stamina, and although Elon wasn't an Adonis either, I think that he has more chances to win. Both will be fit and trained for the fight, but I see Musk stronger.

Don't know which marketing strategy would that be. Mark is acting like an adult and as a real people practising BJJ and he wants to do it by the book, as this is not about him, but the sport. Not overstepping any limits that are in there for safety reasons, and not to make this some sort of show wrestling event, but a real legit fight.

And in the opposite end Musk is acting like a insecure kid who knows nothing about the real world and now he is trying to bully Mark in twitter, backfiring horribly. I see no positive outcome for Elon in this. And people watching this get only shared sense of shame.

This fight will never happen and opposite to what Elon said, Italian government never even agreed on use of the Colosseum. So if there's a bet that if this fights happen within some time limit or not, i would bet not on any time frame.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/06/30/colosseum-not-host-elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg-fight/

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We are close to 30 pages of discussion of a fight that imho never going to happen Cheesy

Does Mark or Elon talk about their potential fight or they have let this story go? Elon seems to be busy as usual, and Mark does his daily routine as usually. They wont even have an exhibition fight. I bet they gonna have sort of a fun debates, throw some funny trash talk and call this a gentleman fight, which will end with a draw.

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I'm personally betting on the bunch of products them both sell, as the fight we are talking about here is no more than a marketing strategy to boost their popularity and have people talking about both "influencers" and, indirectly, their many brands.

Now, talking about the fight itself, I've always thought that Zucky is not the tyoe of guy who has physical stamina, and although Elon wasn't an Adonis either, I think that he has more chances to win. Both will be fit and trained for the fight, but I see Musk stronger.

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BTW, there is already confirmation that Elon Musk has won the real battle against Mark Zuckerberg. Check this:

https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/ry2iwed32

There was so much hype related to Threads, immediately after its launch on 5th July 2023. So many people were predicting the demise of Twitter and claiming that Threads was going to replace it. But similar to so many other copycat ventures from Zuckerberg, this one also failed miserably. And this time, Threads flopped despite the entire left-wing establishment rallying in its support. I am sure that Elon will be boosted by his success in micro-blogging domain. A win in cage fight would be an added sweetener.

I didn’t think for a second that Threads would be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter is already an established platform dominating the social media space. It would take almost a miracle for a completely new platform to healthily rival Twitter. Obviously, people were interested in Threads mostly cause it was new and majorly unknown. After all the hype about Threads has gone, and the dust settled, people are now back to Twitter(X) like they never left.
A cage fight is never going to happen.

agreed with this one, cage fight is never gonna happen when these billionaires spent millions literally for their security.
moreover thread right now is heavily abandoned despite the fact that it was gaining fame before. I've seen many accounts from some big companies aren't that active.
I guess people just gonna choose the more well established and already finished ecosystem before even investing that much commitment towards new platform like thread.
right now I guess these feud has reached its peak.

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What they are saying was just a pure nonsense because they just made it look like they were neighbors when in-fact they aren't, just a neighboring state but not literally neighbor that you could just knock from your home within a matter of minutes. And if I'm not mistaken, Elon Musk do actually have a home that is situated in Texas but he doesn't live in it because he only sleeps in SpaceX headquarters and made himself a little room there to sleep for a few hours before working again.

So what if he had knocked on Marks door?Then what?

People are really just putting too much attention with these kind of words but we cant really deny that even though these things turns out to be nonsense but surprisingly the public does really love
on how things been going. Even it is really just that clear that this one is indirectly trying out to showcase their company and some developments or whatsoever which they did make out
that having some mix of little trolling. They are really just that make a fun of the community. Tongue

Well, I guess we cannot really blame the public if some of them are loving the idea because if this will happen, it will be the first time where two billionaires will have a physical fight in front of the public and not behind closed doors despite the fact that they don't have any valid reasons in making the fight into reality.

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Quote from: Iroh on August 16, 2023, 06:59:23 PM

I didn’t think for a second that Threads would be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter is already an established platform dominating the social media space. It would take almost a miracle for a completely new platform to healthily rival Twitter. Obviously, people were interested in Threads mostly cause it was new and majorly unknown. After all the hype about Threads has gone, and the dust settled, people are now back to Twitter(X) like they never left.
A cage fight is never going to happen.

Well.. I went through media articles at the time of the official launch of Threads, and many of them were predicting that it would replace Twitter completely. There was so much hype, and Threads was being projected as the next big thing. Unfortunately, Zuckerberg's product lacked quality to compete with Twitter and the left-wing user base is not actually well suited for the micro-blogging domain. Zuckerberg was thinking about converting a part of the Instagram userbase to Threads users. But this was illogical and quite rightly the attempt ended up in failure.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 02:54:07 PM

BTW, there is already confirmation that Elon Musk has won the real battle against Mark Zuckerberg. Check this:

https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/ry2iwed32

There was so much hype related to Threads, immediately after its launch on 5th July 2023. So many people were predicting the demise of Twitter and claiming that Threads was going to replace it. But similar to so many other copycat ventures from Zuckerberg, this one also failed miserably. And this time, Threads flopped despite the entire left-wing establishment rallying in its support. I am sure that Elon will be boosted by his success in micro-blogging domain. A win in cage fight would be an added sweetener.

