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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 07, 2024, 12:07:18 PM

Quote from: Z-tight on October 18, 2024, 04:54:41 PM

What do you mean by 'the privacy of BTC', BTC is not a privacy coin

You are confusing privacy with anonymity.

Bitcoin indeed is a privacy coin. But that does not mean it is going to be an anonymity coin, since every transaction is public and traceable.

What privacy means is that you can hold Bitcoin in your own private wallet, without a third party having access or control over any part of it.

I am not confusing anything. BTC is not a privacy coin, there is no privacy at the protocol level and privacy can only be achieved when you use privacy solutions and run your own node.

The feature you are talking about fits better with decentralization and censorship resistance, were you are your own bank and control your own funds without any help from a third party or central authority.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 07, 2024, 12:07:18 PM

You are confusing privacy with anonymity.

Bitcoin indeed is a privacy coin. But that does not mean it is going to be an anonymity coin, since every transaction is public and traceable.

What privacy means is that you can hold Bitcoin in your own private wallet, without a third party having access or control over any part of it.

Bitcoin is private towards its arrangement. Why do we always make Bitcoin as priority in the space? Probably because it cause traffic in the space and have become an essential means of making down hugs gains for traders, investors that are well acquainted with the space. Cryptocurrency is the real picture of the world because it inculcate very important piece of information that would transform the world today. We've encountered top projects that are placed on stable features that will either drain us or makes us smile at the end. Bitcoin is important for an investor in the space because it's the top project available. It brings so much key values to portfolio because it's very tactical changes.

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Quote from: Sobz on October 18, 2024, 03:37:32 PM

I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.

this is one of the things that get me confused about people who claim to be in satoshi nakamoto so if those people somebody address them as satoshi nakamoto what will be the benefit can them solve the problem of Bitcoin if everyone accept them as a satoshi who is the founder of Bitcoin so I don't know why some people always act strange even some people correctly want to be like Satoshi, I don't know what they have in mind to claim so, for me theirs no benefit to bear a name of someone you don't know and I have seen the reason why people want to know satoshi, so the disappearance of satoshi is what kept bitcoin valid

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on November 07, 2024, 12:07:18 PM

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Bitcoin indeed is a privacy coin. But that does not mean it is going to be an anonymity coin, since every transaction is public and traceable.

What privacy means is that you can hold Bitcoin in your own private wallet, without a third party having access or control over any part of it.

By using transactions normally, it will probably be public and easy to track.
But of course, by using the Mixer platform on Bitcoin transactions, it will better disguise transactions with thousands of random transactions so that it will not be easy to track, so that the anonymity of the Bitcoin owner can still be disguised.

Yes, that's actually what is called Privacy, there is no interference from a third party over the management of the digital assets we have on Bitcoin.
A wallet that we make ourselves with the key that we hold without anyone but the owner of the key can open it.
Decentralized, Your Wallet is your coins and only you can manage it.

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Quote from: Z-tight on October 18, 2024, 04:54:41 PM

What do you mean by 'the privacy of BTC', BTC is not a privacy coin

You are confusing privacy with anonymity.

Bitcoin indeed is a privacy coin. But that does not mean it is going to be an anonymity coin, since every transaction is public and traceable.

What privacy means is that you can hold Bitcoin in your own private wallet, without a third party having access or control over any part of it.

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Quote from: Sobz on October 18, 2024, 03:37:32 PM

I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.

Even if we agree that the identity of Satoshi today be revealed to the world, that has nothing to do with bitcoin security and privacy, as long as the network works in consensus together with its protocols, no glitches and no regret because of the immutability found in bitcoin network with the use of the blockchain technology, bitcoin has all we want regarding privacy and this does not only include the financial economy we deals with, but how we have our own personal information being secured with the network.

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Quote from: Sobz on October 18, 2024, 03:37:32 PM

I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.

Why can't real Bitcoiners have time to search for to know who Satoshi is? Does being a real Bitcoin mean that you are occupied 24/7? And how long is gonna search take? 1 year? It's one minute job.
The real enemies of Bitcoin are those who want to take away decentralization from it, those who want to censorship it.

Quote from: retreat on November 02, 2024, 02:31:42 AM

Bitcoin privacy itself is a core feature that is built into the protocol and it cannot be compromised, even if someone manages to crack Satoshi's identity (which is quite impossible). Moreover, people who want to try to crack Bitcoin's identity are not Bitcoin's enemies, because it is human nature to be curious about everything, but whether they succeed in cracking it or not is another matter, and it seems that it will only waste their time.

Privacy is the core feature of Monero, not Bitcoin. Your privacy can be compromised if you use Bitcoin, blockchain analysis is way more advanced today than it was a decade ago. Bitcoin was created to offer P2P payment, without relying on 3rd parties. Bitcoin's core feature is also centralization.

