Topic: The reality of Merit - page 2. (Read 768 times)

I used to think same as you that higher ranks are always the first one to receive merit or in favor of earning merit but I was wrong about it. Earning merit is not based on rank but your effort in making constructive post which is the requirement to receive merit from anyone who has available smerit.

Have you made a good posts which received no merit?
That's normal. Make a good posts again. Merits will come to you if you are a good poster, if you read before writing, etc.

Nonsense. To admit after the introduction of the Merita system, I was sure that the situation would be similar to that described by you, but in fact this did not happen.
Especially now when there is an outflow of users from the forum and a significantly reduced inflow compared to last year.

Mostly newcomers remain on the forum, which is why most of the high ranks gladly reward them with merit.
Do not judge biased, it is better to look at the newcomers who have received Merit, there are many of them.

One thing I noticed about this forum is that you get recognized well if your first posts are of great contribution on this forum. Try not to make most of your post base on bounties but try to rank up on time. You had a long break after your registration which isn't supposed to be like that.

Yeah, I go out of my way to hunt down newbies who are deserving of merit, and even have a customized patrol page bookmarked which I visit regularly to help me to do this. I have much lower expectations for meriting newbies than I do for meriting higher ranks. Basically if it seems clear the user is here for the right reasons - to learn, discuss, and contribute, and isn't spamming low value nonsense, simply repeating things which have already been said, or just trying to earn signature privileges to join a campaign - then I'm more than happy to send a merit or two their way. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that there are an awful lot of newbies who are one line spammers, just like OP.

As I always say in threads like this one, if you are coming across good posts which are going unmerited, simply post a link to them in this thread: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. There are multiple merit sources who have that thread on their watchlist and would be more than happy to send merit to deserving posts.

This is my advice whenever I see someone complaining about merit, or all the guides about "how to earn merit". If you need to follow a guide to earn merit, you are doing it wrong. If you want to earn merit, then forget merit exists. Read. Learn. Contribute. Post in topics which interest you because you have some new information to add or something interesting to say. Stop posting for the sake of post count, or a quota, or fishing for merit. Be a genuine user and merit will find you.

Nothing beats the reality of having a good grasp of knowledge on how the forum and cryptocurrency works. People are getting merits within a year because they invested their time to learn various things that are related to Bitcoin thus it leads them to the comfortability in thriving into the community without having to worry about making an unsubstantial post just to increase their post count and get paid. High-quality post comes naturally when a person is educated to a specific topic.

Be a seeker of knowledge and become a person who is a life-long learner. Then merit will follow.

Can relate to that. During the early stages, we see the signature campaigns and then force ourselves to fish for merits because it's like free money. Other than that, the appeal isn't really there.

It is definitely difficult at beginnings. Everyone do feel it challenging at their beginnings, but if they manage to go through the very first challenging phase, they will do become more familiar with merit system, and know which kind of posts can help them to earn merits. Then, they will feel very more comfortable with merit system and challenges to rank up.

Unfortunately, from the mid-ranks (Senior member and above) the challenges are significant bigger and such huge challenges can drain out their desire to rank up. This stage, ones who can maintain their habits will do successfully rank up.

How did I get them if your words are true?
I was a newbie as well earlier this year. I have earned 341 merits within less than a year. It's not that much difficult if you use the forum as usual; not for the purpose of earning merit. No matter if you are newbie or an old buddy; if you are posting some useful information, constructive & high quality, you will get merit certainly without  any doubt.

I think Merit Sources are pretty welcoming to meriting Newbies (or any other rank) providing their posts are well versed, and the content is decent enough; even applying a watered-down personal criteria for posts belonging to the lower ranks. It’s normally going to help having some posts under the belt, since posting history may be checked, especially when meriting a person for the first time. I personally took nearly 2 months to receive my first merit, so it does not necessarily need to be a fast action.

There is an interesting thread that keeps track of those that have supported Newbies specifically since September 2018, by awarding them their first merits: [TOP-200] Members who support newbies - Thanks!.

I do believe that there is a tendency to dismiss posts of new users, but if a post is of excellent quality then there are a few incentives to provide it more attention. Theymos has made it so merit sources should suggest under-appreciated posts to even apply. And merit sources also hold in their hands the weight of allowing users to rank up by distributing merit.

