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Topic: The latest Avalon announcement in China(Translated). Batch #3, price and more. - page 20. (Read 36556 times)

hero member
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/damn i though it will be 2000$ or something around it i think i will pass it  Cry Cry.

Hehe, we have to gambles now:

pay 90 btc for a unit you know exists, and that you will received sometime around June (and maybe sooner!)
pay 20 btc for a BFL unit you don't know if exists, and that they tell you that you will receive in July if ordered now (and most likely later!)

Both of them seems quite risky to me, but if I had enough coins bought cheap, I would take both Wink

you would still be better off buying 5 bfl units in the long term, even if it were another month or two delay.
legendary
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/damn i though it will be 2000$ or something around it i think i will pass it  Cry Cry.

Hehe, we have to gambles now:

pay 90 btc for a unit you know exists, and that you will received sometime around June (and maybe sooner!)
pay 20 btc for a BFL unit you don't know if exists, and that they tell you that you will receive in July if ordered now (and most likely later!)

Both of them seems quite risky to me, but if I had enough coins bought cheap, I would take both Wink
legendary
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/damn i though it will be 2000$ or something around it i think i will pass it  Cry Cry.
legendary
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yes, the biggest bummer is delay of batch 2 shipment....ugh.... guess it wont be here for my birthday after all =(
Wish they would take this crap into account when advertising the shipment of the batches on purchasing them.
legendary
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You can buy a BFL minirig for 500 btc, and delivery would probably be in the same timeframe.
You can "buy" one, yes. But you are not going to get any ROI, because no working BFL ASIC hardware exists.
Avalon does exist and currently running units get an insane ROI.

A bit naive, don't you think? It's clear that BFL has been developing hardware..don't let their incompetence cloud your judgment. Anyway, we're not here to talk about BFL..this is an Avalon thread silly. Wink

Seriously though, people really don't have a problem paying $7,000 for a 600w+ 80GH/s device? I also find it kind of funny that the buyers from Batch #1 paid the lowest price and are making the highest return on their investment. The Batch #2 price hike was expected...it was kind of like the "Fuck you, we're legit and you missed out on the first round".

But to triple the price for Batch #3 sort of solidifies the initial notion that they are indeed using preorder funds to complete the previous orders (it also fully explains why they "shipped" 2 months ago and are still behind on their first shipment). I imagine after selling out of Batch #3 they'll have enough money to get everything back on track again (financially anyways).

1.) Batch 2 was more expensive because shipping was included in the price. Batch 1 was $1299 + shipping.
2.) BFL won't ship anytime soon. You're welcome to prove me wrong. http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/
3.) Avalon could have mined themselves, and keep all the profit. Yet they are selling to the public. It's ludicrous to think that they would set up a ponzi like structure with their orders. Due to the insane ROI of Avalons, 88 BTC seems like a bargain still. 4.) I'd imagine Avalon customers are not newbies and have BTC beforehand way before the price spike. Batch 1 is actually more expensive than Batch 3 BTC wise.



Point 1) is correct.

Point 2), is pure gambling. We don't know if BFL won't ship before July. They may, or may not.

Point 3), I don't see a +6.000usd or 90btc 67GHs machine as a "bargain" given the timeframe. A "bargain" is what batch #1 customers got. They are the ones doing an insane ROI. Batch #2 customers also got an excellent deal. But when the 1.500 AVALON units will be deployed we will have 3x the current difficulty, and therefore ROI will come in 2/3 months. Add to the equation more hashing power deployed by ASICminer, and ROI may come much later. If BFL also deploys a fraction of their preorders, AVALON batch #3 customers are screwed, and the stakes are high (again: 6.000usd for a 67GHs unit).

I agree with point 4). If you have mined/bought hundreds of btc when the difficulty/exchange rate was lower, AVALON is definitely a bet you can afford to take. But if you have to exchange usd for btc, or you have a modest amount of btc, then it's much safer to hold on your existing coins and buy more with your fiat. Gambling most of your btc on this, or exchanging +6.000usd for an AVALON, is too risky in my opinion. It's a gamble I wouldn't take, because in any case the profit (if there's at all) will be modest.
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Quite disappointed to hear that Batch 2 is being delayed Sad
legendary
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I still had the tab open, so for those doubting price/numbers

legendary
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how do you know this?
thanks
seen on their store page when it was online (under construction now).
sr. member
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Price seems pretty high.
Don't think they mentioned the total number of units they will be selling in batch #3... anyone know about it?


600

how do you know this?
thanks
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
You can buy a BFL minirig for 500 btc, and delivery would probably be in the same timeframe.
You can "buy" one, yes. But you are not going to get any ROI, because no working BFL ASIC hardware exists.
Avalon does exist and currently running units get an insane ROI.

A bit naive, don't you think? It's clear that BFL has been developing hardware..don't let their incompetence cloud your judgment. Anyway, we're not here to talk about BFL..this is an Avalon thread silly. Wink

Seriously though, people really don't have a problem paying $7,000 for a 600w+ 80GH/s device? I also find it kind of funny that the buyers from Batch #1 paid the lowest price and are making the highest return on their investment. The Batch #2 price hike was expected...it was kind of like the "Fuck you, we're legit and you missed out on the first round".

