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November 15, 2024, 12:39:53 PM
Satoshi's identity doesn't matter because Bitcoin is open source. 

The best thing Satoshi did was start bitcoin. The second best thing he did was walk off into the sunset and let bitcoin be decentralized.
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November 15, 2024, 09:27:19 AM
Those who claim or who are claimed to be Satoshi only want to get a sensation and profit when they are considered and believed to be the truth no more than that, because in the end even if Satoshi is really revealed, everything will remain the same where bitcoin will continue to run as it should without being prevented or intervened by anything so that in this case what they want (who claims Satoshi) is just a sensation so that they get more benefits from their recognition.

I personally don't really care about that because I think taking care of so many faketoshi is now so draining that I prefer to think of it only as entertainment because when taken seriously they will try to convince more with the nonsense that they are really satoshi.



Quite surprising to me how influential Satoshi is, even in 2024, and he’s still brought up. I agree with the part about him being used more for entertainment now, mostly for clout by dragging other celebrities or famous people into the conversation. It’s almost like he’s become a myth that people latch onto his name to add mystery or credibility. At this point, it feels like the real Satoshi story is less about who he is and more about the history that he’s left behind.
Of course Satoshi will still be a big influence because after all if there is no Satoshi then there will be no bitcoin today so any form of activity that tries to be associated with Satoshi will definitely be a situation that can become hot especially with some of those who claim themselves Satoshi because apart from many who will question the truth (even though it is certainly not true) there will be some people who will consider this as a joke or in some others feel insulted because Satoshi is juxtaposed or claimed by that person.
So in the end this will still provide a situation where a lot of reactions will be created when someone claims they are Satoshi.

I personally find this entertaining because I think it is a funny thing where there will always be people who consider themselves Satoshi even though in the end there will not be many people who will believe it but are still confident in claims that they cannot prove.
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November 15, 2024, 03:34:16 AM
There are many things that need to be differentiated, first some bitcoiners want to know Satoshi's identity just to see him, kill curiosity and to thank him, but it doesn't make sense to do so, why? The elite would kill him because he is the only one who has done something to make the economy that is known as traditional look ridiculous with all its flaws among the most prominent is inflation.

This is not as serious as you think because since the advent of bitcoin, our traditional economy looks outdated and old compared to bitcoin but as you can see, people still depend on it and still use it despite its many disadvantages. Even the elites are the ones who benefit the most from bitcoin because they use it as an investment to make profits, so I don't think the elites would harm him if they knew his real identity.

Bitcoin is not the only inflation hedge in the world, we also have gold, real estate... and many other assets before bitcoin appeared.

...I think that the enemies of bitcoin are in the governments and in the large corporations that want the btc to go to zero, which is almost impossible.


Why do governments and big corporations want BTC to go to zero when they are also investing in it? Blackrock is investing billions of dollars in bitcoin, the US government is holding over 200kBTC...they don't want bitcoin to go to zero or disappear like you said. Please do not spread Fuds and cause misunderstanding between the government and bitcoin.
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November 15, 2024, 01:50:09 AM
You hit the nail on the head! The relentless pursuit of Satoshi's identity misses the point entirely. Bitcoin's true strength lies in its decentralized nature, and that includes the anonymity of its creator.
Focusing on Satoshi's identity detracts from the real value of Bitcoin: its potential to revolutionize finance and empower individuals. True Bitcoiners understand that privacy is fundamental to the system's integrity and its ability to thrive.
Let's celebrate the power of Bitcoin, not the mystery of its origin. The technology itself is the real story.
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November 14, 2024, 01:00:01 PM
Those people that I can say that they are the enemies of Bitcoin where are the people who criticize Bitcoin but people who be at the name of satoshi nakamoto they are not the enemies of Bitcoin because is the name of someone that invented Bitcoin and they have the passion on it that is why they are bearing such name but for me I don't think that is advisable to be a such we have other names that is related to cryptocurrency you can accept as a name but bearing Bitcoin founder as a name I don't think that is encouraging from my own understanding so but that is not what to make us to conclude but there are the enemies of Bitcoin on my own idea I don't think that there are enemies of Bitcoin because if they are enemy they cannot reasn to bear such name
Before, I see the people that criticize Bitcoin as the enemies but they're not the real enemies. But if we cherry pick those that are pretending to be satoshi, there could be the real enemy in there. Like with CSW, he's a real enemy because he never stops doing his thing against those people that are enthusiastic about Bitcoin and those real people that have a contribution in the project. It's tiring to read your sentence mate because you don't use periods, you have to breath some air and pause.
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November 13, 2024, 09:08:03 PM
There are many things that need to be differentiated, first some bitcoiners want to know Satoshi's identity just to see him, kill curiosity and to thank him, but it doesn't make sense to do so, why? The elite would kill him because he is the only one who has done something to make the economy that is known as traditional look ridiculous with all its flaws among the most prominent is inflation.

