Topic: The release of Satoshi's personal data - page 2. (Read 1590 times)

I believe that if some countries’ intelligence organizations really want to find Satoshi’s identity is possible.
This is not a difficult thing for the CIA, NSA，MI6, KGB, Mossad or other Intelligence agency.
Maybe someone is doing this, I even think that some countries may already know who Satoshi is, but for some purposes it is classified as confidential.
If Satoshi's identity is locked, someone who knows his identity may threaten him to hand over Bitcoin, and anyone who knows his identity may also be in danger.
Maybe Satoshi has been secretly imprisoned/killed, who knows?
Sometimes curiosity may not be a good thing. When you really know who is Satoshi, it also means you will be in danger. So I don't think we should do something like this, we just need to continue our bitcoin journey.

And the people who exchanged private messages with him. Did any of them ever decide to reveal these messages? Several emails and conversations have been published, and many of those help us to better understand why certain functions or decisions regarding Bitcoin.

Maybe some of the people who exchanged messages with Satoshi using the forum could post those messages.

I think if the gov't wanted to read Satoshi's PMs they would have just hacked them out of BTCT and Theymos would never know/have known (unless they wanted him to).

If in any way Satoshi's PMs are worded this way, you should release them for a healthy dose of laughable enjoyment for everyone.

All I want for the BTCT 10 year anniversary is to have Satoshi talk like they're a founding member of TLC.

Haven't you heard?  Craig Steven Wright couldn't prove he is Satoshi. So, he isn't. Even a message with the bitcoin security keys was released at the start of this year to reaffirm that CSW isn't satoshi.

Well we could probably say the same for Ross Ulbricht  . I think it's relatively easy to remain fully anonymous if you set out from the start to do so, but it's also relatively easy to screw up just that once... or twice. Satoshi used tor if I remember correctly, but I'm sure there's ways that can leak your IP occasionally, or if the FEDs are controlling certain exit nodes maybe they can grab your IP somehow. You could further mask this though by using tor via public wifi, a proxy or connecting via a throwaway simcard. You can still screw up in other ways though, but if you're committed to privacy and remaining anonymous it shouldn't be that difficult. I think the biggest way satoshi could be discovered was if he was a person that was already public known in the crypto-sphere and his writings could be compared to that person, but if he was a relative nobody then that's pretty much impossible, and if he was somebody he would have probably been linked already.


I don't think this should happen. As r1s2g3 said, it's possible (though not probable) satoshi could return one day and he may wish to find some information from his PMs (or maybe even delete it himself, but that should be left up to him). I'm sure satoshi was smart enough to not leave anything incriminating behind though, but even if he did then maybe fair game to anyone who did manage to get access to it.

The historical significance will be epic. Historians will certainly want to know more about the "father of bitcoin". If you are right, and BTC takes over the world in 50 years, it's fair to say that humanity will want to know as much as possible. I guess it's a matter of balance the potential damage from disclosing and the benefit of humanity. It's a big decision. I'm excited to see them myself.

That makes a lot of sense. It does seem like an abrupt departure. I read an article of Wright claiming he and someone else he would not mention was terminally ill, and this unmentioned person died. If he left the forum without any indication, then I doubt it was a terminal illness.

Super fascinating.

The Satoshi Nakamoto Institute is compiling a library of all known Satoshi emails, code, forum posts, and quotes.
https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/

What if a user wants to come back? Whether this is Satoshi or someone else. I hate when email providers deactivate your account and don't allow you to reactivate it and delete all your data. That's silly to me when it literally takes up kbs in their database. I've lost some important information before because of this.

What about destroying everything that is not in public view and end the debate ?

I see no reason why someone who appeared from nowhere on a cryptography board would ever let anything slip to anyone under any circumstances.

For all Satoshi knew Theymos might have operated out of an internet cafe and went off to dinner leaving the screen open or let his roomies handle PMs when he was off on a hot date. One person knowing who you are is infinitely more troublesome than no one knowing who you are, let alone more of them.

I think I recall Gavin Andersen meeting with the government. I can't remember if it was the FBI or some other section of the government but he did definitely meet with someone to talk about Bitcoin. I don't think the talks were all that successful and actually made the community question Gavin. I think this was around the time Satoshi went quiet on Gavin too and just up and left although I can't be sure. I'll try and find the thread that was here on the forum but it was a number of years ago. Speculation is speculation but one could assume Satoshi didn't want Gavin to go to the government whatever the meeting was about. Satoshi didn't seem comfortable with that and up and left. I think its fair to assume Satoshi wouldn't want his personal informaiton leaked to the public to as he has taken every precaution to do so. Although it must be said if Satoshi didn't trust theymos judgement he would of likely deleted the pms permanently. Especially if there were sensitive information in them.

