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HeavyMetal

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Quote from: myrkul on August 30, 2012, 05:43:35 PM

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, any electronic communication that isn't encrypted will be read by a 3rd party at some point. Assuming otherwise is like thinking the message on the postcard you sent Grandma is private, too.

There is a difference between avoiding unauthorized interception of traffic and an ongoing policy of authorized interception. The former you assume to happen, the latter should be very clearly made known.

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Quote from: HeavyMetal on August 30, 2012, 05:37:50 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 30, 2012, 02:52:57 AM

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This post is sufficient for a court to reject any claims of protections based on USC § 230¹.

The forum isn't based in the US.

Legality aside, decency would suggest you should put a notice on the "private message" page stating that the messages are not private and may be read by moderators. As it stands it gives the impression it is only between the two involved parties.

Not disputing your right to read the messages, but it needs to be clear to people that this is the case when they go to send a message.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, any electronic communication that isn't encrypted will be read by a 3rd party at some point. Assuming otherwise is like thinking the message on the postcard you sent Grandma is private, too.

HeavyMetal

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Quote from: theymos on August 30, 2012, 02:52:57 AM

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This post is sufficient for a court to reject any claims of protections based on USC § 230¹.

The forum isn't based in the US.

Legality aside, decency would suggest you should put a notice on the "private message" page stating that the messages are not private and may be read by moderators. As it stands it gives the impression it is only between the two involved parties.

Not disputing your right to read the messages, but it needs to be clear to people that this is the case when they go to send a message.

bitlane

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Quote from: myrkul on August 30, 2012, 05:29:49 PM

+1 Pirate is a hero.

Exactly, right ?

Can I honestly blame him for trying to grow my measly existing 2600+ BTC in my BTCST account, into a Million, over time ?

He's a HERO not a SCAMMER.

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Quote from: bitlane on August 30, 2012, 05:20:03 PM

I think that Pirate is simply holding our investments in Trust, so that they can accrue the most interest prior to paying them back to us....so we can enjoy them more.

He is actually doing us a favor and shouldn't be attacked for helping us. Look at how many BTC would be for sale if he paid us back already.

He is simply trying to stabilize the market for us.

+1 Pirate is a hero.

bitlane

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I think that Pirate is simply holding our investments in Trust, so that they can accrue the most interest prior to paying them back to us....so we can enjoy them more.

He is actually doing us a favor and shouldn't be attacked for helping us. Look at how many BTC would be for sale if he paid us back already.

He is simply trying to stabilize the market for us.

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Quote from: imsaguy on August 30, 2012, 05:01:14 PM

Quote from: theymos on August 30, 2012, 03:29:58 PM

Quote from: Vod on August 30, 2012, 12:45:15 PM

What is the limit? Zhou Tong stole close to half a million dollars, but you actually took steps to make sure his privacy was protected.

Zhou Tong hasn't been proven to be guilty yet, and the Bitcoinica people have started legal processes to pay back the BTC. If pirateat40 doesn't work toward paying back within a few months, his case will be very clear.

They're both seeming to be scams, but pirate's not been 'proven' to be a scam any more than zhou tong has 'proven' he wasn't the hacker.

That's the difference (bolded, above). If/when Pirate pays back, the possibility of his PMs coming out will go off the table.

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Don't send me a pm unless you gpg encrypt it.

Quote from: theymos on August 30, 2012, 03:29:58 PM

Quote from: Vod on August 30, 2012, 12:45:15 PM

What is the limit? Zhou Tong stole close to half a million dollars, but you actually took steps to make sure his privacy was protected.

Zhou Tong hasn't been proven to be guilty yet, and the Bitcoinica people have started legal processes to pay back the BTC. If pirateat40 doesn't work toward paying back within a few months, his case will be very clear.

They're both seeming to be scams, but pirate's not been 'proven' to be a scam any more than zhou tong has 'proven' he wasn't the hacker.