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Quote from: retreat on November 02, 2024, 02:31:42 AM

Bitcoin privacy and Satoshi's identity are two different things. Bitcoin privacy itself is a core feature that is built into the protocol and it cannot be compromised, even if someone manages to crack Satoshi's identity (which is quite impossible). Moreover, people who want to try to crack Bitcoin's identity are not Bitcoin's enemies, because it is human nature to be curious about everything, but whether they succeed in cracking it or not is another matter, and it seems that it will only waste their time.

What privacy? Bitcoin doesn't have any privacy features. Unless I'm missing something? Satoshi's identity is anonymous for a reason. He wanted to protect Bitcoin from the government. Exposing the identity of Bitcoin's creator would bring many risks to the longevity of the project. At least in the early days. If Satoshi was revealed back then, governments would've easily prosecuted him until they force him to shut down Bitcoin for good. Now that it's widespread enough around the world (distributed and decentralized), this would be nothing more than impossible.

At this point, I would assume Satoshi is nothing but dead. Let's just focus on what matters most. And that's helping scale Bitcoin towards millions of people worldwide. Tackling volatility and scaling issues should be the #1 priority of the community. Not uncovering Satoshi's identity. The media only wants to bring unwanted attention. We would be stupid enough to fall into this scheme. Unless Satoshi's identity is proven with a transaction on the Blockchain (or the signing of Satoshi's original Bitcoin addresses), everything else would be nothing but pure BS. Cheesy

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Quote from: Iranus on October 18, 2024, 09:39:45 PM

Quote from: Perfectbaby on October 18, 2024, 05:13:11 PM

Hey sir, with all respect don't you think it would hamper the overall growth of Bitcoin, maybe after which the identity is reveal it would be under threat of government to have a general control over bitcoin to make it remains centralized instead of decentralized. The solidity of bitcoin was the result of anonymousness of Satoshi, with that people develop much more interest to invest in bitcoin.

And Yes people should be worried where and how their money is going because it's a thing of concerned sinking money into an ocean we don't know about depths, still even as that they do not mind to know about him and yet they solidly rely on it.

Satoshi is the creator of bitcoin but he cannot control bitcoin, bitcoin is not centralized and depends on a single individual. He created bitcoin and gave control to the community, any changes to bitcoin require the consensus of the entire community, no individual can decide on behalf of the entire community. If he wants to change anything related to bitcoin, he needs to propose it and it needs a community vote, so his reappearance won't change what's going on. People are afraid of his identity being revealed, mostly out of concern for his safety rather than fear that bitcoin will be in trouble if his identity is revealed. Or many people want to know his identity out of curiosity as EFS said.

For the fact that Satoshi is unknown up till date shouldn't demonstrate or represent fear amongst Bitcoin users.Its clearly all over that Bitcoin doesn't need Satoshi's presence to function or normalize transactions.Bitcoin and Satoshi are two different things pertaining to Bitcoin already.However,the focus should be laid on initiating and promoting the real gains in Bitcoin.All of these things were mentioned beforehand there's also no need to Regret or harbor hatred against anyone.

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Quote from: Sobz on October 18, 2024, 03:37:32 PM

I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.

Bitcoin privacy and Satoshi's identity are two different things. Bitcoin privacy itself is a core feature that is built into the protocol and it cannot be compromised, even if someone manages to crack Satoshi's identity (which is quite impossible). Moreover, people who want to try to crack Bitcoin's identity are not Bitcoin's enemies, because it is human nature to be curious about everything, but whether they succeed in cracking it or not is another matter, and it seems that it will only waste their time.

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Quote from: Onyeeze on October 23, 2024, 02:24:06 PM

Satoshi knows the reason why is silent and he doesn't want anyone to know his way about, I believe that Satoshi that when Satoshi launched bitcoin in 2009 their was attacked by government that makes he to be in secret, if government notice the formular of bitcoin, I think they will destroy bitcoin, and if government seems Satoshi they will get him arrested and that's why Satoshi lives in secret so that he will not face any trial by the government, because from the day1 bitcoin was launched many nations kicked against bitcoin because they taught that bitcoin will be use for money laundering and their own currencies will not be valid since bitcoin is existing

people will always ask a question like "who satoshi is?"? or "who own those bitcoin addresses?" in an attempt to fit bitcoin into the traditional models of ownership and control. But that's precisely the point- Bitcoin doesn't have a leader
or a central owner. It belongs to everyone and no one at the same time.
it's all started with the message that satoshi embedded in the very first block of bitcoin; "The times 03/jan/2009 chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks" this mighty a clue that central banks and government are the only enemy of bitcoin from starting who doesn't want to change the old traditional fiat system.

