I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Topic: The First Seastead is in the water - page 4. (Read 1088 times)
The difference from a boat is the sovereignty part.
That is what I figured..
As far as I know, from very limited research, every boat has to be registered to some country. I guess your "seastead" somehow gets around this because it is "not a boat"?
Can you explain some about how that works?
So if your seastead is sovereign doesn't that make it a country like that oil platform country?
Does this give your country your 12 mile and other zones of sea around your country that your seastead country controls?
Do you get your zones like those?
Hypothetically, could you move your seastead next to an active oil platform that is in unclaimed international waters, to put it into your exclusive economical zone, and then tax the shit out of that oil company? lol
Could I register my sailboat to your seastead, or, could I buy my own seastead and register my own sailboat to my own seastead country and therefore have a sovereign sailboat while it is outside the zone of any other country?
How many churches do you plan on having?
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
May as well ask Lagoon or Catalina how many of the boats they make are going to be used as churches.
Ocean Builders just builds seasteads. We are leaving it to the first 20 owners to design the foundation for future seastead systems. If you want to help decide what systems will be used for future seasteading then you should go to https://ocean.builders and fill out the form stating that you're interested in buying one.
Though just because the first 20 may decide on one system it does not imply that everyone else must follow it. But they will have first mover advantage with network affect.
So your plot of water isn't going to be a church?
How many churches do you plan on having?
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
May as well ask Lagoon or Catalina how many of the boats they make are going to be used as churches.
Ocean Builders just builds seasteads. We are leaving it to the first 20 owners to design the foundation for future seastead systems. If you want to help decide what systems will be used for future seasteading then you should go to https://ocean.builders and fill out the form stating that you're interested in buying one.
Though just because the first 20 may decide on one system it does not imply that everyone else must follow it. But they will have first mover advantage with network affect.
In a common law based country, every individual is a micro-nation... except if he is a member of a family. Then the family is.
List of national legal systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems ...
List of national legal systems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_legal_systems ...
Micronations
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation
List of micronations
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
Polity
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polity
The individual (collective) as the (nation)-state!
..."body politic was also understood to mean "the physical person of the sovereign:"...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronation
List of micronations
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
Polity
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polity
The individual (collective) as the (nation)-state!
..."body politic was also understood to mean "the physical person of the sovereign:"...
^^^ Give these guys credit for trying. Lots of people have started their own, tiny countries. Most of them don't even realize what they are really doing. All they really want is to be left alone. Hitler, on the other hand, recognized a flaw in the government of his day, and took advantage of the flaw by taking over the nation.
Most people who come to the USA from civil law countries, can't imagine why or how the USA can keep on going... to say nothing about how it could be made better. They simply like it as it is, and usually stay. The few who leave do so because they don't realize how easy it is to make the country better.
Most people who come to the USA from civil law countries, can't imagine why or how the USA can keep on going... to say nothing about how it could be made better. They simply like it as it is, and usually stay. The few who leave do so because they don't realize how easy it is to make the country better.
Congrats!
All Hail KingDanny Elwar ... 
Danny Wallace's How to Start Your Own Country Anthem
- https://youtu.be/X-CFz9kYBJI
How To Start Your Own Country S1E1
- https://youtu.be/qHHOFIKlnu4
How To Start Your Own Country S1E2
- https://youtu.be/AluP-ic6Rdc
How To Start Your Own Country S1E3
- https://youtu.be/D5kt9ROpD-A
How To Start Your Own Country S1E4
- https://youtu.be/KI0m4RscxzQ
How To Start Your Own Country S1E5
- https://youtu.be/5310jKCc3Zs
How To Start Your Own Country S1E6
- https://youtu.be/NhtX4uw3Rj0
P.S. Looks lovely ...
All Hail King
Danny Wallace's How to Start Your Own Country Anthem
- https://youtu.be/X-CFz9kYBJI
How To Start Your Own Country S1E1
- https://youtu.be/qHHOFIKlnu4
How To Start Your Own Country S1E2
- https://youtu.be/AluP-ic6Rdc
How To Start Your Own Country S1E3
- https://youtu.be/D5kt9ROpD-A
How To Start Your Own Country S1E4
- https://youtu.be/KI0m4RscxzQ
How To Start Your Own Country S1E5
- https://youtu.be/5310jKCc3Zs
How To Start Your Own Country S1E6
- https://youtu.be/NhtX4uw3Rj0
P.S. Looks lovely ...
