The recent surge in Covid-19 is making vaccine makers to have a rethink

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Always the same kind of people sick, three times shot, sick again.

Straight talk from Dutch MEP Robert Roos about Ursula Von der Leyen's Vaccine Agenda
https://rumble.com/vr48qx-dutch-mep-robert-roos-calls-out-ursula-von-der-leyen-and-the-vaccine-agenda.html

All planed a long time ago
Fauci Project Manager Confesses to Creating Covid-19
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FHgptieNrpB2/

As if the vaccine is not bad enough, deathly home test kits
https://freeworldnews.tv/watch?id=61c0b341724c932b860a7175

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Quote from: Tash on December 19, 2021, 01:37:49 PM

What exactly is the motivation to flat out lie.

I've absolutely no idea, but you keep doing it.

Quote from: Tash on December 19, 2021, 01:37:49 PM

Exactly the opposide is happening less than 10 people world wide died from omicron

I'm sure it's more than 10 by now, but what point are you trying to make? Omicron is a new variant, yes? So just maybe... more people might contract it as time goes on? Just an idea...

Quote from: Tash on December 19, 2021, 01:37:49 PM

Well, masks and vaccines work on an individual basis, don't they? If someone has Covid and is wearing a mask, they are less likely to cough the virus out onto other people, and infect them. If someone is vaccinated and is exposed to Covid, they are less likely to contract it and, even if they do contract it, they are less likely to die.

Of course vaccines will work better on a population level if more people have them... because the more people who have been vaccinated, the harder it is for the virus to spread. This is not complicated. And yes, if everyone in the world is vaccinated, then R will be considerably less than 1... and end of pandemic.

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Quote from: SmokerFace on December 19, 2021, 12:41:10 PM

The new variants of this Covid-19 virus are more dangerous than the previous one and yes the vaccines are much efficient to fight against these new variants. Though they might be beneficial to some extent for those who are previously vaccinated we cannot say that they are completely cured against the new variant.
The thing which is considered here is to prevent ourselves against these variants. wearing masks, keeping social distances, and following the Covid SOPs can help to keep ourselves safe from these new and old variants.

What exactly is the motivation to flat out lie.
Exactly the opposide is happening less than 10 people world wide died from omicron
https://i.imgur.com/MaWJxVE.mp4

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The new variants of this Covid-19 virus are more dangerous than the previous one and yes the vaccines are much efficient to fight against these new variants. Though they might be beneficial to some extent for those who are previously vaccinated we cannot say that they are completely cured against the new variant.
The thing which is considered here is to prevent ourselves against these variants. wearing masks, keeping social distances, and following the Covid SOPs can help to keep ourselves safe from these new and old variants.

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Quote from: franky1 on August 31, 2021, 05:40:30 AM

pre-vaccine(december 2020)
there were many variants
alpha beta gamma delta(all found pre december 2020)
yet due to vaccines. delta had been halted from further mutation for 9 months.
and lamda has only just become a thing.

so it shows that vaccines has helped delay spread/mutations.
think about it.
if there were 4(ABGD) mutations of notoriety in the 11 months from january to november 2020
and only 1(L) mutation of notoriety in the 9 months from december to august

then thats nearly a 4 to 5x benefit of vaccines of stalling the mutation rate

This is what many people fail to understand: not only "unvaccinated people are about 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid-19 than those who are fully vaccinated", but also the more people are vaccinated, the lower the chances of new dangerous mutations to appear.

Right now 27.3% of the world population are fully vaccinated, which is good, compared to where we were in April, but not enough to stop the emergence of new strains.

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pre-vaccine(december 2020)
there were many variants
alpha beta gamma delta(all found pre december 2020)
yet due to vaccines. delta had been halted from further mutation for 9 months.
and lamda has only just become a thing.

so it shows that vaccines has helped delay spread/mutations.
think about it.
if there were 4(ABGD) mutations of notoriety in the 11 months from january to november 2020
and only 1(L) mutation of notoriety in the 9 months from december to august

then thats nearly a 4 to 5x benefit of vaccines of stalling the mutation rate

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Quote from: Tash on August 26, 2021, 04:34:43 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2021, 03:36:55 AM

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Dr. Robert Malone the very inventor of mRNA Vaccine. Does that mean you dont trust are no fan of his invention?
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor

Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA technology discusses the Spike Protein
https://youtu.be/9E2UkhCWosg

Idk, do you trust WIRED? I do. And here's what they are saying about Logically:

This AI startup is tackling the coronavirus disinformation deluge

and here's what Logically is saying about Dr. Robert Malone:

FALSE: Dr. Robert Malone invented mRNA vaccines.

You might want to click on the text above and read other brief fact checks regarding COVID-19 with the links to full articles.

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Quote from: inoes on August 28, 2021, 06:53:19 PM

The presence of the vaccine remains effective against the new variant because of the broad immune response it elicits. That is, changes or mutations in the virus are unlikely to render the vaccine completely ineffective.
Countries with high vaccination realization experienced a decrease in patients with severe symptoms, the number of hospitalizations, and deaths. This is the case in the UK, and the US. Based on data from the Financial Times, the three countries have vaccinated around 50% of their target population.
So vaccination does not cause a spike in Covid-19 case deaths. In some countries where vaccination programs are running well, vaccines actually reduce the number of patients with severe symptoms, the number of hospitalizations, and deaths.

