Topic: The SportsBet.io Gang - page 3. (Read 2078 times)

This negative feedback for instance, blindly trusting whatever SB says and giving feedback based on that.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3534812

If jeremypwr is not an employee, he surely doesn't know who is lying and what exactly happened and hence should not give out red trust to users complaining.

Returning the deposit is not good enough in most cases because then it's a free bet for the website. If won, they will return deposit and if lost, the bet stands.




Don't assume

I can assume Patrick Mahomes doesn't get paid by Chiefs doesn't make it true.

I don't think that merits mean much anymore. We all know they are dumping so it's no big deal.

I'm coming very late to this topic by chance, hardly check reputation section but I saw Sportsbet.io mentioned.

And I kinda expected to see one username mentioned, because jeremypwr manages a lot of giveaways but I seriously doubt he's an actual employee, and it never crossed my mind to see such an accusation when clearly, in many other megathreads merits are just dumped all on daily basis, why is that a problem? I can give it to whoever I want, if I think it deserves my merit. I'm sure these users do the same.

Personally, I know LFC_Bitcoin and buwaytress also for years, if they are Sportsbet employees I will eat my BTC wallet seriously. These guys are the most helpful people, years ago I personally got help for nothing from them, education, yes even merits to help my account grow. I know for sure they still run competitions and community events for not getting paid, buwaytress also a very outspoken member of all services here. I've 100% seen him criticize Sportsbet.io and in fact for years you can even see he runs pools for RIVALS of Sportsbet.io

Why would an employee do that??

To my best knowledge they're not even getting a cent paid for their work on this forum. People should be grateful there are people like these spending their time for free to make the forum a better place. Instead, they get accused on threads like this.

We need to recognize contributions but people seem to spend more time looking to take people down. Crazy.

Kinda my point though, people distribute it however they want basically. Aside from selling it, anything is pretty much allowed with merit.

Of all the arguments in this thread, the marketing of the jackpot is the only thing that IMO should have been done differently, but either way I do not feel anyone is at risk playing there.

They spend tens of millions on sponsorships in the Premier League, but somehow it got stuck that the disputed merit distribution is in their thread.
As far as I know, the amount of merit distributed in the Sportsbet ANN thread is almost insignificant compared to WO (which is more meaningless), but that is another story that has already been discussed.

What's the end goal here? Accusing the site of merit abuse is a bit absurd as I have already stated, the red trust might need modified as far as the reason, and then an added accusation of poor marketing.

The marketing thing, I haven't looked at the back n forth if someone wants to link me to it i'll be happy to read it. Regardless, at worst a bad use of marketing but still not scamming customers.

Far as I've seen on the scam accusations, sportsbet has tried resolving quite a lot of those. You can't honestly believe that every accusation that pops up against a site is legit. Do you feel that playing on sportsbet will lead you or other customers to lose their money? Do you think the site won't pay legitimate players?

I don't feel like players are at risk at this point so I don't see the reason for this thread.

Even if he is a merit source, the only "rule" we publicly know of in relation to merit sources and their source merit distribution is that they aren't allowed to sell merits. They can distribute it any other way as far as I know. Every merit source decides for themselves what they spend their merits on. It should be quality posts, or any other posts you find pleasing for whatever reason.

Short version of OPs misleading marketing claim. Sportsbet falsely claiming that they paid WowPot instead of Global Gaming. This is an easy one. Individual casinos NEVER pay out WowPot’s since the money isn’t theirs. The money belongs to Global Games. All kinds of evidence, pic and links above. I’m not looking to hurt anyone’s reputation by documenting. I don’t even know how it works here. That’s for the OP to run with although may have to do something if my stalker comes back. I just explained what happened, since I was mentioned in the thread, with Global Games paying out a jackpot after doing extensive verifiable research.

Yep, and I really wish OP would go back and edit that to show the usernames instead of just posting a link to the members' merit pages.  That makes a lot of extra work for anybody who's curious enough to click on the links like I did.

I haven't read this entire thread yet (and probably won't, since I'm not interested in this particular drama), but unless LFC_Bitcoin is a merit source--which might well be the case, as he's one of the top recent merit senders--he can do whatever he wants with his sMerits.  But in his particular case, he's earned so many merits from his own posts that I don't think it's a big deal at all that he sends merits to posts that might not be substantial. 

What I don't like to see is negative feedback from members regarding issues that have little to do with someone's trade worthiness, and looking through some of the links here I did notice some of that.  But as long as the members who left such trust (like nutildah) don't have a habit of doing it, there's no reason to take any action.  So I'm not seeing a lot of wrongdoing here.

