The self exclusion scheme, anyone have any experience regarding that ?

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 05, 2021, 01:17:45 PM

Apparently due to the surge in gambling problems, there also have been surge in more and more people working towards registration for GamStop. There is a 21% increase in the same.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/05/number-of-gamblers-trying-to-block-themselves-online-surges
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What I want to talk about :
1. Is this something that really works ?
2. How did this actually sends a signal regarding the education system in place for the gamblers being implemented in almost every good gambling website ( Gamcare etc..)
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I have my serious doubts about the whole system, if it would work or no. Since at the end of the day we have multiple electronic devices therefore excluding from one won't work.

But I think this is actually a good stat since this means the education regarding the gambling is really working. Plus people are engaging in positive feedbacks.

I do not have experience with this but common sense will dictate that something like this cannot work, someone that can control himself and stop himself from gambling does not need any external scheme, he can stop whenever he wants and keep himself from gambling too much money, those that lack that control are trying to find an external solution to a problem that is internal, so it does not matter if they can exclude themselves from a device or a casino when they can always gamble in another casino and another device and keep gambling that way.

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Quote from: Goodluckmate.com on April 07, 2021, 04:15:49 PM

I haven't personally used self-exclusion but I'm a bit familiar with how GamStop is supposed to work. The scheme has all casinos and betting sites licensed by the UK Gambling Commission in its network. So when you self-exclude from GamStop you automatically self-exclude from all UKGC gaming and betting platforms. And I think you can't reverse the ban at all unless the period you've chosen passes. Even if it's over, they won't let you know about it and you must contact them to remove the ban.

But I think that it's connected to your IP address or maybe your device, not sure about that. Plus, it doesn't restrict offshore sites. So, it's not effective 100% and I agree with everyone saying that the person must want to stop gambling to be successful. It's so easy to gamble these days, it really takes dedication to stop doing it. But I hope with all the self-restriction tools and support that anyone with a problem could successfully deal with it.

Of course, national self-exclusion schemes like GamStop in United Kingdom don't work for offshore gambling sites.
But any serious, reputed and professional online casino or sportsbook should offer a self-exclusion option and apply a solid Responsible Gambling Policy IMO.
For example on Stake you're able to request for being temporarily or permanently self-excluded whenever you want and the platform will prevent you from using any other account to try to continue to gamble during your self-exclusion period.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on April 07, 2021, 11:43:51 AM

The increase of people who want to do self-exclusion is because of remorse and only temporary thing. I did self-exclusion several times with a browser extension to block several sites, but I ended up deleted the plugin after the guilt was gone, lol.

Gambling is very addicting, and no self-exclusion will work IMO. You should ask help from your partner to control your finance and limit your gambling budget.

Exactly.

Which is why using self-executing program to help you to stop playing gambling while your decision is only an half-assed one is not worth the time to invest on such program. The most effective way I guess for someone to stop is to make his own self-executing reason on why he should stop gambling aside from losing too much money on the long run.

Mostly I've witnessed people quitted their addiction in gambling is for their family. They started to rehab themselves, engage on family activities, spends quality time more with your kids, bond with your friends, etc... Because there's nothing impossible if you're really dedicated on quitting.

One of the things that those that are addicted whether it is to a substance or to a particular activity do not seem to know is that recovering from the addiction is not something that you can do overnight, you cannot just quit gambling and then think that you are not going to be tempted to keep gambling, like most things in life it is a process and the ones that recover have the support of their family and decide to dedicate their time and energy to them and it is a process that takes many months or even years for the need to keep gambling to finally fade away.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on April 07, 2021, 11:43:51 AM

The increase of people who want to do self-exclusion is because of remorse and only temporary thing. I did self-exclusion several times with a browser extension to block several sites, but I ended up deleted the plugin after the guilt was gone, lol.

Gambling is very addicting, and no self-exclusion will work IMO. You should ask help from your partner to control your finance and limit your gambling budget.

Exactly.

Which is why using self-executing program to help you to stop playing gambling while your decision is only an half-assed one is not worth the time to invest on such program. The most effective way I guess for someone to stop is to make his own self-executing reason on why he should stop gambling aside from losing too much money on the long run.