Privacy? This is something that can be a cause for much discussion, unless you do not reveal your data when you send or receive they should not know who you are, but BTC is not a privacy currency, it allows to be tracked, I would not classify that as enemies of bitcoin, I think that the enemies of bitcoin are in the governments and in the large corporations that want the btc to go to zero, which is almost impossible.
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November 13, 2024, 10:27:56 AM
like i have stated before,the real enemy of bitcoin is the government.the government hates what they can't control so i think the more bitcoin continues rising they will want to know more about its origins and how to control it.
i'm also among the group of individuals who believe that satoshi is not an individual but a group or even an organization so its never going to be possible to know who he is cause its not a person.even if one of the founders of bitcoin is found it doesn't still change anything.the government will probably interrogate and threaten the individual to try to get information and i still feel it won't work because those who invented bitcoin thought of all the loopholes and closed it so i'm sure that no matter whatever enemy bitcoin might have they won't prevail.

Unless Satoshi, whether it's an individual or a group, decides to come out in public and reveal their identity, no one, even governments around the world, can find their real identity because they left no marks or signals that could lead anyone to them and that is one of the reasons why Bitcoin is so popular because people know there is no one controlling it which isn't the case with fiat currencies or traditional financial institutions because they are completely under the control of central authorities.

They don't like it, obviously, because as you said, they know it promotes decentralization and they don't want that. If a government loses control over the financial holdings of its citizen it basically loses control over them because you can only make someone obey you if you have some sort of control over them. If people start using Bitcoin to store their money or save money, traditional financial systems will be finished.
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November 12, 2024, 12:23:47 PM
Those people that I can say that they are the enemies of Bitcoin where are the people who criticize Bitcoin but people who be at the name of satoshi nakamoto they are not the enemies of Bitcoin because is the name of someone that invented Bitcoin and they have the passion on it that is why they are bearing such name but for me I don't think that is advisable to be a such we have other names that is related to cryptocurrency you can accept as a name but bearing Bitcoin founder as a name I don't think that is encouraging from my own understanding so but that is not what to make us to conclude but there are the enemies of Bitcoin on my own idea I don't think that there are enemies of Bitcoin because if they are enemy they cannot reasn to bear such name
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November 12, 2024, 06:26:49 AM
By using transactions normally, it will probably be public and easy to track.
But of course, by using the Mixer platform on Bitcoin transactions, it will better disguise transactions with thousands of random transactions so that it will not be easy to track, so that the anonymity of the Bitcoin owner can still be disguised. 

Yes, that's actually what is called Privacy, there is no interference from a third party over the management of the digital assets we have on Bitcoin.
A wallet that we make ourselves with the key that we hold without anyone but the owner of the key can open it.
Decentralized, Your Wallet is your coins and only you can manage it.

Of course. You can always obtain privacy on Bitcoin via external protocols and/or third-party applications. By itself, Bitcoin is pseudonymous. Transactions can be linked to your identity if governments do a little "digging" on the Blockchain. Like I've said before, Bitcoin's real enemy is the government. Why? Because it's the one that constantly brings obstacles to prevent Bitcoin from growing or expanding to a wider audience. Even in crypto-friendly countries such as the US and UK, regulations prevent Bitcoin from unlocking its full potential.

If governments allowed Bitcoin to be "free" (as in liberty), people won't feel the need to use Fiat currencies anymore. Do they want this to happen? Of course not! Satoshi knew the risks of creating an alternative currency like Bitcoin, so he decided to remain anonymous for the good of the project. I sure hope his identity stays that way forever. Cheesy
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November 11, 2024, 12:27:08 PM
like i have stated before,the real enemy of bitcoin is the government.the government hates what they can't control so i think the more bitcoin continues rising they will want to know more about its origins and how to control it.
i'm also among the group of individuals who believe that satoshi is not an individual but a group or even an organization so its never going to be possible to know who he is cause its not a person.even if one of the founders of bitcoin is found it doesn't still change anything.the government will probably interrogate and threaten the individual to try to get information and i still feel it won't work because those who invented bitcoin thought of all the loopholes and closed it so i'm sure that no matter whatever enemy bitcoin might have they won't prevail.
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November 11, 2024, 11:43:26 AM
The real enemy of Bitcoin is the subversion of its nature. That is, to get away from decentralization and to introduce centralized measures in order to allow people to use it. Governments have been doing this through regulations, while propaganda does it through promoting easiness and accessibility, so people end asking for centralization and getting happy and triggered the more centralized Bitcoin usage becomes.