I'm sure that sooner or later they'll have to be more liberal in spreading their merit to new users also, if that hasn't been done already. Accumulation isn't encouraged anyway, but that maybe could be enforced more strictly.

By the way, the higher rank members have started their journey as a Newbie. How did they get the merits when they were Newbies? Do you think they got the merits just like that?

They have put a lot of efforts in earning that merits. Open the profile of any legendary member and look at their posts. You will get an idea about how they got merits.

Put some efforts and post some useful contents, you will definitely get merits. Don't expect for a merit, just be active and contribute good posts to the forum.

Speaking of making a constructive, readable and interesting post then you should take time studying and consume as much as possible knowledge on a day to day basis. Otherwise, you will end up spamming the forum and act like a crying baby if you'll just complain about the merit system. The merit system is for those people (like you) to inspire and give importance to this newest technology as well as to be not ignorant and useless in this fast-growing community.

Index to popular bitcointalk threads 2018 - This thread will give you a glimpse on how to contribute in our community and it will give you a general knowledge to the world you are entering right now altho you are not an active member of this forum. Lastly, being knowledgeable and respectful person will cause merits to find your way to reach a higher rank. READ. APPLY. SHARE

Goodluck on your journey! Invest in yourself.  

I thought the merit issue has been solved? I thought no one will ever question this method implemented by Theymos to improve the forum. I guess someone wants to question it before the end of this year. Anyway, just like you, we had a hard time ranking up from no merit to what we have become right now. You need to go with the flow, I mean getting merit is much easier than before, The main rule is don't ask for them, just do your thing and contribute to the forum as everyone does. If that happens, I'm sure everyone will appreciate your work and gives you some merit.

try telling that to the self-made member/full member/hero/legendary members of the forum and let see what tips and advice they'll give you. sure earning merits may not be easy for others(including me)
but that is not a reason to be salty or resentful to higher-ranking members of the forum. also, if you think you have a Quality post that hasn't been merited there are threads that give merit to the
posts that are worthy to be merited.

I agree with you, you are right that you do not always run behind merit. If you post good and helpful you will definitely get merit. If you post good quality interesting posts in the forums then you will certainly qualify.

Am a newbie with merit- that has already thrown your philosophy out of the window.
An oily head was once unoiled so they put in efforts and got to where they where.
You going no where until you change your idea

Here is the reality of merit system:

1.Not every constructive posts will receive merits,no matter it was made by any ranked members.

2.Only you get merits if someone learned something new and they got sMerits to spend.

3.When you got some recognization as quality poster then you will be receiving merits more often than before.

4.So keep posting and wait for your moment.

With barely any posts made as baggage, and with the content they provide, I honestly don’t see why you are complaining. All you need to do is see that most (obviously not all) merited posts have put in some time and thought into their elaboration. It’s not a rank-based matter, but rather more a content based one, and although rank may have some subliminal influence, it does by no means hinder the possibilities on lower ranks to be merited on decent content.

These are the current 31.860 profiles that have received merits at some point:

Notice that the number of merited profiles in the lower ranks is not negligible, and whilst from a perspective of proportion within each rank the numbers would shift noticeably, the knowledge on the forum and crypto, and the intent on providing decent enough content, tends to be greater in proportion as one moves through the ranks.
 
Getting some merits is not a challange. Earning a lot is. The real challange starts at mid-ranks.

You created this account in December last year, and by now has released only 9 posts totally. 3 of 9 posts released this year, one in May, and 2 in December.

Most of your posts is one line and if they are longer than one line, just a few words in the second line. Quality of post is not defined by length but most of time, one line posts are mostly low quality. To make a quality posts in short versions, you need to be very knowledgeable and good writing skills. It is not easy but it is a thing to consider for users who want to make good posts.

Most of time I see one line posts, they are released by spammers.

Since 2018, what did you contribute to prevent signature ads removed globally?
Self-made Legendary Observer - first legendaries after the merit system.

Iasenko built up his Hero member rank by himself, from scratch when merit system started. He is as same as Coolcryptovator, self-earned enough merits to become Legendary members.