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Quote from: theymos on August 30, 2012, 03:29:58 PM

Quote from: Vod on August 30, 2012, 12:45:15 PM

What is the limit? Zhou Tong stole close to half a million dollars, but you actually took steps to make sure his privacy was protected.

Zhou Tong hasn't been proven to be guilty yet, and the Bitcoinica people have started legal processes to pay back the BTC. If pirateat40 doesn't work toward paying back within a few months, his case will be very clear.

Theymos, Zhou Tong AGREED to the evidence against him, but claimed he was framed. He never produced any proof of a third party. That makes him guilty in most world courts - mind you, courts haven't been "paid off".

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Quote from: Vod on August 30, 2012, 12:45:15 PM

What is the limit? Zhou Tong stole close to half a million dollars, but you actually took steps to make sure his privacy was protected.

Zhou Tong hasn't been proven to be guilty yet, and the Bitcoinica people have started legal processes to pay back the BTC. If pirateat40 doesn't work toward paying back within a few months, his case will be very clear.

bitlane

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If you're not going to get entertaining and flamey again, I'm going to have to put you back on ignore so you can keep your numbers up. Cry

What do you call what I have been doing with you then ?

ps. Although I only quoted a portion of your post, I read it in it's entirety, so feel free to delete it now.

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Do you have the logs from that chat?

bitlane

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I am sure both you (reeses) and gigavps will have fun flying to Texas to watch Breaking Bad with Pirate and get drunk when this is all said and done.

Just make sure to continue trying to legally advise him, explain the 'context' of his IRC posts and guard his corporate shield !

You better go back and have a look at the recently posted IRC logs. It's clear that you have a hard-on for Trendon.

Vladimir

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If privacy of other party (i.e. not pirate) is a concern for mods I hereby grant admins of this forum permission to publish all 3 PM (2 in, 1 out) between myself and pirateat40. (assuming pirate's permission is not required by the mods or they have it)

Not much interesting there, however. Just what I consider/guess a standard initial approach to recruit shills/marks along the lines of "I respect your posts, I am just pushing envelope here and doing some secret stuff that I cannot disclose yadayadayada..." with my noncommittal response.

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I would like to see pirate's ip addresses and PMs made public. If there are concerns about of the privacy of his (perhaps unwitting) co-conspirators, the names of senders and recipients could be redacted.

bitlane

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Not a smart move. Keep in mind that deleting your posts or backups at this point will compound your potential trouble.

Nice one reeses.

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Anyway website is located somewhere in the middle of the us, hosted with softlayer.
Guessed by latency, looked the traceroute like 1 year ago...

Remember megaupload?

Vod

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Quote from: theymos on August 29, 2012, 10:20:09 PM

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You are going to make PMs public or give it to the police?

I will give them to the police if the police ask for them. Otherwise, I may post them publicly to help people find Pirate and obtain justice.

Pirates are hostis humani generis. Wink

I'm not going to preserve the privacy of someone who stole 500,000 BTC.

What is the limit? Zhou Tong stole close to half a million dollars, but you actually took steps to make sure his privacy was protected.

In unrelated news, Zhou Tong donated a large amount of money to this forum.

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Quote from: theymos on August 28, 2012, 11:41:05 PM

BTW, the forum has lots of good IP addresses logged for pirateat40 (he never used Tor) and 4077 PMs to/from him. This should help the investigation. I'd prefer to release this stuff privately to police, though I may release it publicly in a few months if no police officers contact me about it.

I suppose MtGox has Pirate's real identity...

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Quote from: cedivad on August 30, 2012, 09:41:47 AM

Internet and law has always been a pain. You have to comply with every single law in every single country that your website is accessible from, and, let me say it, it won't happen.

And I hate all of this Americanism.

this is an american site.

Quote from: theymos on August 30, 2012, 02:52:57 AM

The forum isn't based in the US.

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