Some countries where people don't have 5 jobs, and eat fast food sludge, so that the healthiest of them are essentially sick all the time anyway.

If you build up the people with vitamin C + zinc, vitamin D, and a few additional nutritional supplements, and let them get a good night's rest now and again, they won't even get the cold or the flu, and certainly not Covid.

Cool

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The presence of the vaccine remains effective against the new variant because of the broad immune response it elicits. That is, changes or mutations in the virus are unlikely to render the vaccine completely ineffective.
Countries with high vaccination realization experienced a decrease in patients with severe symptoms, the number of hospitalizations, and deaths. This is the case in the UK, and the US. Based on data from the Financial Times, the three countries have vaccinated around 50% of their target population.
So vaccination does not cause a spike in Covid-19 case deaths. In some countries where vaccination programs are running well, vaccines actually reduce the number of patients with severe symptoms, the number of hospitalizations, and deaths.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2021, 03:36:55 AM

You may be wondering why on Earth do I trust Google's top result?

For the same reason you trust CNN or any other MSM outlet. You think they are your friends. You think they won't lie to you despite the fact that they did numerous times already.

If google's fact checking results telling you this, it must be true. Uhm uhm. *chin moving up and down

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Quote from: Tash on August 26, 2021, 04:34:43 AM

Dr. Robert Malone the very inventor of mRNA Vaccine. Does that mean you dont trust are no fan of his invention?
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor

Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA technology discusses the Spike Protein
https://youtu.be/9E2UkhCWosg

This guy worked on mRNA in the 80s, everything involved since then. We can't trust him now with his anti vax campaign. He is to old to share anything valuable about the corona vaccines now. I think we can all see that the vaccines are actually working, the infection numbers went down and even so now travelling is allowed again the numbers are not back to crazy levels like last year and the beginning of this year. Also the mortality rate of corona is much lower since the vaccines.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 26, 2021, 03:36:55 AM

Quote from: Tash on August 25, 2021, 08:46:16 AM

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In the sig "Scientists and vaccines" notable people nobel price winners and vaccine experts tell you all about it.
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I clicked "Scientists and vaccines" in your sig, and then googled Dr. Robert Malone, and here's the top result:

You may be wondering why on Earth do I trust Google's top result? Well, I believe that if it's not marked "Ad" then it's what most people think is true. And while most people in a village can be wrong about something, most people in the world can't. That's what I believe to spare myself from researching whether flat-Earthers are right and stuff.

Dr. Robert Malone the very inventor of mRNA Vaccine. Does that mean you dont trust are no fan of his invention?
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vaccine-inventor

Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA technology discusses the Spike Protein
https://youtu.be/9E2UkhCWosg

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Quote from: Tash on August 25, 2021, 08:46:16 AM

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In the sig "Scientists and vaccines" notable people nobel price winners and vaccine experts tell you all about it.
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I clicked "Scientists and vaccines" in your sig, and then googled Dr. Robert Malone, and here's the top result:

You may be wondering why on Earth do I trust Google's top result? Well, I believe that if it's not marked "Ad" then it's what most people think is true. And while most people in a village can be wrong about something, most people in the world can't. That's what I believe to spare myself from researching whether flat-Earthers are right and stuff.

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Quote from: Betwrong on August 25, 2021, 05:10:41 AM

Quote from: Tash on August 24, 2021, 12:37:58 PM

In Israel 86% of adults are fully vaccinated. Now more people in hospitals than in summer/fall 2020 without toxic shots. Vaccines cause ADE

When saying "toxic" you better provide a source for the statement, because it looks very unconvincing otherwise.

Regarding "Vaccines cause ADE", which looks more sciency, I would like to ask for the same favor, because it looks like you are feeding us with some conspiracy site stuff.

From what I read, ADE is a very rare phenomenon

Quote from: https://health-desk.org/articles/are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-antibody-dependent-enhancement

Sometimes, after developing antibodies to a disease, our immune system can overreact the next time it gets exposed to the disease. This is a very rare phenomenon called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).

and focusing attention on it is unfair.

To me, COVID-19 is like a murderous regime that must be toppled as soon as possible. And you, anti-vaxxers, are like those saying "Let's not riot, it's dangerous!".

Well, yeah, maybe it's dangerous, but we must riot, we must take it down, because it's killing our loved ones.