Sorry I kind of went off on one there but my point being was the government would of defintely wanted at least a word with Satoshi because they did so with Gavin. They probably tried getting in contact with Satoshi many times but maybe he didn't answer. What could be interesting is whether the government signed up on this forum and messaged him asking for a meeting. I agree with a lot of people that its unfortunate that the pms wont be released but at the same time its only fair to those that he was in contact with.

Yah... Marina5, i.e. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/marina5-1142505

You're welcome OP 

Guess I have to wait another 50 years...

I do not deny that it's not possible to identify an account using the writing style (grammar, typos, sense of humour etc etc) however excuse me (LOL) please.

May I ask to PM me the account username please? I am really interested to see your skill.

Or may be digaran was him and now the Dig Bicks¹ LOL

¹ _{I read it Big Dicks}

Nobody could have predicted where bitcoin would go but I believe he did say something along the lines of (and I'm colossally paraphrasing here): In ten years time either nobody will be using it or everybody will be. There are a lots of potential reasons why he may have wished to be anonymous, but we'll probably never know his true reasons. Maybe he wasn't sure of the legality of it or didn't want to run into any potential legal problems in the future. I'm sure governments would have wanted to talk to him at least. If someone knew who he was then they could certainly pressure him to take bitcoin in a certain way or even try to sabotage it. Maybe he just didn't want the attention or hassle of being the founder/figurehead of it. Being famous in any sort of capacity for me would be a nightmare. I like my anonymity. I like being able to walk down the street and nobody hassle or bother me for anything. That changes when you're famous. Maybe satoshi also felt this way.

So I can start PMing my secrets to satoshi

I can think of a few reasons, for example: "Tell us where your private keys are or you'll be in this hole for the rest of your life".
Satoshi's last posts didn't look like someone who was going to leave the forum. There's a chance he's dead, he could have been hit in traffic. He could also be in jail.
On the other hand, if "Satoshi" was not just one person, but a group of people, it's much less likely they all had accidents. That means there was a reason to disappear into hiding.

I'm more curious why satoshi was hiding his identity from the start: did he know how big Bitcoin would get?
I don't think it's common for programmers to take measures to protect their privacy when they post a beta on SourceForge.

It would be funny if satoshi's dox and home address were just sat in those PMs all along  . Maybe he did an Ulbricht and colossally screwed up right at that start (I seriosuly doubt satoshi was as dumb as Ross)


I think satoshi is probably safe, but it's surprising how much the way people type gives them away sometimes (especially if they're still active on another account or elsewhere... would be hilarious if satoshi was still on the forum trolling on another account haha. Maybe he's one of the fud trolls  .).  Most people have mannerisms or some identifying marks when they talk and especially type - typos, grammar mistakes, sentence/paragraph structure, specific slang or usual words they use. I've spotted quite a few alts (or suspected ones) over the years just by the way they type. mdayonliner fairly recently created a new account that he purposely wanted to keep separate and anonymous from his original and within a few days I had an inkling that it belonged to him. He then referred to me by a variation of my name in a specific way that I had only ever seen him use that gave the game away fully. A few other people have since noticed it. A similar thing could be used on satoshi, but again, I think he probably took this into consideration. The fact that he wasn't around for that long also helps. The longer people are here the more evidence and personality traits they leave behind and it becomes easier to identify them.


Why would you think some government would be hiding him and why would they be doing that? I think he just took sufficient steps to remain anonymous. Probably not that difficult to do if it's something you're conscious of before the get-go. Most of us here after all are mostly anonymous but with a few additional steps most people could leave little trace of things that could be tied back to them.


Why would he? I believe theymos has said before he doesn't know who he is, but whether you believe him or not is up to you. Satoshi seems to have taken sufficient steps to tell nobody about his identity and remain anon for obviosu reasons so I'm sure even theymos doesn't even know.

I dont think somebody will find out who Satoshi was =D Maybe in future when new hacking methods or stuff like that come out . And speaking about Craig s wright , im 100% sure his not Satoshi . Imagine what will happen with News channels when somebody publish info about Satoshi nakomoto and who he is . He is / was really clever at start and knew he will need to hide

So it means that Theymos and other admins who were involved in this forum startup know about satoshi but they dont want to reveal themselves and what who know that who are this admins can also be one of the associate of satoshi or they are itself the group who are involved in cryptocurrency development and then wanted to be anonymous

I think theymos probably knows satoshi's identity. Although it's quite easy to remain anonymous on the internet so it might not be true.

Satoshi originally published bitcoincore on sourceforge and there was a forum there but the forum was moved here (for obvious reasons). Theymos took over control of the forum after satoshi gave him ownership privileges. I think sirius was also quite heavily involved in the forum at the start (not sure where badbear came into the equation though - the old admin here).

Also, anyone know where the forum was before it got moved to amazon aws?