Topic: The recent surge in Covid-19 is making vaccine makers to have a rethink - page 3. (Read 646 times)

Reports like this are the reason why there is a huge percentage of the population doesn't want to get vaccinated. Certainly, there are truths to these reports, the government itself admitted that even if you are vaccinated you are still not safe from getting a new variant of the virus. It's pointless to get vaccinated when the virus mutates every time.  This is why there has to be a better solution like end the mutation.

^^^ This is not true. How many people who received two doses of the Pfizer vaccine has died from the virus? More than a billion people have received the Pfizer shots so far. According to the data from the United States, in the recent months 99.5% of those who died were not fully vaccinated. Only 0.5% of the deaths occurred among the fully vaccinated population, who comprise more than half of the sample size. I wouldn't say the same about Chinese vaccines though. A lot of people have died, even after receiving two doses of the Sinopharm/Sinovac vaccine.

I think covid 19 has gotten out of control. The vaccine production process does not have a complete compatibility and prevention for variants of Covid 19. Delta is contagious too quickly. Vaccines are not suitable to prevent the attack of each variant that comes out (Moderna only prevents 60% of Delta,...) humanity needs faster inventions to prevent appropriately, although the vaccine will take a long time, it is the only state awaited in my country.

In addition, each person injecting 2-4 doses of vaccine is also not a good solution, even it makes vaccines become scarce.

In other words, the vaccines weren't enough. Humanity anxiously awaited development of the first COVID-19 vaccines throughout 2020; now that those vaccines aren't enough to permanently halt COVID-19, it would appear that vaccine manufacturers are pivoting their strategy. But as to what they have planned, pharmaceutical companies aren't being entirely transparent — or perhaps they aren't sure.

The Government needs to put more effort to contain the virus and if premiums care is not taken on the best methods to defeat this deadly virus, we might end up experiencing the second batch of black death(deadly virus emanated from rodents) that kill more than 5 million persons hundreds years ago. Vaccine makers need to put on more efforts to achieve a sustainable result that can resist the virus.

If you think that the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) is misrepresenting, or that CNBC is writing nonsense, send them an official inquiry - I've been listening to this news for at least 2 weeks - and your source seems to only list people who have received at least 2 doses - which, by the way, have almost no effect on the new delta strain of the virus. The propaganda you obviously believe in just wants people vaccinated, and then I ask you why Israel started vaccinating people with the third dose if people should be safe after the second dose?

Wrong.
The United States is a long way away from herd immunity, as only 50.50% of the population has been vaccinated till now. 70% to 80% coverage is needed for herd immunity and none of the states in the US has achieved it.

Seventy percent of U.S. adults have had at least one shot of a Covid vaccine, according to data published Monday by the CDC, about a month behind President Joe Biden’s Fourth of July goal.
The 70% goal set by Biden in May is seen by federal health officials as a crucial step toward reaching so-called herd immunity — when enough people in a given community have antibodies against a specific disease.

I could remember when the Corona Virus started making the world to be in a turbulent state of rest. America shut down in March 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, there was a pervading sense that the situation was probably or hopefully temporary. After all, efforts were already underway to develop a vaccine. It was just a matter of time until normalcy would return.

But 17 months later, a return to "normal" is nowhere in sight. Frightening new mutant strains like the delta variant and the lambda variant have emerged, more infectious and possibly more dangerous than their antecedents. Early evidence indicates that, while existing vaccines stop patients from getting severely ill if infected, they do not prevent the infected from transmitting the disease. At the very least, it is theoretically possible that mutant variants could create problems for people who want their inoculations to be effective.

In other words, the vaccines weren't enough. Humanity anxiously awaited development of the first COVID-19 vaccines throughout 2020; now that those vaccines aren't enough to permanently halt COVID-19, it would appear that vaccine manufacturers are pivoting their strategy. But as to what they have planned, pharmaceutical companies aren't being entirely transparent — or perhaps they aren't sure.