Mostly I've witnessed people quitted their addiction in gambling is for their family. They started to rehab themselves, engage on family activities, spends quality time more with your kids, bond with your friends, etc... Because there's nothing impossible if you're really dedicated on quitting.

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It's a case to case basis some has success on using these others will find it useless as he can use other gambling sites or other devices, but it's something that will remind you that you need to stop and think if you are doing the right thing, this pandemic gave us ample time to play and gambling online if we use this it can limit our time playing to get us back to the reality of life.

But a responsible gambler does not need this, he can stop when he needs to stop and continue when he is ready to play again.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 06, 2021, 10:26:58 AM

Do people really need that kind of help just to stop gambling or control it?
Personally, I have been gambling since I was a kid with our local card games and yet, I never had the urge to do it like a habit.

Sure, they have a good goal in this platform they apply but an addict will always find his ways.
Just like your example, smartphones is a go to gambling device already, you just need internet.
They may have the numbers of sign ups but it doesn't really mean all of that did change or want change. It could be just for a day or two.

The majority of gamblers never really need something like it because as you say we can control our impulses even when we had a bad loss, however I'm not so sure that even the gambler that could in theory need something like this is going to use it because as we know those that are addicted to gambling need to recognize that they are addicted on the first place and this can be very difficult to do even if for an external party this is very easy to tell.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 08, 2021, 09:43:16 PM

Quote from: michellee on April 06, 2021, 09:17:19 AM

The self-exclusion scheme can work if the gambler really wants to limit their money for gambling. But for a gambler who can not control themselves, they will break that thing and come back to play the game. That will not make that thing works because no matter how the site limits the gambler, the gambler will break and back to the game.

But that is good if people can try to block themselves from gambling and stay away from gambling because that is what they need to do. If they can do that, I am sure they will not become addicted to gambling.

But it is because of this that I do not see this feature as being that effective at all, someone that is completely dedicated to stop their gambling addiction once and for all is not going to need something like this and at best is only going to be of marginal help while those that are addicted to gambling will not be stopped by something like this, I would like the reality of this to be different and wish there were more effective ways to help those that are addicted to gambling but I do not see in this a solution to those that are in need of such help.

If that feature is not available on the gambling site, maybe the gambler needs to use it to prevent their addiction. But as we know, the addicted gambler does not know if they are addicted, so they do not think that they will try to manage their money or limit their time and money because all they want is to play gambling. If people can successfully apply that to them, they will have a chance to reduce their addiction and fix the addiction problem.

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Quote from: michellee on April 06, 2021, 09:17:19 AM

The self-exclusion scheme can work if the gambler really wants to limit their money for gambling. But for a gambler who can not control themselves, they will break that thing and come back to play the game. That will not make that thing works because no matter how the site limits the gambler, the gambler will break and back to the game.

But that is good if people can try to block themselves from gambling and stay away from gambling because that is what they need to do. If they can do that, I am sure they will not become addicted to gambling.

But it is because of this that I do not see this feature as being that effective at all, someone that is completely dedicated to stop their gambling addiction once and for all is not going to need something like this and at best is only going to be of marginal help while those that are addicted to gambling will not be stopped by something like this, I would like the reality of this to be different and wish there were more effective ways to help those that are addicted to gambling but I do not see in this a solution to those that are in need of such help.

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 07, 2021, 06:44:57 AM

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Quote from: paxmao on April 06, 2021, 08:02:05 PM

A friend tried to self-exclude. It is just not possible, there are too many on-line opportunities. It is a much better option to join a group or get some therapy. An old friend of mine developed a big problem with slot machines and was able to recover successfully by asking others to help him out. As they say, when the fun stops, it is time to stop.

I think they will not get some therapy because they will not admit that they are addicted to gambling and feel that everything is under control. But they can share their problem with other people, especially if they have a best friend or family members closest to them, so they will not feel bad or shy to tell their addiction to gamble. I agree with them saying that when the fun stops, we must stop playing gambling because that can be fatal to us if we continue gambling.

If there's no entertainment what you'll see is addiction.

People who suffer to this are afraid of admitting that they are really engaging too much, it's good if they are capable of voicing it out
with their friends of relatives, as soon as they bring it out and they are willing to step out, the chance that they can still cope up from this
problem.