I didn’t think for a second that Threads would be a replacement for Twitter. Twitter is already an established platform dominating the social media space. It would take almost a miracle for a completely new platform to healthily rival Twitter. Obviously, people were interested in Threads mostly cause it was new and majorly unknown. After all the hype about Threads has gone, and the dust settled, people are now back to Twitter(X) like they never left.
A cage fight is never going to happen.

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Quote from: Huppercase on August 16, 2023, 04:25:23 PM

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If doppelganger is a person, then I think we have another Elon Musk in Mars. Grin

Funny how this Yelon Ma can't speak English and yet look so similar like Elon Musk, he is on Tiktok entertaining people everyday and I'm even surprised that he had a Tesla car he used personally and I don't know what has stopped him from accessing Elon Musk. There was a time Elon Musk was ready to meet him in person or is he also a celebrity that want Elon to look for him.

I think Elon is overstretching this fight, if he want the fight and really want to have it, this hype should be over by now, he has done enough public awareness, average person on Twitter is aware of this fight, UFC can make preparations for two weeks and with more partnerships, the fight will take place as soon as possible but the more he proponed it, the less it's getting interesting, people might not even watch as he think.

Didn't know it was a real personality on tik tok.
Thought he was just a guy who happened to look alot like Elon and is chinese. Just like that random photo somebody took of a guy in China sitting outside at a restaurant who looked exactly like him and that went viral asking "Is Elon Musk in China?!"
Quite funny along with what Yelon Ma has done and gathering his fame with the attention this guy gets from really dumb things along with amassing a tech empire.

Remember when Mark agreed to a August 26th fight? It seemed that Musk backed out due to needing surgery:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/08/15/zuckerberg-vs-musk-cage-match-when-twitter-x-threads

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on August 16, 2023, 10:56:23 AM

Now, whom are we going to believe?, just same yesterday or the day before yesterday rather, I was reading a news about this fight , and the news had it that Mark himself reached out to Elon Musk to discus and schedule the date for the fight, this was through a chat, but Elon responded saying that he was not ready for the fight yet, and cant schedule a date, the news also shared a supposed screenshot of the chat which they tagged as leaked, I don't know how authentic this is though, but the fact that different news outlets are saying different things make the whole arrangement confusing and people like me do not know what to expect, or where to turn to for authentic and verified news about the fight.

From the news or rumours, it shows that Elon Musk may have shown some sign of resentment toward the physical battle with Mark Zuckerberg, the billionaires suddenly realize that, it not worth it to engage in physical combats just to prove no point, and I am sure, since Elin musk seems to be the older he have a lot at stake compared to. Mark who seems and look younger in terms of age.

I believe also more in the possible fact that, the two social media CEOs Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg are using the public to cash in a media stunt because the discussion has dragged along for a long and it should have happened already if they wanted to.

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What they are saying was just a pure nonsense because they just made it look like they were neighbors when in-fact they aren't, just a neighboring state but not literally neighbor that you could just knock from your home within a matter of minutes. And if I'm not mistaken, Elon Musk do actually have a home that is situated in Texas but he doesn't live in it because he only sleeps in SpaceX headquarters and made himself a little room there to sleep for a few hours before working again.

So what if he had knocked on Marks door?Then what?

People are really just putting too much attention with these kind of words but we cant really deny that even though these things turns out to be nonsense but surprisingly the public does really love
on how things been going. Even it is really just that clear that this one is indirectly trying out to showcase their company and some developments or whatsoever which they did make out
that having some mix of little trolling. They are really just that make a fun of the community. Tongue

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 02:54:07 PM

BTW, there is already confirmation that Elon Musk has won the real battle against Mark Zuckerberg. Check this:

https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/ry2iwed32

There was so much hype related to Threads, immediately after its launch on 5th July 2023. So many people were predicting the demise of Twitter and claiming that Threads was going to replace it. But similar to so many other copycat ventures from Zuckerberg, this one also failed miserably. And this time, Threads flopped despite the entire left-wing establishment rallying in its support. I am sure that Elon will be boosted by his success in micro-blogging domain. A win in cage fight would be an added sweetener.

I do think that a little of the online trolling is due to Mark Zuckerberg seemingly trying to steal market share from Elon’s Twitter (X). Maybe he’s trying to send a message to other billionaires thinking about entering his space. Similar to threatening Apple with a Tesla phone or making fun of Bezos’ attempts at space flight. The man isn’t afraid to start a fight.

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It is real as this will get when the chinese elon fought a box with the picture of with zucks photo on it.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Qc0Eht2A5gI

If doppelganger is a person, then I think we have another Elon Musk in Mars. Grin

Funny how this Yelon Ma can't speak English and yet look so similar like Elon Musk, he is on Tiktok entertaining people everyday and I'm even surprised that he had a Tesla car he used personally and I don't know what has stopped him from accessing Elon Musk. There was a time Elon Musk was ready to meet him in person or is he also a celebrity that want Elon to look for him.