It doesn’t matter to me what you do with the information. I’ve been here 10 years and I’m not making false allegations. Logically it’s insane to think that Global Games is going to hand out $38,000,000 from the $2,000,000 seed money they put in plus all the money from other casinos and give it to Sportsbet to pay in USDT installments.

I’ve done a ton of research. It’s not Sportbet’s money. The money belonged to Global Games. The individual casino NEVER pays a WowPot.

Well, I still disagree with your judgment. Why don't you just contact Games Global for an official statement before accusing someone of lying based on speculation and unverified information?

Games Global owns the Microgaming slots. Look at the article I posted. The player won on Wheel of Wishes. There are no assumptions. I wouldn’t do that. I looked for duplicate sources before making an accusation.

One article was dated Jan. 4, 2024 on lump sum. It’s in the other thread somewhere.

Not only did I double check, we can also think of it logically. Games Global has the €2 Million seed money plus what’s collected from all the casinos. They aren’t giving that to Sportsbet to pay in USDT installments.

Edit, my linked article was updated Jan. 26, 2024. It’s current information. I read a ton of articles on these slots after Steve and Jeremy implied that I was wrong. It was Wheel of Wishes progressive slots.

I started posting at BCT in 2014. I’m not going to falsely accuse on something that can be so easily checked.

But I don't see how that's relevant. Even if the information is correct (it's not from an official source as far as I can see), Microgaming is not affiliated with Games Global Limited or part of the "Games Global" brand. Moreover, on the official website, you can find information that Microgaming has sold its distribution business and online games portfolio to Games Global Limited in 2022.  
https://www.microgaming.co.uk/microgaming-closes-acquisition-of-distribution-business-and-games-portfolio/

So it seems that you are making accusations and jumping to conclusions based on outdated information that may or may not be true.

I did post a link some posts above and in the original Sportsbet thread but the article is very long and tough to see lump sum payment.



https://kingcasinobonus.uk/online-casinos/microgaming-casinos/

Not only is it a lump sum but they didn’t pay in USDT.

But again, how did you get that information, or is it just your assumption?
I still don't see any proof of your claim, and you accuse Steve and Jeremy of lying without any valid evidence.  Don't get me wrong,  I have no affiliation with SportsBet, and I'm not here to defend them. Rather, I simply seek to reach a reasonable conclusion.

People were asking in the thread who paid. I then decided to search it to answer them. I posted that Games Global paid.

Then Steve and Jeremy came in and said that it was Sportsbet and they are paying in USDT installments after people asked about it being on the blockchain. After some back and forth, I sent a PM to Jeremy and told him I know it’s a lie. Just let it go because I don’t want to keep picking on Sportsbet. He then stopped.

https://kingcasinobonus.uk/online-casinos/microgaming-casinos/

How do you know that WowPot progressive jackpot winnings are paid out in one lump sum? There is no such information in the official announcement by Games Global:
https://www.gamesglobal.com/Media/games_global_progressive_jackpot_wowpot_pays_out_38_4_million_eur

It’s not wording, it’s intent. Steve said it's being paid out in installment payments in USDT by Sportsbet. It's not true. It was paid in one lump sum by Games Global. There are a lot of scam accusations against Sportsbet as well as a credibility issue.

Seems like you're doing a lot of nitpicking about nothing. They don't owe you any information that could potentially be used to deanonymize the winner.

Don't know why you are backtracking from this, which was a much more reasonable stance:


Sure, they may not have technically been the ones paying out the amount to the winner, but the winner had an account on Sportsbet, and its not wrong of them to want to use the event for promotional purposes. You can argue that they should have worded it better, and we all learned something about how the Wowpot works. Continuing on complaining about how the payout was conducted is a waste of time and kind of creepy. They don't owe you any further explanation.

Games Global made the payout in Euros. Games Global starts the pot off at €2 MILLION . Then there are multiple casinos that contribute to the WowPot through casino play. The player hit the WowPot at a Sportsbet. Games Global takes €2 MILLION plus all the money contributed from multiple casinos and paid the player approximately €38.5 MILLION. Sportsbet has nothing to do with paying the player after the jackpot is won. Steve and crew said that Sportsbet was paying the player $42m USDT in installment payments. He said that after I posted there is no transaction on the blockchain for that amount. I'll post links.

https://www.gamingintelligence.com/products/casino/185955-games-global-pays-out-record-e38-5-million-through-wowpot-jackpot/

https://www.btcgosu.com/blog/news/record-breaking-wowpot-jackpot-e38-46-million-payout/

Steve says
but those are Microgaming slots that are always paid in full. It was paid in Euros, not USDT as Steve claimed.

Steve


The point is that Steve and crew kept lying. When it got to the point of posting that there is no transaction on the blockchain, Steve then went to the payments were being paid by Sportsbet in installments in USDT.