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Quote from: Lida93 on October 28, 2024, 11:22:25 AM

They probably digging for the inventor since they haven't made success in destroying the invention with their propagandas and theories. But I am unsure about the identity of Satoshi having any negative effects on bitcoin since its a decentralised currency. Maybe they should just place a bounty on Satoshi's head it could save them some stress. Lol.

I do believe that Satoshi's disappearance is a one kind of sacrifice he foresaw as only means to get his invention get that widespread adoption beyond anything that could have been possible of he was to be revealed. And it's just a shame to see that there are persons out there who care more about revealing his identity than getting to make good use of his invention (bitcoin) to grow wealth and have their privacy protected as well.

Exactly. Does it really matter getting to know the real identity of Bitcoin's creator? Like I've said before, there are other important things to focus on. At this point, I assume Satoshi is already dead. Why? Because it's been 13 years since his departure from the project, with no signs of activity on the Blockchain. His coins are dormant since the last time they were mined. With such high market prices, don't you think Satoshi would've cashed out by now? Or at least donate his holdings to a charity?

Even if Satoshi's identity is revealed, the only proof he's "the guy" would be signing off a message using one of his early BTC addresses. Craig failed to do it, telling us he's none other than a con artist. I'm afraid the media will keep guessing Satoshi's identity until Bitcoin is no longer a thing. What do we have to worry about?, anyways Cheesy

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Quote from: Sobz on October 18, 2024, 03:37:32 PM

I see those who are desperate to know who Satoshi is and to reveal his identity as the real enemy of bitcoin. Real bitcoiners don't have that time to go for a search to know who Satoshi is. Bitcoiner are much interested to invest bitcoin and they understand what privacy is all about. What will be the gain if you reveal who Satoshi is? It means you want the privacy of bitcoin to be reveal too.

What do they want to know Satoshi for? Anyone who wants to know more about Satoshi before believing Bitcoin is not ready to invest and can't be a member of those who know much about cryptocurrency, bitcoin is not just an investment, it is another way of planning your future, I don't think those who want to Reveal Satoshi identity are people who are interested in bitcoin, they just want the world to know about Satoshi so that some people won't trust Satoshi, the reason why I said that is because if some of us know who Satoshi is some of us will have be planning something bad that we did not even expect.

If anyone wants to see Satoshi before believing in Bitcoin means the person is not ready, when you trust what you are doing you will never worry about or doubt it, I know it is risky to believe who you have not seen before but what we need to know is that bitcoin has been introducing to the world now is more than 10 year's, something that is more than 10 year's and no one has complained about it how can't you trust it, is it not by force to invest in bitcoin, if you have a mind to buy bitcoin it is a choice.

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Quote from: betswift on October 30, 2024, 01:50:55 AM

And it's also because just of how much he would be bombarded with different questions/accusations Grin

Better yet to think that he is fine, well, and has a peaceful life after what he achieved.

I want to believe that everything is fine with this person (team). If so, then they are doing the right thing by not revealing themselves, as this will lead to sad consequences for the entire Bitcoin network. I have no doubt about that. There will always be bad people who will harm this technology. Let everything remain as it is at this point in time. Do we have the opportunity to discuss this? Yes, and thank you very much for that.

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Quote from: Tungbulu on October 30, 2024, 01:12:26 AM

Quote from: fruktik on October 30, 2024, 12:58:44 AM

Naturally, I also once had a desire to find out the identity of the person who created such a new and practically perfect technology. After a few years, for some reason, this desire simply disappears. Why is that? Most likely, there comes a moment when you understand that this is just a passing hobby, so to speak. Let everything remain as it is today.

I am surprised that there are people who still do not stop trying to find out such information. This is their right. There is nothing here that does not fit into the usual picture of the world. Curiosity drove progress forward and in our case this is quite normal.

Everyone if I’m not mistaken had those very same questions and curiosity in their mind. So it’s left for the person to decide to let it go and focus on things that really matter or continue chasing shadows. For me, I believe Satoshi had a pretty good reason for choosing to disappear and it’s best I believe if things stayed that way. Come to think of it, if Satoshi was still around till today, a lot of people may still argue the decentralized nature of Bitcoin since the creator is still around. If the creator of Bitcoin isn’t around to control the affairs of Bitcoin, then there’s definitely no one that can, since no one would really understand the technology like the one who created it. Well this I believe and other reasons contributes to why Satoshi chose to stay invisible (if he’s still on earth).

And it's also because just of how much he would be bombarded with different questions/accusations Grin

Better yet to think that he is fine, well, and has a peaceful life after what he achieved.

