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Quote from: kotajikikox on April 07, 2021, 05:54:55 AM

If i remember it right , there is a case in I guess reputation section that a Gambler use to ask for Blocking of His account but the site denied the request and furthermore the gambler still comes to play because of irresistible call of betting.

If that is the case, it will be a gambler's responsibility to control himself while playing gambling.
Maybe the site does not want to lose their member, so they denied the request.
But no matter what, self control will be necessary for every gambler because that is the important thing they must have.
Without that, they will not survive in the gambling games and the worst scenario is they can lose all of their money without having a chance to recover the losing money.

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Quote from: sunsilk on April 07, 2021, 05:39:47 AM

Never done to exclude myself or request it from a casino because I can still handle myself. But any help would do if the gambler is really willing and doing his best to control himself or to avoid or reduce their addiction.

And i believe that Only once in a Million case that will seek for this , because gambling addict mostly are not accepting that they are indeed addicted instead they are pretending even to themselves about their true status in gambling.

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As long as there's a will, there's a help that will be found with this initiative especially if it's the gambler's request of self excluding him from that casino. This is going to work if he's loyal to that particular casino.

If i remember it right , there is a case in I guess reputation section that a Gambler use to ask for Blocking of His account but the site denied the request and furthermore the gambler still comes to play because of irresistible call of betting.

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Never done to exclude myself or request it from a casino because I can still handle myself. But any help would do if the gambler is really willing and doing his best to control himself or to avoid or reduce their addiction.

As long as there's a will, there's a help that will be found with this initiative especially if it's the gambler's request of self excluding him from that casino. This is going to work if he's loyal to that particular casino.

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Quote from: paxmao on April 06, 2021, 08:02:05 PM

A friend tried to self-exclude. It is just not possible, there are too many on-line opportunities. It is a much better option to join a group or get some therapy. An old friend of mine developed a big problem with slot machines and was able to recover successfully by asking others to help him out. As they say, when the fun stops, it is time to stop.

I think they will not get some therapy because they will not admit that they are addicted to gambling and feel that everything is under control. But they can share their problem with other people, especially if they have a best friend or family members closest to them, so they will not feel bad or shy to tell their addiction to gamble. I agree with them saying that when the fun stops, we must stop playing gambling because that can be fatal to us if we continue gambling.

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I really doubt those self exclusion schemes actually work. I have seen people self excluding them and the few days later, begging the casino to undo the exclusion before it expires. I have also seen casinos accepting their request. I remember reading a thread over here about a very "well known" casino that removed a self ban/exclusion from a user after the user requested and the user started to complain how that casino ruined his life. He started to say stuffs like how the casino knew he was addicted to gambling yet, they didn't care about his wellbeing and let him continue to gamble. The user who posted either lost everything and is now trying to act like an addict to recover something from them or is truly an addicted and was harmed by the casino.
In the end, whether the exclusion is going to work or not depends very much on the casino and how strict they are.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 05, 2021, 01:17:45 PM

Apparently due to the surge in gambling problems, there also have been surge in more and more people working towards registration for GamStop. There is a 21% increase in the same.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/05/number-of-gamblers-trying-to-block-themselves-online-surges
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What I want to talk about :
1. Is this something that really works ?
2. How did this actually sends a signal regarding the education system in place for the gamblers being implemented in almost every good gambling website ( Gamcare etc..)
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I have my serious doubts about the whole system, if it would work or no. Since at the end of the day we have multiple electronic devices therefore excluding from one won't work.

But I think this is actually a good stat since this means the education regarding the gambling is really working. Plus people are engaging in positive feedbacks.

I tried the self-exclusion system many years ago when I was starting to play poker simply because I saw it was available and I wanted to check how it worked, and since I was just starting to play, I wasn't sure if I was going to get out of control. At that time, the self-exclusion was per casino.

The system you mention must be like that of the land-based casinos. In many countries, if you self-exclude yourself, all the casinos in the country are notified and they do not let you enter any of them. But there are always ways to bypass it. To play live you can go to play games in houses or other unlicensed sites. In the same way, on the internet, there are sites that are not regulated, and for example the casinos that are advertised in this forum, I do not think that they will receive the self-exclusion request (and some I suppose that they would not even pay attention to it).

Anyway, I think it is a good initiative, not perfect but good.

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It can be a positive news in hope that more people are thinking to quit their addiction. But it can be negative in the sense that maybe, the surge is because more people have lost their entire live savings? Or bigly important funds? The possibility is so much. Nonetheless, the move is good, but as you said, one can have many devices hence only a tangible exclusion won't really work, what will work is self determination, and consistency. Belief in oneself and ask help from God if they believe in him. Surely, a human can do anything if he's dedicated towards it and can break any bad habit!