I think Elon is overstretching this fight, if he want the fight and really want to have it, this hype should be over by now, he has done enough public awareness, average person on Twitter is aware of this fight, UFC can make preparations for two weeks and with more partnerships, the fight will take place as soon as possible but the more he proponed it, the less it's getting interesting, people might not even watch as he think.

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BTW, there is already confirmation that Elon Musk has won the real battle against Mark Zuckerberg. Check this:

https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/ry2iwed32

There was so much hype related to Threads, immediately after its launch on 5th July 2023. So many people were predicting the demise of Twitter and claiming that Threads was going to replace it. But similar to so many other copycat ventures from Zuckerberg, this one also failed miserably. And this time, Threads flopped despite the entire left-wing establishment rallying in its support. I am sure that Elon will be boosted by his success in micro-blogging domain. A win in cage fight would be an added sweetener.

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With all these announcements coming from Mark we can see that he is serious about fighting Elon, whereas Elon has a lot of alibis and lacks seriousness, this is why Elon is good in hype they made us all believe that the fight will push through, anyway he can change his mind anytime since Mark have already that he is ready anytime he is just a call away to make the deal.
It could have been the biggest news and fight this year if the fight had pushed through because this is the first time that it's going to happen two of the richest men on Earth fighting in the ring or octagon, what could be a piece of more interesting news as this.

Evidently because Mark Zuckerberg has been with some famous UFC stars that helped prepare him in his supposed fight with Elon Musk but the latter is not taking things in a serious state which disappoints Mark because it was Elon who started all of these talks and even proposed a cage fight. But now, it turns out that Elon doesn't want any of that fight as he is now making an excuses, an excuse that he will never ran out of.

And then Mark took it seriously like Elon is really going to fight in the cage?
Mark shows courage but this is because he is younger. At Elon's age, the guy will just be kicked below his knee and it will be disjointed. Elon had already trolled several times to give him some cue Mark is just too dumb to catch it.

One billionaire hates another billionaire I guess. They both compete in the tech industry and most probably hate each other's achievements.

Did Actually Mark take this circus seriously?
I doubt it, and if he did then he must realize as soon as possible that Elon is doing what he usually does, to troll around and catch the attention of the masses. Just think about it, once people started to talk about the fight in a relatively serious manner, Elon suggested to measure their genitals instead a cage fight.

He is intelligent enough to know he cannot give anyone the chance to publicly defeat him and make a public humiliation out of him. I am expecting this fight not to happen and it may be forgotten as time goes on, unless the lawsuit from Twitter against Meta's threads continues to move forward and people continue to try to convince Elon to accept the challenge.

I doubt Elon talked to Dana about them fighting. But Zucker really talked to Dana for confirmation?

That dude seriously hates Elon for really stepping up to really pursue both of them on stage while Elon is just tweeting and laughing. Elon is on another level and everyone is a toy for that guy, thats why its never to be believed whatever he is saying. He does it in interviews, the guy trolls just about anyone. He knows he can get away. Even if he tweets about Epstein and his clients on TV, Elon can get away with it.

I agree to Elons' gut. If you look at it from another perspective, he kind of livens social media. Even if he trolls anyone, he does it funnily enough so.
After all, I don't think he pays so much for advertising his business because he just about knows how to command the awareness by using well directed words targeted at a potential competition or hinting on a potential project.

On Twitter, Elon Musk tweeted a fight recap to pin point his say so far. @elonmusk:

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Fight Recap:

I joked on X about fighting Zuck

Zuck then said “SEND ME LOCATION”

Italy graciously offered a Colosseum

Zuck declined

I suggested his home as “safe space”

Tragically, he was ahem “traveling”

Is there anywhere he will fight?

You asking me what I think right now, is like asking a toddler which between both parents just farted. No pun intended.
I am still keeping my fingers crossed for this fight to happen, seeing that Elon Musk doesn't want to let it just slide, instead he keeps making the gist relevant and thus command the awareness I was talking about, while adjustments are made at Twitter to fit his concept or vision. Genius!

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All this is just a distraction from more important things.
I wouldn't waste any time watching or betting on this fake fight between two elite puppets, for me it is more interesting to watch two dogs barking on each other in street.
And I am not surprised to see Dana White getting involved talking about this because there will be lot of money involved, but I heard Musk is not going to show up for this fight.

Musk seems willing to show up for the fight. He even said he was going to bang on Mark’s door yesterday but Zuckerberg’s team put out a message that Mark wasn’t home. I am interested in this fight because it may be the most watched fight in human history, but I would agree that it is definitely distracting both from more important things.

Now, whom are we going to believe?, just same yesterday or the day before yesterday rather, I was reading a news about this fight , and the news had it that Mark himself reached out to Elon Musk to discus and schedule the date for the fight, this was through a chat, but Elon responded saying that he was not ready for the fight yet, and cant schedule a date, the news also shared a supposed screenshot of the chat which they tagged as leaked, I don't know how authentic this is though, but the fact that different news outlets are saying different things make the whole arrangement confusing and people like me do not know what to expect, or where to turn to for authentic and verified news about the fight.

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