Perhaps, most of them can not tell it out with their friends or even with their family because they don't want other people to know that they have an addiction to gambling. They are too shy to do that and they don't want to get blamed by other people so they will keep it for themselves. But that will get worst since they will keep the secret without telling to other people and they can't get helped from them. Self-exclude is good, as long as they know that it can bring a good thing for them to control themselves and managing their money from the loss.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 07, 2021, 11:41:07 AM

Self exclusion from gambling only works if they have self control over their bets but why someone needs to exclude themselves when they are already in their control. I didn't know what kind of limitation this service provides the users to restrict themselves from gambling but in my opinion nothing can stopped in the online world without the user stop doing it.

As long you do have that in mind or wont sensible or seriously quit or stop then you would really be ending up on doing it all over again thats why these features
or services that do connect out about self-exclusion is really that much useless because people wont really be stopping out even though they
had been restricted neither by themselves or by other.

They would always find a hole for them to dig in and cant be stopped on what are the things that they do had in mind.

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I haven't personally used self-exclusion but I'm a bit familiar with how GamStop is supposed to work. The scheme has all casinos and betting sites licensed by the UK Gambling Commission in its network. So when you self-exclude from GamStop you automatically self-exclude from all UKGC gaming and betting platforms. And I think you can't reverse the ban at all unless the period you've chosen passes. Even if it's over, they won't let you know about it and you must contact them to remove the ban.

But I think that it's connected to your IP address or maybe your device, not sure about that. Plus, it doesn't restrict offshore sites. So, it's not effective 100% and I agree with everyone saying that the person must want to stop gambling to be successful. It's so easy to gamble these days, it really takes dedication to stop doing it. But I hope with all the self-restriction tools and support that anyone with a problem could successfully deal with it.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on April 07, 2021, 11:43:51 AM

The increase of people who want to do self-exclusion is because of remorse and only temporary thing. I did self-exclusion several times with a browser extension to block several sites, but I ended up deleted the plugin after the guilt was gone, lol.

Gambling is very addicting, and no self-exclusion will work IMO. You should ask help from your partner to control your finance and limit your gambling budget.

If gambling would be always on your mind then you would definitely had the problem.Even if you do set up those extensions or any other things that block you out
but still you do still have that gambling like mindset then you will surely be ending up on ignoring and change out those in the end.
For sure a gambler did really come into a point like this where they do make out some realizations because of frustration but
once those things are gone then you would be going to square one again.

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Yes it works, from what I understand it is only a scheme that companies who want UK customers currently operate. It seems perfectly reasonable that every gambling operation should have the ability for someone lacking in self control to prevent them using the site in future. From the perspective of a socially responsible company it is definitely the right thing to do and could ultimately be more profitable for them in the long run. If you ruin the experience for any gamer then you are more likely to lose that customer forever, rather than letting them have a cool off period where they might be able to regain their composure and sort the financial side of their lives out. Hopefully it becomes the default around the world, however for privacy reasons it seems that it will require a local setup for every jurisdiction.

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The increase of people who want to do self-exclusion is because of remorse and only temporary thing. I did self-exclusion several times with a browser extension to block several sites, but I ended up deleted the plugin after the guilt was gone, lol.

Gambling is very addicting, and no self-exclusion will work IMO. You should ask help from your partner to control your finance and limit your gambling budget.

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Self exclusion from gambling only works if they have self control over their bets but why someone needs to exclude themselves when they are already in their control. I didn't know what kind of limitation this service provides the users to restrict themselves from gambling but in my opinion nothing can stopped in the online world without the user stop doing it.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on April 06, 2021, 10:18:07 AM

Quote from: michellee on April 06, 2021, 09:17:19 AM

The self-exclusion scheme can work if the gambler really wants to limit their money for gambling. But for a gambler who can not control themselves, they will break that thing and come back to play the game. That will not make that thing works because no matter how the site limits the gambler, the gambler will break and back to the game.
But that is good if people can try to block themselves from gambling and stay away from gambling because that is what they need to do. If they can do that, I am sure they will not become addicted to gambling.

if they are not addicted they wont use self exclusion tool but prevention is better than cure .
for addicted gamblers , applying a self exclusion tool will help test if its effective or not to controll their habit and if not ,
they can proceed in the next step and that is rehabbing their selves because in that place you wont have a chance to carry your devices or to roam outside .
this step works for severly addicted gamblers

I wish the addicted gamblers can know about that features, so they can control themselves not to lose more money. But if it's not, we can not do anything because that will be their responsibilities. If they know that features can really help them reduce their addiction and that it works for them, they need to continue using that features to eliminate the addiction. That will more feasible to them than to go to the psychiatrist.