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Quote from: Darker45 on April 06, 2021, 09:59:35 PM

I really appreciate such kind of program or option within the gambling industry. I wish this will be emulated by other countries and even gambling sites and real world casinos. It would be great if this kind of initiative would become mainstream.

The havoc that gambling addiction may bring to people is unimaginable. It may cost them all the precious things in life or even life itself.

To those whose addiction to gambling needs a little more serious attention from the professionals, this may not really stop them from finding a way to continue gambling, but to those who have just noticed some early signs of addiction or have suffered too much of a loss and wanted to stop, this will really help them.

Big problem if not immediately overcome when addicted to gambling, as you said addiction to gambling will unwittingly destroy the gambler's life itself.
Therefore, in several countries there are already rehabilitation centers to overcome the problem of gambling addiction. This is because of the very serious problems associated with this gambling addiction. I also agree that the problem of gambling addiction also requires the attention of professionals who can
help identify the problem of gambling addiction earlier. So before it is too severe, it can be overcome immediately and will not suffer too big losses.
Because after all this addiction problem cannot be solved alone, it takes the help of others to overcome it.

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Quote from: Darker45 on April 06, 2021, 09:59:35 PM

I really appreciate such kind of program or option within the gambling industry. I wish this will be emulated by other countries and even gambling sites and real world casinos. It would be great if this kind of initiative would become mainstream.

same Wish On my part mate, because this must be a Worldwide campaign and not just for other site.

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The havoc that gambling addiction may bring to people is unimaginable. It may cost them all the precious things in life or even life itself.

While we wanted to Keep this for all, the problem is more gambling site don't wanna Hinder people from becoming addicted because this will favor them.

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To those whose addiction to gambling needs a little more serious attention from the professionals, this may not really stop them from finding a way to continue gambling, but to those who have just noticed some early signs of addiction or have suffered too much of a loss and wanted to stop, this will really help them.

Yeah from professional and also from their family attention.

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I really appreciate such kind of program or option within the gambling industry. I wish this will be emulated by other countries and even gambling sites and real world casinos. It would be great if this kind of initiative would become mainstream.

The havoc that gambling addiction may bring to people is unimaginable. It may cost them all the precious things in life or even life itself.

To those whose addiction to gambling needs a little more serious attention from the professionals, this may not really stop them from finding a way to continue gambling, but to those who have just noticed some early signs of addiction or have suffered too much of a loss and wanted to stop, this will really help them.

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Honestly, it's a bit of a legislative gimmick.

Casinos can put self-exclusion in place but actually troubled gamblers would either never take the option or take the option and come back with a different account - especially with the advent of crypto and crypto-based casinos, creating alts on the same platform has become all the easier given that you never need to verify yourself.

It sounds great on paper, but in practice, a 10 year old can figure out that this is not the answer.

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A friend tried to self-exclude. It is just not possible, there are too many on-line opportunities. It is a much better option to join a group or get some therapy. An old friend of mine developed a big problem with slot machines and was able to recover successfully by asking others to help him out. As they say, when the fun stops, it is time to stop.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on April 06, 2021, 10:26:58 AM

Do people really need that kind of help just to stop gambling or control it?
Personally, I have been gambling since I was a kid with our local card games and yet, I never had the urge to do it like a habit.

Good for you mate, but I think majority can't really control their gambling addiction that's why online platforms has this kind of self exclusion program.

Quote from: danherbias07 on April 06, 2021, 10:26:58 AM

Sure, they have a good goal in this platform they apply but an addict will always find his ways.
Just like your example, smartphones is a go to gambling device already, you just need internet.
They may have the numbers of sign ups but it doesn't really mean all of that did change or want change. It could be just for a day or two.

That's why it is very difficult and complicated for addicts to just quit. They needed support, but first they have to admit to their addiction. Maybe this self exclusion will be the first step to them to realized that something is wrong and they need to stop.

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Fiat based gambling sites are known to set limits to the money you put in but not the same for Crypto gambling based site where you can deposit unlimited amounts until you get rekt . For me, as long as the internet exist there's no point in self inclusion scheme's and GameStop doesn't actually provide evidence or statistics to how much gambling platforms had loss in revenue or players.