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Quote from: fruktik on October 30, 2024, 01:18:02 AM

To tell the truth, I am not sure that Satoshi is still alive. There is nothing to indicate this and there are no clear signs of such a fact. There have already been many discussions on this issue, but everything remains as it is at the moment. If it were different, there would be at least the slightest hints, but there simply aren’t any.

The saddest thing, and maybe even the funniest thing, is that people want to believe that the project is being monitored by its creator and begin to put forward theories that are even a little creepy.

And if he was dead, there still should be the slightest clue to prove it. The fact remains that no one knows what really happened to him, well maybe those that knows also refuse to say anything, because if he was dead, I’m sure at least one person knows about it, and if he was hiding or disappeared, there’s still someone that should’ve been aware of it too, so for there to have still been no words about his whereabouts till now, then there’s definitely a reason for that, and would be a good one, cos things just don’t happen for nothing. And I think it’s best things just stay that way.

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Quote from: fikrett on October 30, 2024, 01:19:38 AM

What is so creepy about them, though?

Personally, there may be nothing scary about this, but not for me. How many people and famous personalities can we go through that are somehow connected to the world of blockchain technology? Many facts about them are turned inside out, which are not even true at all. And there are those who begin to believe in all this nonsense. First one creator of Bitcoin, then another. But no one has direct evidence and everything is based solely on assumptions and nothing more. Why mislead people? This will clearly not lead to anything good.

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Quote from: Tungbulu on October 30, 2024, 01:12:26 AM

Everyone if I’m not mistaken had those very same questions and curiosity in their mind. So it’s left for the person to decide to let it go and focus on things that really matter or continue chasing shadows. For me, I believe Satoshi had a pretty good reason for choosing to disappear and it’s best I believe if things stayed that way. Come to think of it, if Satoshi was still around till today, a lot of people may still argue the decentralized nature of Bitcoin since the creator is still around. If the creator of Bitcoin isn’t around to control the affairs of Bitcoin, then there’s definitely no one that can, since no one would really understand the technology like the one who created it. Well this I believe and other reasons contributes to why Satoshi chose to stay invisible (if he’s still on earth).

To tell the truth, I am not sure that Satoshi is still alive. There is nothing to indicate this and there are no clear signs of such a fact. There have already been many discussions on this issue, but everything remains as it is at the moment. If it were different, there would be at least the slightest hints, but there simply aren’t any.

The saddest thing, and maybe even the funniest thing, is that people want to believe that the project is being monitored by its creator and begin to put forward theories that are even a little creepy.

What is so creepy about them, though?

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Quote from: Tungbulu on October 30, 2024, 01:12:26 AM

Everyone if I’m not mistaken had those very same questions and curiosity in their mind. So it’s left for the person to decide to let it go and focus on things that really matter or continue chasing shadows. For me, I believe Satoshi had a pretty good reason for choosing to disappear and it’s best I believe if things stayed that way. Come to think of it, if Satoshi was still around till today, a lot of people may still argue the decentralized nature of Bitcoin since the creator is still around. If the creator of Bitcoin isn’t around to control the affairs of Bitcoin, then there’s definitely no one that can, since no one would really understand the technology like the one who created it. Well this I believe and other reasons contributes to why Satoshi chose to stay invisible (if he’s still on earth).

To tell the truth, I am not sure that Satoshi is still alive. There is nothing to indicate this and there are no clear signs of such a fact. There have already been many discussions on this issue, but everything remains as it is at the moment. If it were different, there would be at least the slightest hints, but there simply aren’t any.

The saddest thing, and maybe even the funniest thing, is that people want to believe that the project is being monitored by its creator and begin to put forward theories that are even a little creepy.

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Quote from: fruktik on October 30, 2024, 12:58:44 AM

Naturally, I also once had a desire to find out the identity of the person who created such a new and practically perfect technology. After a few years, for some reason, this desire simply disappears. Why is that? Most likely, there comes a moment when you understand that this is just a passing hobby, so to speak. Let everything remain as it is today.

I am surprised that there are people who still do not stop trying to find out such information. This is their right. There is nothing here that does not fit into the usual picture of the world. Curiosity drove progress forward and in our case this is quite normal.

Everyone if I’m not mistaken had those very same questions and curiosity in their mind. So it’s left for the person to decide to let it go and focus on things that really matter or continue chasing shadows. For me, I believe Satoshi had a pretty good reason for choosing to disappear and it’s best I believe if things stayed that way. Come to think of it, if Satoshi was still around till today, a lot of people may still argue the decentralized nature of Bitcoin since the creator is still around. If the creator of Bitcoin isn’t around to control the affairs of Bitcoin, then there’s definitely no one that can, since no one would really understand the technology like the one who created it. Well this I believe and other reasons contributes to why Satoshi chose to stay invisible (if he’s still on earth).

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