There are even those who cheer when they see Bitcoin attached to central figures of power, as if Bitcoin needed a special adopter in order to continue increasing in adoption. This situation is heavily harmful to Bitcoin as we are going to see during the following years. I believe many enthusiasts will feel wishful of past days once this time comes. Days where Bitcoin was freely used by anyone, without great interest and surveillance from the government over it.
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November 11, 2024, 06:13:09 AM
I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.
Does it really matter wanting to know who Satoshi is, we should be happy about the financial freedom he brought to us, saving us from this present economy hardship we are facing globally, what will be the outcome if his identity is finally reveal,is it going to dip or pump the price of Bitcoin,there are somethings that are better left unknown than known.
We are suppose to be thinking of how to make Bitcoin circulate round the world and achieve it's purpose, when Satoshi created Bitcoin,he never wanted to know the identify of any one,but rather focused on the well being of our future, financial liberty, autonomous and freedom of digital transactions, therefore knowing his identity should be the list of anyone's problem, rather,we should achieve  what Satoshi wants us to achieve,i think he will be happy wherever he his.
Everything about Bitcoin has been revealed to us I don't think there is still anything we would want to know that we have not been told.
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November 10, 2024, 09:02:43 PM
I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.
this is one of the things that get me confused about people who claim to be in satoshi nakamoto so if those people somebody address them as satoshi nakamoto what will be the benefit can them solve the problem of Bitcoin if everyone accept them as a satoshi who is the founder of Bitcoin so I don't know why some people always act strange even some people correctly want to be like Satoshi, I don't know what they have in mind to claim so, for me theirs no benefit to bear a name of someone you don't know and I have seen the reason why people want to know satoshi, so the disappearance of satoshi is what kept bitcoin valid
Those who claim or who are claimed to be Satoshi only want to get a sensation and profit when they are considered and believed to be the truth no more than that, because in the end even if Satoshi is really revealed, everything will remain the same where bitcoin will continue to run as it should without being prevented or intervened by anything so that in this case what they want (who claims Satoshi) is just a sensation so that they get more benefits from their recognition.

I personally don't really care about that because I think taking care of so many faketoshi is now so draining that I prefer to think of it only as entertainment because when taken seriously they will try to convince more with the nonsense that they are really satoshi.



Quite surprising to me how influential Satoshi is, even in 2024, and he’s still brought up. I agree with the part about him being used more for entertainment now, mostly for clout by dragging other celebrities or famous people into the conversation. It’s almost like he’s become a myth that people latch onto his name to add mystery or credibility. At this point, it feels like the real Satoshi story is less about who he is and more about the history that he’s left behind.
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November 10, 2024, 08:17:35 PM
Bitcoin has changed over the years. The real enemy of Bitcoin is different than it used to be. Watch this video to find out who the real enemy is, both of Bitcoin, and of a whole lot of other things.


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November 10, 2024, 04:50:50 PM
I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.
this is one of the things that get me confused about people who claim to be in satoshi nakamoto so if those people somebody address them as satoshi nakamoto what will be the benefit can them solve the problem of Bitcoin if everyone accept them as a satoshi who is the founder of Bitcoin so I don't know why some people always act strange even some people correctly want to be like Satoshi, I don't know what they have in mind to claim so, for me theirs no benefit to bear a name of someone you don't know and I have seen the reason why people want to know satoshi, so the disappearance of satoshi is what kept bitcoin valid
Those who claim or who are claimed to be Satoshi only want to get a sensation and profit when they are considered and believed to be the truth no more than that, because in the end even if Satoshi is really revealed, everything will remain the same where bitcoin will continue to run as it should without being prevented or intervened by anything so that in this case what they want (who claims Satoshi) is just a sensation so that they get more benefits from their recognition.

I personally don't really care about that because I think taking care of so many faketoshi is now so draining that I prefer to think of it only as entertainment because when taken seriously they will try to convince more with the nonsense that they are really satoshi.

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November 10, 2024, 04:33:54 PM
I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.
It is not important to know the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto because we know that Bitcoin is a decentralized currency with no regulator. Moreover, Bitcoin is completely independent and does not require any privacy. But if someone makes a mistake in holding it is due to his personal mistake.