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Self-exclusion schemes like gamstop can actually work for some gamblers. One of the most important things about addiction is understanding and facing the problem. Many people just avoid this and keep lying to themselves that everything is ok. But if someone uses such a system - it means that this person wants to change and there's yet hope. It's as if a person is on a diet and restricts oneself from eating sweets by simply not buying them, this might work and have a positive impact, right?
However, this probably doesn't apply to gamblers with a serious addiction. In that case, they would probably look for ways to gamble anyway.

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Quote from: fiulpro on April 05, 2021, 01:17:45 PM

Apparently due to the surge in gambling problems, there also have been surge in more and more people working towards registration for GamStop. There is a 21% increase in the same.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/05/number-of-gamblers-trying-to-block-themselves-online-surges
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What I want to talk about :
1. Is this something that really works ?
2. How did this actually sends a signal regarding the education system in place for the gamblers being implemented in almost every good gambling website ( Gamcare etc..)
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I have my serious doubts about the whole system, if it would work or no. Since at the end of the day we have multiple electronic devices therefore excluding from one won't work.

But I think this is actually a good stat since this means the education regarding the gambling is really working. Plus people are engaging in positive feedbacks.

Self exclusion in general is effective. A simple action of provocation for someone to stop a simple addiction can be a useful tool and motivation to spark some change. I myself doesn't really rely on such system yet I blocked my own devices to access certain websites (via IP blocking on WIFI) as a little act of self-exclusion, and it somehow helps in addiction problems like this one.

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Also something that I see regularly on some online gambling sites, is the ability of gamblers to ask for the mods of the chat channels to ban them for a specific amount of time. The chat option normally come with some kind of "rain" or "tipping" system and this is pushing people to stay online a lot longer, in the hope of receiving some rains or tips from other players.

So if you are banned from the chat, you have no incentive to stay on the site and also not a incentive to deposit more money to gamble more. The mods on some of these sites, will immediately ban you, when you ask for it. Wink

Tip : When you gamble, do not look at the gambling tab.. where you are gambling, open a new tab and watch NetFlix or online movies. The Slots are designed to tempt you to gamble more... (sound and near wins) Wink

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It's actually a good self-awareness tool especially to people who are not confident that they can stop themselves from spending more time and money than they should/could on a gambling platform. I wouldn't say that it works 100%, but at least it puts you in a spot wherein you would feel guilty if you disobeyed the rules you set for yourself. It may not work at times wherein you have lots of money to burn or whenever you need to kill time, but IMO it works best when you're in a tight spot financially and the decision to go gambling or not is between having food on the plate or having none at all.

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Here is one quote from the article mentioned by OP which depicts some reasons for such surges:

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Matt Blanks, a project manager at Peer Aid, a scheme that helps people who are addicted to gambling, began betting aged 11. He lost more than £700,000 and tried to take his own life.

See I have not personally experienced self exclusion scheme because I am not gambling addict at this time.Most people grew interest in online casinos and gambling during lockdown as we have seen casino and Exchanges audience have increased at fast pace.But a coin has always two side this rise has lead to people becoming gambling addict and trying to loose more than they afford in hope of winning huge amounts due to greed.They are opting for such schemes which allow user to block gambling whenever they try to enter the casino or place the bet until a specified period of time which is justified move and people are opting it according to their own wish.It is good option for people to avoid becoming addict as when the chain is broken it's hard to grow such habits easily.

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Quote from: Stedsm on April 05, 2021, 01:58:05 PM

See, an addiction like gambling is more dangerous than drugs, and when it's out of control, it can even become life-threatening. Now, if someone tries to block themselves from a gambling website through self exclusion, or account deletion/destruction whatever you call it, then it shows that there is 1% chance that the gambler is trying to leave gambling anyhow. Still, the main thing is, how strong is the will power and inner strength of that gambler is, to hold himself from getting back to the same route. If he actually gets control over his greed and makes up his mind that whatever he has, he will be happy with it forever and won't need anything else, then I don't think anything can stop him from leaving the gambling addiction completely and stopping himself doing it again.

Three years ago I became addicted to playing roulette.

At the same time, I developed the habit of consuming alcoholic beverages before and during gambling. I realized that I was addicted to gambling. It was not very pleasant to realize that I am very addicted to gambling.

I started looking for a solution to this problem. It occurred to me that one addiction can only be overcome with the help of another addiction. Therefore, I started playing computer online games (strategy). I realized that this is also a game, but more interesting than roulette. After a while, I lost interest in playing roulette.

At the same time, there was no painful addiction to computer games. I began to meet beautiful girls and have sex with them.

Then I got interested in cryptocurrencies...

Analyzing myself, I understand that I am no longer a gambling person.

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