Topic: the RISK of FPGA mining (Read 16759 times)
make me some software so i can use my de10 nano for cpu minable coins so i can rip them down be nice.
Another GPU maxamlist fear of his profits going to trash.
Gpu were never intended to process block so thinking this would be acceptable future hardware to deal with money is a novelty but false idea
Adapt or die GPU miners
Gpu were never intended to process block so thinking this would be acceptable future hardware to deal with money is a novelty but false idea
Adapt or die GPU miners
The problem is that we're trying to fit hardware to algorithms instead of the other way around. I think we'd be better off if we tried designing the algorithms around the hardware.
If you think the boards will lose their value then don't buy them. I definitely remember you from discord. FUD.
So far everything you said is factually twisted and incorrect. Like I said, FUD.
Fpga's are delayed due to a key part shortage. Not fud fact.
Fpga's face supply chain issues due to the fact that they are not a widespread tech in the hands of millions of people.
Gpu's have 3 year warranties.
While amd and nvidia both make gpu chips. they have many customers making gpu's
Gpu's are needed in many applications and millions of people own them.
The real issue is not gpus vs fpgas vs asics
the issues is how many coins have good development teams.
Sia so smart they build an asic rather then have a 3 fork defense against asics
zcash we pledge to be asic rersistant
zcash allows asics with zero fight.
very few developers take the asic fpga issue for what it is a true treat to the game of mining.
for mining to work as POW:
cpu, gpu,fpga,asics all need to have some strong coins.
https://epsnews.com/2018/05/23/electronic-component-shortages/
https://www.industryweek.com/leadership/staying-ahead-electronics-component-shortage
It's not limited to this FPGA board. There is a worldwide component shortage. The components that are required are the same components that would be used in a bluetooth speaker for instance.
I think a lot of what you're saying is short-sighted. For instance, you've completely ignored tensority. You're making assumptions that FPGA are unable to compete with ASICs. These FPGA would have greater performance than most ASICs. This increases costs and prevents private ASICs as private asics would be less profitable than the FPGA (this was all covered a couple pages back).
SIA, That's the same group that released a big PR saying how wonderful ASICs would be for their coin -- and then -- wanted to fork once bitmain beat them to the punch on shipping? The same group that's been releasing PR about how PoW is doomed? Sorry if I don't put much stock in what they have to say. Ever since bitmain shipped before them they've had a very defeatist attitude in all publications.
If you think that buying a FPGA is a bad investment, that's fine... Just make sure not to completely distort or ignore the truth (like you did by saying "Fpga's face supply chain issues due to the fact that they are not a widespread tech in the hands of millions of people.").
If you think the boards will lose their value then don't buy them. I definitely remember you from discord. FUD.
So far everything you said is factually twisted and incorrect. Like I said, FUD.
Fpga's are delayed due to a key part shortage. Not fud fact.
Fpga's face supply chain issues due to the fact that they are not a widespread tech in the hands of millions of people.
Gpu's have 3 year warranties.
While amd and nvidia both make gpu chips. they have many customers making gpu's
Gpu's are needed in many applications and millions of people own them.
The real issue is not gpus vs fpgas vs asics
the issues is how many coins have good development teams.
Sia so smart they build an asic rather then have a 3 fork defense against asics
zcash we pledge to be asic rersistant
zcash allows asics with zero fight.
very few developers take the asic fpga issue for what it is a true treat to the game of mining.
for mining to work as POW:
cpu, gpu,fpga,asics all need to have some strong coins.
If you think the boards will lose their value then don't buy them. I definitely remember you from discord. FUD.
So far everything you said is factually twisted and incorrect. Like I said, FUD.
If you think the boards will lose their value then don't buy them. I definitely remember you from discord. FUD.
A new risk, if the chip is locked by KEY, then the board is worthless unless you know the key, it have no second-hand value like GPU
The key doesn't prevent unencrypted designs from running. Keep in mind, if we didn't do this it would also open an attack vector where a developer could maliciously burn the efuse preventing any designs from operating but their own.
I'm pretty sure you were already told this on discord?