I think it has no enemies. If we lose Bitcoin due to our inadequacy of knowledge, we have no chance to call Bitcoin enemies but ourselves to blame. Bitcoin has no enemies. It runs independently. No one has seen or been able to identify Satoshi with certainty. If for some reason Satoshi's identity is revealed, then there is no problem with Bitcoin. In that case most provably Bitcoin price will be bearish for long time and that can effect on Bitcoin price only.
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November 10, 2024, 01:54:02 PM
I don't think Bitcoin has an enemy, and I don't think creating imaginary enemies helps anyone.
Trying to find Satoshi is what a lot of people have been doing for years because people are naturally curious about who created this technology. I don't think it will be proven who Satoshi is. Even if it was known, it wouldn't change anything.

Satoshi may not be someone we are thinking of him to be ,Even if we agree that the identity of Satoshi today to be revealed to the whole world, there's a possibility that it could be very dangerous for him or the Bitcoin privacy , there's stil a possibility that Satoshi has nothing to do with bitcoin security and privacy.

We might think that Satoshi is just a person but the world Satoshi might be a name for a group of programmers that initiated the establishment of blockchain and Bitcoin in particular. Those things we don't know is far bigger than what we know so we shouldn't just assume that the name "Satoshi  Nakamoto" is for a single person. If Satoshi Nakamoto is eventually exposed, this will affect the general crypto market include all the altcoins in the market because investors would have to sell all there assets because of the fear that the crypto market is going to collapse. There is more to what we already know about Satoshi which can never be disclosed to the general public.
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November 10, 2024, 12:33:30 AM
I don't think Bitcoin has an enemy, and I don't think creating imaginary enemies helps anyone.
Trying to find Satoshi is what a lot of people have been doing for years because people are naturally curious about who created this technology. I don't think it will be proven who Satoshi is. Even if it was known, it wouldn't change anything.

Satoshi may not be someone we are thinking of him to be ,Even if we agree that the identity of Satoshi today to be revealed to the whole world, there's a possibility that it could be very dangerous for him or the Bitcoin privacy , there's stil a possibility that Satoshi has nothing to do with bitcoin security and privacy.
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November 09, 2024, 09:24:51 PM
What do you mean by 'the privacy of BTC', BTC is not a privacy coin

You are confusing privacy with anonymity.

Bitcoin indeed is a privacy coin. But that does not mean it is going to be an anonymity coin, since every transaction is public and traceable.

What privacy means is that you can hold Bitcoin in your own private wallet, without a third party having access or control over any part of it.
I am not confusing anything. BTC is not a privacy coin, there is no privacy at the protocol level and privacy can only be achieved when you use privacy solutions and run your own node.

The feature you are talking about fits better with decentralization and censorship resistance, were you are your own bank and control your own funds without any help from a third party or central authority.
Privacy on the sense that you could be able to get a hold of your funds without needing any service or centralized platform on which this is really that totally that could be also considered to be anonymous too on which we know that addresses couldnt really be able to exposed on that owners identity but we do know that every transactions on chain could really be able to see on which this will really be that resulting on having that kind of tracing and on the moment or time that those coins been passed into any centralized platform and if it happens that the account is really that verified then this is the moment that it will really be that traced out on whose the owner of the said coin. This is where it is really that called pseudonymous because its not really that totally cant be tracked or simply being anonymous. There's really that fine line in between those words and thats why it cant be considered out completely. It will really be just that depending on a certain individual on how to deal up with things accordingly or according or depending on the need.
It will really be just that important that you should really be that knowing on how it works and on what are the potential exposure of your identity once you do touch up these centralized platforms.
ITs something inevitable on using up exchagers or any services that able to ask for some verification from converion of your crypto into fiat.
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November 09, 2024, 02:43:22 PM
Anyone investing in bitcoin is interested in the technology and the idea behind it, if they weren't interested they wouldn't have chosen it. but humans are curious, love to explore and want to know everything, so it's no surprise that many people want to know which great mind created bitcoin.

I think the intrest will even come before any other thing then after having intrest then you can start investing a lot of people don't bother when it comes to investing, the technology is exceptional and it looks pretty okay for people with zero business idea to invest in, has far as you can be patient enough then their is no issue, then you are okay and ready to invest because their is a lot of factor that is discouraging people from investing into bitcoin and that is because they don't have the right knowledge, when they have the right idea then they will be able to do the right thing.

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Honestly, we all care about Satoshi's real identity but we understand that if his identity is revealed it would be very dangerous for him or bitcoin. So many people choose to ignore it, pretending not to care because they understand that it will be good for him and good for bitcoin.

Satoshi identity is not somthing that people are suppose to be worrying about because the main thing to focus on is not more than the investment it self but people are curious and I don't know why because, satoshi is not suppose to be their problem, and I love the fact that satoshi is unknown because their would have been a lot of problems by now actually.
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