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I know a site that has a self exclusion feature, I have tried it once before but it's still easy to get out, so based on my experience, the discipline should really come from us, the site exclusion would only help temporarity because it's still us who will decided whether we will still gambler or limit ourselves.

With the number of crypto casinos online, it's easy to find a new site to play if ever you self exclude your account in a certain site, so that would still defeat the purpose.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on April 07, 2021, 05:54:55 AM

Quote from: sunsilk on April 07, 2021, 05:39:47 AM

Never done to exclude myself or request it from a casino because I can still handle myself. But any help would do if the gambler is really willing and doing his best to control himself or to avoid or reduce their addiction.

And i believe that Only once in a Million case that will seek for this , because gambling addict mostly are not accepting that they are indeed addicted instead they are pretending even to themselves about their true status in gambling.

I won't say that only one in a million but they really are few but that not in that estimation I guess. But it's true that many of the addicted gamblers won't accept that they're already addicted and they won't accept a counsel from others.

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Quote from: sunsilk on April 07, 2021, 05:39:47 AM

As long as there's a will, there's a help that will be found with this initiative especially if it's the gambler's request of self excluding him from that casino. This is going to work if he's loyal to that particular casino.

If i remember it right , there is a case in I guess reputation section that a Gambler use to ask for Blocking of His account but the site denied the request and furthermore the gambler still comes to play because of irresistible call of betting.

What casino is that if you can still remember? that gambler is helping himself but that casino probably sees his request as a possible lost of revenue to them that's why they declined.

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Quote from: Pamadar on April 07, 2021, 06:44:57 AM

Quote from: maydna on April 07, 2021, 02:53:39 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 06, 2021, 08:02:05 PM

A friend tried to self-exclude. It is just not possible, there are too many on-line opportunities. It is a much better option to join a group or get some therapy. An old friend of mine developed a big problem with slot machines and was able to recover successfully by asking others to help him out. As they say, when the fun stops, it is time to stop.

I think they will not get some therapy because they will not admit that they are addicted to gambling and feel that everything is under control. But they can share their problem with other people, especially if they have a best friend or family members closest to them, so they will not feel bad or shy to tell their addiction to gamble. I agree with them saying that when the fun stops, we must stop playing gambling because that can be fatal to us if we continue gambling.

If there's no entertainment what you'll see is addiction.

People who suffer to this are afraid of admitting that they are really engaging too much, it's good if they are capable of voicing it out
with their friends of relatives, as soon as they bring it out and they are willing to step out, the chance that they can still cope up from this
problem.

People who go to that situation are denial to the fact that they are been addicted on playing while in reality they cannot stop their urge to play. Also its hard to voice this problem to our friend since some of them will judge us and think about bad on our situation if we try to tell them that we are been on gambling addiction.

That's why sometimes its good to keep all secret and just tell it on your immediate family then seek for professional advice since this one is best solution for this.

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Quote from: maydna on April 07, 2021, 02:53:39 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 06, 2021, 08:02:05 PM

A friend tried to self-exclude. It is just not possible, there are too many on-line opportunities. It is a much better option to join a group or get some therapy. An old friend of mine developed a big problem with slot machines and was able to recover successfully by asking others to help him out. As they say, when the fun stops, it is time to stop.

I think they will not get some therapy because they will not admit that they are addicted to gambling and feel that everything is under control. But they can share their problem with other people, especially if they have a best friend or family members closest to them, so they will not feel bad or shy to tell their addiction to gamble. I agree with them saying that when the fun stops, we must stop playing gambling because that can be fatal to us if we continue gambling.

If there's no entertainment what you'll see is addiction.

People who suffer to this are afraid of admitting that they are really engaging too much, it's good if they are capable of voicing it out
with their friends of relatives, as soon as they bring it out and they are willing to step out, the chance that they can still cope up from this
problem.

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