So if you reviewed the documentation you would know that the chip can still load unencrypted bitstreams (assuming you use the correct options).
Once the key is loaded, yes, the key cannot be changed.
The ram key is wiped when the board loses power. The board doesn't have a battery.
1.when board begin to run ,it gen a random number,and append your secretive key1,then SHA2(or others algo) it
2.software read the hash message,send to a server,(the miner is online,so it is easy to connect the server)
3.the server append the hash with your secretive key2,then SHA2(or others algo) it ,send back
4.the board check the result,if match ,run miner,otherwise ,do nothing.
so ,you just need two key,
every new developer or new algo can have his own key,
also the boards will not lose their value.
If you think the boards will lose their value then don't buy them. I definitely remember you from discord. FUD.
A new risk, if the chip is locked by KEY, then the board is worthless unless you know the key, it have no second-hand value like GPU
The key doesn't prevent unencrypted designs from running. Keep in mind, if we didn't do this it would also open an attack vector where a developer could maliciously burn the efuse preventing any designs from operating but their own.
I'm pretty sure you were already told this on discord?
So if you reviewed the documentation you would know that the chip can still load unencrypted bitstreams (assuming you use the correct options).
Once the key is loaded, yes, the key cannot be changed.
The ram key is wiped when the board loses power. The board doesn't have a battery.
1.when board begin to run ,it gen a random number,and append your secretive key1,then SHA2(or others algo) it
2.software read the hash message,send to a server,(the miner is online,so it is easy to connect the server)
3.the server append the hash with your secretive key2,then SHA2(or others algo) it ,send back
4.the board check the result,if match ,run miner,otherwise ,do nothing.
so ,you just need two key,
every new developer or new algo can have his own key,
also the boards will not lose their value.
A new risk, if the chip is locked by KEY, then the board is worthless unless you know the key, it have no second-hand value like GPU
The key doesn't prevent unencrypted designs from running. Keep in mind, if we didn't do this it would also open an attack vector where a developer could maliciously burn the efuse preventing any designs from operating but their own.
I'm pretty sure you were already told this on discord?
So if you reviewed the documentation you would know that the chip can still load unencrypted bitstreams (assuming you use the correct options).
Once the key is loaded, yes, the key cannot be changed.
The ram key is wiped when the board loses power. The board doesn't have a battery.
A new risk, if the chip is locked by KEY, then the board is worthless unless you know the key, it have no second-hand value like GPU
The key doesn't prevent unencrypted designs from running. Keep in mind, if we didn't do this it would also open an attack vector where a developer could maliciously burn the efuse preventing any designs from operating but their own.
I'm pretty sure you were already told this on discord?
CAUTION! If this bit is programmed to 1, the device cannot be
used unless the AES key is known. Return material
authorization (RMA) returns cannot be accepted and the
Vivado Indirect SPI/BPI flash programming flow cannot be
used if this bit is programmed. You must have external
configuration memories programmed BEFORE you blow this
fuse if you intend to use Vivado for this programming.
why not use the RAM to store the key?
A new risk, if the chip is locked by KEY, then the board is worthless unless you know the key, it have no second-hand value like GPU
The key doesn't prevent unencrypted designs from running. Keep in mind, if we didn't do this it would also open an attack vector where a developer could maliciously burn the efuse preventing any designs from operating but their own.
I'm pretty sure you were already told this on discord?
A new risk, if the chip is locked by KEY, then the board is worthless unless you know the key, it have no second-hand value like GPU
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My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
My only FPGA risk assessment:
Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
There's only greed now in crypto prices for fpga's will never go down only up once a greedy bastard like shitmain starts getting evolved just swapping one devil for the other Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
that's right. Too much greed is involved in crypto world and it is raising too high. It is shame.
but also look at it this way:
What happened after the Americas were 'discovered'........... up to now.
It's human nature. A "natural cycle" sadly.
The only thing we can do is try to prevent the bad behavior. Not teach it to people.
A seemingly impossible task; but something people should strive for.... to fix the parts about human nature that are least desirable.
But I digress. I do what I can and this is just another wave in the cycle; thus my final sentiment about our future being behind us.