Had to search back 14 pages only to find out what i was looking for is take off.
In the sig "Scientists and vaccines" notable people nobel price winners and vaccine experts tell you all about it.
Another one is this graphene oxide is toxic for humans thats why ingredients have changed for the COMIRNATY Vaccine
GRAPHENE IN VACCINE?
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bMlOUr9qKD9n/

The Pfizer vaccine under a Microscope it changes and morphs.
Fast forward 10min and then know why blood cloths are common.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8e06KfDWMM

Delta is mutating in a way that may soon produce ADE to the Pfizer vaccine through NTD mutations. Boosters most likely make it worse.
Paper out of Japan (Short English translation is : IT IS BAD)
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.22.457114v1.full.pdf

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Quote from: Tash on August 24, 2021, 12:37:58 PM

In Israel 86% of adults are fully vaccinated. Now more people in hospitals than in summer/fall 2020 without toxic shots. Vaccines cause ADE

When saying "toxic" you better provide a source for the statement, because it looks very unconvincing otherwise.

Regarding "Vaccines cause ADE", which looks more sciency, I would like to ask for the same favor, because it looks like you are feeding us with some conspiracy site stuff.

From what I read, ADE is a very rare phenomenon

Quote from: https://health-desk.org/articles/are-covid-19-vaccines-causing-antibody-dependent-enhancement

Sometimes, after developing antibodies to a disease, our immune system can overreact the next time it gets exposed to the disease. This is a very rare phenomenon called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE).

and focusing attention on it is unfair.

To me, COVID-19 is like a murderous regime that must be toppled as soon as possible. And you, anti-vaxxers, are like those saying "Let's not riot, it's dangerous!".

Well, yeah, maybe it's dangerous, but we must riot, we must take it down, because it's killing our loved ones.

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Quote from: Tash on August 24, 2021, 12:37:58 PM

In Israel 86% of adults are fully vaccinated. Now more people in hospitals than in summer/fall 2020 without toxic shots. Vaccines cause ADE

Israel's 20% Unvaccinated Now Account for Half of All Serious COVID-19 Cases
While serious cases among a minority of Israelis who are not vaccinated against COVID are steadily rising, among vaccinated people they seem to have plateaued

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In Israel 86% of adults are fully vaccinated. Now more people in hospitals than in summer/fall 2020 without toxic shots. Vaccines cause ADE

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Quote from: iv4n on August 20, 2021, 12:15:06 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on August 20, 2021, 05:16:57 AM

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It's not like that... these doctors you are talking about are getting their paychecks to sell different drugs! It's their job, they get bonuses from farmaceutical companies for that... when we are at that, it would be interesting to see who is on the pharmaceutical paycheck list! I would say all of them who are trying to scare people with numbers, repeating those numbers daily, every hour... brainwashing campaign! And it's going great as I can see!

And this forcing/blackmailing people to take this covid vaccine, what is that? Why they are doing that? Why they are targeting our kids? It's not about 1 or 100 articles, it's about logical thinking... why would we force healthy people to take some vaccine, why would we force kids to do that? Is that normal?

@iv4n, you are my internet friend, but what's funny is that almost all of my real life friends have the same views as you do about the vaccine.

I don't want to lose friends because of this bloody pandemic. I won't let it happen again! (I lost two friends already).

So, I don't claim that I'm saying the absolute truth, it's just my opinion, and here it is:

First off, I've never heard of forcing kids to take the vaccine. That's horrible. Parents, if they are normal citizens, of course, not some lunatic maniacs, parents have the right to decide what's better for their children.

As far as I know, kids are not at big risk still. Here's a quote from the latest article I read on this topic:

Quote from: https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030430471/how-the-delta-variant-affects-children

... children are still somewhere between 12- to 15% of all the cases of COVID and still are about 3- to 4% of all the hospitalizations. And we have not seen a huge change in that, even with this delta variant.

Regarding vaccinating healthy adults, I expressed my point earlier in this thread, and I have nothing to add yet.

But the most important thing is to not let this pandemic kill our friendship. Enough killings!

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Quote from: mindrust on August 20, 2021, 11:44:36 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 20, 2021, 10:55:04 PM

I mostly listen to experts from the medical field and they are of the opinion that there is no option other than getting vaccinated.

That's because big-tech (youtube, google, fb etc) are de-platforming those who say that the vaccines could be dangerous. You listen to the pro-vaccination "experts" because that's what they want you to do.

Wrong, there are many videos in youtube that contradicts the vaccine and these videos have reliability and establish facts and evidence to support their claims which builds arguments and possible a great debate. On the other hand, the VIDEOS you mention that is deleted in those platforms are those videos who just give their opinions without providing datas that will support their claims. In other words, HOAX.

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Quote from: perryxi2 on August 20, 2021, 11:18:59 AM

Currently, almost covid 19 has mutated quite complicatedly and cannot be controlled, the number of deaths is increasing, vaccination is only a temporary measure, there is still no absolute solution for this virus when you getting this vaccine will have unpredictable consequences that are called background disease, and the covid virus it becomes more and more unpredictable, now my country has a lot of people dying more and more.

I think we shouldn't worry so much about the corona cases in general, but rather the severe cases. The corona vaccine is not going to give us 100% immunity. We need to see how the percentage of mild to severe cases is. If many people are dying and the hospitals are full then of course we need another lockdown. But if most cases are mild ones and nobody is dying, just has to stay home for a week like with a bad flu, then we shouldn't worry so much.

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