How many churches do you plan on having?
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations.
A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land.
This is very interesting to me..
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
The production versions will have active mooring which will allow you to move your home as you see fit. If you don't like your neighbors...just move.
As for initially being occupied. My gf and I will have plenty to do. We lived in a small bungalow in Tahiti and spent most of our time there. Her cooking and me on the 'net or reading.
We can go SCUBA diving and swimming. I plan on growing a coral garden on the spar and raising reef fish. Drone fishing...
Most importantly we have Internet so I'll never get bored.
And we can go into town. Either to Phuket or one of the islands.
But I imagine as people begin moving out there we will be very busy helping the newcomers get adjusted.
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
As what I read, and I might be wrong, is because ship is getting moved with ocean currents. So you would need fuel to keep it on same position. This seastead is chained to sea bottom and stays put unless you want to move elsewhere.
Also as I imagine boat bounce way more then this seastead since only spar is in the water. Again I might have no ideas what I am talking about.
^^^ Oh, good. You are thinking sovereign already.
Sometimes it seems that I am speaking against seasteading. I am not! The only thing that I am trying to do is to make people think.
Any of us who are seriously looking at the idea of seasteading to start our own nation, probably have enough luxury in life that we live a little bit of a life of ease, and we don't really think about what goes into really making a free nation... especially if we are trying to beat USA freedom.
You don't want to be enslaved by agreements made to a corporate seastead "government" so that you are forced by your agreements to remain in the seastead if you find out that it is something that isn't for you after all. Think well. Get it in writing, well. Wear a gun.
Sometimes it seems that I am speaking against seasteading. I am not! The only thing that I am trying to do is to make people think.
Any of us who are seriously looking at the idea of seasteading to start our own nation, probably have enough luxury in life that we live a little bit of a life of ease, and we don't really think about what goes into really making a free nation... especially if we are trying to beat USA freedom.
You don't want to be enslaved by agreements made to a corporate seastead "government" so that you are forced by your agreements to remain in the seastead if you find out that it is something that isn't for you after all. Think well. Get it in writing, well. Wear a gun.
This is very interesting to me..
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
The United States got started because some wealthy jokers needed help to fight King George.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of freedom.
The people of that day were smart enough that they could see through any trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers had to give them freedom, for real, with the enslavement well hidden.
They did it so well that it has taken up to the present to get the enslavement ball really rolling again. The fact that it is rolling can be seen in the fact that some people want seasteading freedom.
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Seasteading got started because some wealthy jokers needed help to fight enslavement.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of seasteading freedom.
Present day people aren't smart enough that they can see through trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers have an easy time of making it look like they are giving them freedom.
It won't take long for the seasteading freedom to collapse, if it really gets started at all.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of freedom.
The people of that day were smart enough that they could see through any trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers had to give them freedom, for real, with the enslavement well hidden.
They did it so well that it has taken up to the present to get the enslavement ball really rolling again. The fact that it is rolling can be seen in the fact that some people want seasteading freedom.
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Seasteading got started because some wealthy jokers needed help to fight enslavement.
The only way the wealthy jokers could get the help of the massed people was to offer them a government of seasteading freedom.
Present day people aren't smart enough that they can see through trickery that the wealthy jokers might do. So, the wealthy jokers have an easy time of making it look like they are giving them freedom.
It won't take long for the seasteading freedom to collapse, if it really gets started at all.
If your not protected by any country can't a group of pirates just overtake your seastead and there is nothing you can do about it.
That's the thing. We have no country preventing us from doing something about it.
If your not protected by any country can't a group of pirates just overtake your seastead and there is nothing you can do about it.
Love your idea and specially I love that you actually work on it. So many ended just as an ideas. I found the forum and will monitor progress. It is a bit to much for me right now to gasp everything.
its very cool
Do concrete hulled boat-islands get barnacles on their hulls? If they do, do the barnacles make the concrete hulls stronger? Or will they add extra weight that will sink the islands after a while?
I plan on growing biorock on the spar in order to foster the growth of coral for a very large coral garden that will make for a perfect environment for fish.
It also helps to prevent corrosion of the steel spar.
Do concrete hulled boat-islands get barnacles on their hulls? If they do, do the barnacles make the concrete hulls stronger? Or will they add extra weight that will sink the islands after a while?
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