But to triple the price for Batch #3 sort of solidifies the initial notion that they are indeed using preorder funds to complete the previous orders (it also fully explains why they "shipped" 2 months ago and are still behind on their first shipment). I imagine after selling out of Batch #3 they'll have enough money to get everything back on track again (financially anyways).

1.) Batch 2 was more expensive because shipping was included in the price. Batch 1 was $1299 + shipping.
2.) BFL won't ship anytime soon. You're welcome to prove me wrong. http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/
3.) Avalon could have mined themselves, and keep all the profit. Yet they are selling to the public. It's ludicrous to think that they would set up a ponzi like structure with their orders. Due to the insane ROI of Avalons, 88 BTC seems like a bargain still. 4.) I'd imagine Avalon customers are not newbies and have BTC beforehand way before the price spike. Batch 1 is actually more expensive than Batch 3 BTC wise.

sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 250
You can buy a BFL minirig for 500 btc, and delivery would probably be in the same timeframe.
You can "buy" one, yes. But you are not going to get any ROI, because no working BFL ASIC hardware exists.
Avalon does exist and currently running units get an insane ROI.

A bit naive, don't you think? It's clear that BFL has been developing hardware..don't let their incompetence cloud your judgment. Anyway, we're not here to talk about BFL..this is an Avalon thread silly. Wink

Seriously though, people really don't have a problem paying $7,000 for a 600w+ 80GH/s device? I also find it kind of funny that the buyers from Batch #1 paid the lowest price and are making the highest return on their investment. The Batch #2 price hike was expected...it was kind of like the "Fuck you, we're legit and you missed out on the first round".

But to triple the price for Batch #3 sort of solidifies the initial notion that they are indeed using preorder funds to complete the previous orders (it also fully explains why they "shipped" 2 months ago and are still behind on their first shipment). I imagine after selling out of Batch #3 they'll have enough money to get everything back on track again (financially anyways).

For all we know, they could have been mining with your batch 2 orders right now.
Hence they figure that price increased is just a lost income for shipping those batch 2 orders.

I hope they do sell out at this price
legendary
Activity: 1064
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You can buy a BFL minirig for 500 btc, and delivery would probably be in the same timeframe.
You can "buy" one, yes. But you are not going to get any ROI, because no working BFL ASIC hardware exists.
Avalon does exist and currently running units get an insane ROI.

A bit naive, don't you think? It's clear that BFL has been developing hardware..don't let their incompetence cloud your judgment. Anyway, we're not here to talk about BFL..this is an Avalon thread silly. Wink

Seriously though, people really don't have a problem paying $7,000 for a 600w+ 80GH/s device? I also find it kind of funny that the buyers from Batch #1 paid the lowest price and are making the highest return on their investment. The Batch #2 price hike was expected...it was kind of like the "Fuck you, we're legit and you missed out on the first round".

But to triple the price for Batch #3 sort of solidifies the initial notion that they are indeed using preorder funds to complete the previous orders (it also fully explains why they "shipped" 2 months ago and are still behind on their first shipment). I imagine after selling out of Batch #3 they'll have enough money to get everything back on track again (financially anyways).
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Price seems pretty high.
Don't think they mentioned the total number of units they will be selling in batch #3... anyone know about it?

it doesn't really matter, no one in their right mind is going to pay ~90+ btc for one unit.

You can buy a BFL minirig for 500 btc, and delivery would probably be in the same timeframe.


Mathematically, the profit is there. Even if the difficulty rises by 15 to 20x in the next 1 year, Avalons would be profitable at a price of 1.35BTC per GH.
donator
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You can buy a BFL minirig for 500 btc, and delivery would probably be in the same timeframe.
You can "buy" one, yes. But you are not going to get any ROI, because no working BFL ASIC hardware exists.
Avalon does exist and currently running units get an insane ROI.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
ALGORY.io Crowdsale starts on 8/12/2017
there is already an update:

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3,价格会明显提高。新价格基于对于合理ROI的预期而制定。视不同配置,价格在88BTC至115BTC之间,不含运费。按照360人民币=1BTC的汇率,本次的人民币价格在31680至41400人民币之间,运费另计。


price is about 88BTC-115BTC, 1BTC= 360RMB,SO the batch3# avalon price is 31680-41400 RMB (5000-6666 USD) .

how much is the hashing speed of this?

thanks

3-module(~67 GH, 64 GH guaranteed): 88 BTC
4-module(~89 GH, 85 GH guaranteed): 115 BTC
I think.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 500
Price seems pretty high.
Don't think they mentioned the total number of units they will be selling in batch #3... anyone know about it?

it doesn't really matter, no one in their right mind is going to pay ~90+ btc for one unit.

You can buy a BFL minirig for 500 btc, and delivery would probably be in the same timeframe.
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Price seems pretty high.
Don't think they mentioned the total number of units they will be selling in batch #3... anyone know about it?

600
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Price seems pretty high.
Don't think they mentioned the total number of units they will be selling in batch #3... anyone know about it?
hero member
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Pretty outrageous stuff.
sr. member
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what a rippoff hope bfl comes out soon

the bitcoin price is already going up and they expect 88btc without a psu
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