Topic: The latest Avalon announcement in China(Translated). Batch #3, price and more. - page 11. (Read 36558 times)

As stated I'm willing to pay with all my current BTC available (which would cover about 30% of the price)... I really don't have the time to pull off scams. Feel free to google my nick for possible scams on other forums...

I said it makes sense. I think we are in agreement, but maybe you misread what I wrote?

Anyway, were I the owner of the Avalon company, I'd do something similar. Maybe use some kind of scheme with variable pricing and rebates to segment the market further, and also make smaller, less expensive units. Not to be nice to my customers, but to cram every last cent out of the ASIC mining market.

What's the per-unit cost, to Avalon? $200 per unit + $100 for shipping? I realize they also have a big investment to recoup, but let's forget about that one right now.

+1

WTF stop that drama!

Complaining is silly. Either act or forget.

I find it interesting to watch the reactions of many folks who claim to want a free market with a deflationary currency who are complaining about the effects of a free market with a deflationary currency on themselves.

Perhaps some perspective is in order (everyone take a deep breath!)

The first question to ask yourself is: "Where will the price of one bitcoin be when I cash out?" Cashing out, for me personally means when I leave my paper wallet to my heirs, as any brain wallets dissapear.

Will my actions beforehand have strengthened the bitcoin economy to the point where they will benefit from my actions and choices? If I then lose a few bitcoin to ensure the long-term survival of the network, am I not, in fact, leaving my heirs richer?

I think we all can find clarity in viewing our choices in a historical perspective at times.

Would I love to have my unit arrive tomorrow? Sure, but if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it as a-hoppin'. In the meantime, I will watch my GPU miners scale back, and rejoice in the fact that the distribution of ASIC -- from Avalon, BFL, ASICMiner, or wherever -- all prevent any single government from changing this currency into anything other than what the miners agree to.

Again, it is a deflationary currency. Every purchase will feel more like a loss than any purchase with an inflationary fiat currency. Yet each purchase strengthens the bitcoin economy. This is a fact that each of us will have to learn to live with on our own terms.

I, for one, will look back at my life and say "I am satisfied with my choices, for sometimes luck was with me."

I hope the same for each of you.

OMG! So much drama here
Those who depressed about batch 3 prices, feel free to bid on batch#2 here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avalon-ASIC-Bitcoin-Miner-65-Gh-s-speed-guaranteed-PRE-ORDER-/140938300499 (STILL CHEAP!)
or here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avalon-ASIC-Bitcoin-mining-Rig-pre-order-/190814179747  Look! Batch#2 preorder for the price of batch#3!
or here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avalon-ASIC-Bitcoin-BTC-Mining-Computer-Rig-Miner-Unit-Pre-Order-/140937986794
Oh yeah, especially for BFL fans/customers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-x-60-GH-s-Bitcoin-Miner-BitForce-Single-SC-ASIC-Butterfly-Labs-Avalon-/230949834281 (not sure why it says avalon still. That is an insult!)
So I'm expecting BFL raise their prices too sometime. People will buy these things anyway
and of course, those who believe that avalons won't sell at $5-7K should look at this famous link again
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avalon-ASIC-Bitcoin-BTC-Mining-Computer-Rig-Miner-Unit-Pre-Order-/181105056846
yes, this might be a fake, maybe shadow bidding and such. But the thing is, you have to pay fees on ebay, a certain % from your final sale. So, if this is a fake sale, that seller still has to pay ebay fee.
Now, let's say I have batch#1 avalon. And I'm thinking about selling it. (Too loud, too hot in the room, wife won't let me keep it, kids etc. It is hypothetical, I have no wife, no kids and no avalon) But let's pretend I do have one avalon. How much does it worth to you? You could have it right now (10 days the latest depending on shipping for example) how much would you be willing to pay for shit unit? $10,000? $20,000? And why?

Pretty much. I may consider grabbing a batch 3 order. Only thing that's making me second guess it is I could get more from BFL for less, but who knows if they'll ever deliver or when...

As far as I'm concerned though even with a 6k investment it will pay itself off eventually even if it takes over a year cause of major price crashes or major difficulty rises, and when it's finally paid off I can enjoy a small fraction of a bitcoin every 24 hours 

At BTC, you'll pay for it in about a month.  That's their point - that it's unreasonable to expect units to be priced at a point where they'll pay for themselves in days.  They're leaving themselves plenty of room to adjust the price downwards as difficulty changes and more TH hit the network.  There's only going to be a short time when expecting a unit to pay for itself within a couple of months is reasonable.  As more ASICs hit the network, the break even point will blow out.  When it blows out to a point where sales drop off, vendors will likely drop their prices to keep it at an "acceptable" time-frame.

You wouldn't do the same in their position?

I mean even at 5-6k you'll still pay for the unit eventually as long as it doesn't break (I haven't really read about warranties on these things)

The price hike from Avalon makes absolute sense. They really have one goal: To sell their hardware for as much as is possible.

Also a private listing which to me always signals that the actual seller is padding the price with another ebay account.

The thing I don't get is doesn't ebay buyer protection only cover you for 45 days after purchase?

What happens when they don't get the unit within 45 days, couldn't the seller walk away with the unit and keep the cash without any issues from ebay?

The whole idea just seems risky to me.

It's also a first time seller so the auction could have been for shit and giggles anyway.

Except what you're proposing is not planning for success, it's planning for being stupid. And poor.

30k.

Then the guy will claim you sent him a rock and keeps your asic for free.

I bumped that ebay price to 17k with no intention to pay for it to see if anyone would top it.

I was surprised to come home and find myself outbid.

I doubt the guy will pay for it, happens all the time when stuff gets expensive.

You are mentally retarded, you know this, right?

You could mine with it for a while and then sell it.  Until BFL delivers in any quantity and Batch 3 ships, Avalons are likely to fetch a good price in the secondary market.

Imagine what an in-hand unit from batch 1 might go for...

Now I'm tempted to put my Batch #2 on eBay.

Just noticed it's a Batch 2 order which has been sold.  Not sure what e-Bay's policy on that will be if there's a problem. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181105056846