My only FPGA risk assessment:
Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
There's only greed now in crypto prices for fpga's will never go down only up once a greedy bastard like shitmain starts getting evolved just swapping one devil for the other Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
that's right. Too much greed is involved in crypto world and it is raising too high. It is shame.
My only FPGA risk assessment:
Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
There's only greed now in crypto prices for fpga's will never go down only up once a greedy bastard like shitmain starts getting evolved just swapping one devil for the other Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1166
My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
My only FPGA risk assessment:
Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
Creating a FPGA based mining schism just entices another shitmain to come to fruition.
The future is seen through these eyes. I see the future behind us.
fpga might be a trend for 2019. So far they are quite expensive and I hope that will change.
FPGA might have its disadvantage but it combines what I love the most in GPUs and ASICs. FPGA is that exact hardware and it is the new favorite in the mining community. In terms of no limitation and flexibility (which coin to mine). And theres the thing about less power consumption. I dont own one right now, but I have been researching on it and plan to get it.
Hi,
On June 19th, I purchased the XILINX 1525 with mods and DIMMs from the 1st bulk order on the Zetheron thread.
I have the receipt to prove it and I'm sure FPGA.land/Squirrels Research will back me up. It will arrive sometime
in August and then I can ship it out. I really wanted to run this card, as projections are $20-$50 per day.
Unfortunately, I need to sell it to pay off some debt. I'm asking $6,000 to cover taxes, shipping, fees, etc.
I know that may seem high but as far as I have researched, Batch 2 is not even close to ready, and people
could be waiting until next year sometime. I will accept ZEN, BTC, ETH and possibly PayPal.
PM me if interested. I'm open to reasonable offers. Highest offer gets it.
Thanks!
On June 19th, I purchased the XILINX 1525 with mods and DIMMs from the 1st bulk order on the Zetheron thread.
I have the receipt to prove it and I'm sure FPGA.land/Squirrels Research will back me up. It will arrive sometime
in August and then I can ship it out. I really wanted to run this card, as projections are $20-$50 per day.
Unfortunately, I need to sell it to pay off some debt. I'm asking $6,000 to cover taxes, shipping, fees, etc.
I know that may seem high but as far as I have researched, Batch 2 is not even close to ready, and people
could be waiting until next year sometime. I will accept ZEN, BTC, ETH and possibly PayPal.
PM me if interested. I'm open to reasonable offers. Highest offer gets it.
Thanks!
Lol. You do know we aren't in 2017 bull fomo trend. You will most likely have to sell at a slight loss. Everyone is pestamistic now and nobody will touch any miner with a 10 feet pole these days. It's not the time to think about being greedy in this bear market.
Hi,
On June 19th, I purchased the XILINX 1525 with mods and DIMMs from the 1st bulk order on the Zetheron thread.
I have the receipt to prove it and I'm sure FPGA.land/Squirrels Research will back me up. It will arrive sometime
in August and then I can ship it out. I really wanted to run this card, as projections are $20-$50 per day.
Unfortunately, I need to sell it to pay off some debt. I'm asking $6,000 to cover taxes, shipping, fees, etc.
I know that may seem high but as far as I have researched, Batch 2 is not even close to ready, and people
could be waiting until next year sometime. I will accept ZEN, BTC, ETH and possibly PayPal.
PM me if interested. I'm open to reasonable offers. Highest offer gets it.
Thanks!
On June 19th, I purchased the XILINX 1525 with mods and DIMMs from the 1st bulk order on the Zetheron thread.
I have the receipt to prove it and I'm sure FPGA.land/Squirrels Research will back me up. It will arrive sometime
in August and then I can ship it out. I really wanted to run this card, as projections are $20-$50 per day.
Unfortunately, I need to sell it to pay off some debt. I'm asking $6,000 to cover taxes, shipping, fees, etc.
I know that may seem high but as far as I have researched, Batch 2 is not even close to ready, and people
could be waiting until next year sometime. I will accept ZEN, BTC, ETH and possibly PayPal.
PM me if interested. I'm open to reasonable offers. Highest offer gets it.
Thanks!
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