"As SARS-CoV-2 continues to evolve, Pfizer and BioNTech are continuing our work to understand long term immunity, the need for booster shots, and any threat from circulating or new variants of concern to vaccine protection," a Pfizer spokesperson told Salon by email. The company said that the existing body of research and evidence suggests that the circulating variants do not escape their COVID-19 vaccine, adding that they continue to perform clinical trials at various stages for a third dose of their currently two-dose BNT162b2 vaccine, with possibly hopeful results. That vaccine, widely known as the "Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine," is effective in preventing COVID-19; two doses of it significantly strengthens the body's ability to avoid severe disease and hospitalizations.

The company also communicated to Salon that, broadly speaking, they plan on keeping tabs on emerging variants and waning immunity so that they can prepare new products if necessary. "It is, in part, why we chose a vaccine technology with the flexibility that allows us to both provide boosting doses if needed and to address potential changes in the virus," Pfizer explained.

The biotechnology in question is known as an mRNA vaccine, and it describes the type of inoculation developed by both Pfizer and Moderna (which did not respond to Salon's request for comment). Traditional vaccines work by introducing a weakened or dead pathogen (an organism that causes disease) into the body. The immune system becomes familiar with the pathogens by being exposed to them and, like a soldier participating in war games, learns how to fight a real enemy through training with a facsimile. More specifically, the immune system learns how to recognize antigens (a toxic or foreign substance on an antigen) and produce antibodies to destroy the pathogens associated with them.

https://www.salon.com/2021/08/12/vaccine-makers-future-strategy-delta/

That has nothing to do with the truth, because you obviously haven’t read my previous post - if 70% of adults in the US are vaccinated, how is it possible that they have about 140 000 new infections a day - and that’s not some tourists or migrants. In addition, the virus cannot just disappear, it continues to mutate and infect vaccinated and non-vaccinated, almost to the same extent (when it comes to new strains of the virus).

Just a year and a half ago I would agree with both of you, guys, but recently I changed my mind under the influence of my close relatives that happen to be certified specialists in the fields of medicine and biotechnology.

Here's what I've learned from them:

1. If 70%-80% of the people in the world(note that ending the pandemic in one particular country doesn't make sense in the modern world) were vaccinated the pandemic would start to decline and would vanish soon.

2. Although you can be infected with covid even when fully vaccinated, the vaccination greatly reduces the risk of hospitalization and death.

That is due to the delta strain. I am from India, and this particular strain caused up to 5 million deaths here in April/May. By June, it started spreading to the other countries. Now the pandemic in India is under control, but some countries such as Iran, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Thailand are reporting huge number of new infections and deaths every day. I hope that the vaccination rate is high in your country, as it is the only solution to prevent from getting infected (that said, the Chinese vaccines are useless against the Delta strain).

In other words, the vaccines weren't enough. Humanity anxiously awaited development of the first COVID-19 vaccines throughout 2020; now that those vaccines aren't enough to permanently halt COVID-19, it would appear that vaccine manufacturers are pivoting their strategy. But as to what they have planned, pharmaceutical companies aren't being entirely transparent — or perhaps they aren't sure.

There has been a surge in the number of people who have this virus in my country in the last two months and everybody is been extra cautious and has taken preventives measures even after taking the vaccines.

The Government needs to put more effort to contain the virus and if premiums care is not taken on the best methods to defeat this deadly virus, we might end up experiencing the second batch of black death(deadly virus emanated from rodents) that kill more than 5 million persons hundreds years ago. Vaccine makers need to put on more efforts to achieve a sustainable result that can resist the virus.

A new vaccine for a new strain of virus normally takes around 3 years at least for it to be done. The vaccines that have been created right now took only a year and knowing that viruses are slowly mutating and we're seeing it already, I just hope that the vaccine makers thought of this.

There are some vaccines that are also effective against the new variants of the virus like the Delta and the Alpha but I agree with what most people said here. Being vaccinated is one of the keys for the people not to get infected of the virus or if they will be infected then at least they will have just mild symptoms. I personally didn't take any vaccine here for some reasons but I'm not going outside either at all. I'm also taking Vit. C pills for immunity at least but there will be a time that I will take 2 dozes of vaccines too.

I think being healthy will help you to have a herd immunity. It will take time though.