Topic: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread - page 203. (Read 100587 times)

Well if it's just through voting then there are many that surely voted for Jon Jones after his win against Ciryl Gane so there is no point for Alexander Volkanovski and Islam Makhachev getting upset or frustrated about it, because if it's just the case the UFC hands are really tied behind them, or they don't have full control about it,

But still, this is kind of disrespectful to both fighters for Jon Jones to come along without any given hardship in making it to the top and being champion in the highest division of the UFC, is what people are asking, and right now I think that Jon Jones has ultimately changed that division in incorporating his style because for me the Heavyweight Division is very one dimensional, with full of fighters that are brawlers that could finish the match in 1 punch or strike but incorporating Ciryl Gane 1st have incorporated a style that is pretty much different and more technical that has an advantage with fighters that are aggressive, but Jon Jones have landed to the division and the ground game is more likely introduced, I think the lack of ground game knowledge for this division surely a lot of fighters will likely to have problems with it just like we seen in Ciryl Gane's case,


Much Appreciated, I am aware of the rankings for fighters in any division but for the Pound 4 pound ranking is truly new to me, I really don't put much attention to the pound 4 pounds and I really thought that the UFC was really in control of things because it was their site after all, and with the Jon Jones being on the top back when he is still champion, I think I was still starting to just figure out MMA in my own, or I was just starting with engaging with the topic about it so Jon Jones was really not relevant to me until he vacated that belt on the Light Heavyweight so Jan Błachowicz was the only Light Heavyweight I really have known, that is why I am not a Jon Jones fan until I have seen his highlights, but still not a huge fan, but much appreciated in what you are telling me right now, so thanks about it,

Yeah, he has the potential to be a clean sweep, get the finish early on. However, I honestly think people put too much emphasis on the name, and just expect them to steam roll. Said, isn't Khabib, and definitely has shown several weaknesses. Now, I don't know if Jonathan Martinez is the man to put him to the sword, but he's got a decent record, and it should be at least a challenge. Also, I find Said a lot more risky than some of the others with an association of Khabib.

Ariane Lipski has the chance, but if I was to bet on her, I'd have to with the decision, hoping that she puts out enough volume. I don't she'll be finishing the fight, but there's a lot more value in the decision.

I do not think Jon Jones is the best fighter in the ufc any more but he was considered the best but he is not as good as he was before. I know he beat Gane without getting punched but I think it was the easiest way for him to win because Gane does not know how to wrestle. If he was against some one else I think he would have been tested more. I want to see Jon Jones against a wrestler to judge his boxing skills.

Jon Jones is considered as the greatest fighter ever to compete in MMA and now he actively moved to a higher weight division and won the belt and he is now the pound for pound best, when he left and vacated the title, he was the pound for pound best for years and now he is back and he just reclaimed his position.

It is not a surprise that Jon Jones is a cocaine user and parties heavily even during training camps and the spikes found during testing are now cleared by the testing authority as it gives no added benefit and since Jon Jones had the money and lawyers he fought in court and hence USADA is forced to change the testing rules which will benefit every sports personals that are tested. If you look throughout his fighting career, he is not a muscular person, he is called Bones for a reason .

To clear your confusion, pound for pound list is not made by the UFC. There is a voting panel which includes media personals and they create the fighter rankings and pound for pound list and the list is created through voting by couple of dozen MMA media outlets and UFC is not unanimously involved in that and to refresh your memory Jon Jones was the pound for pound king for years until he vacated the belt, 15 title fights and undefeated for a decade as he is in the UFC from 2008, now with the win in Heavyweight he is considered the best ever to do MMA and you think including him in the pound for pound rankings is not fair to other fighters  .

Who in the UFC will defeat Jon Jones in any weight class right now in your opinion, he vacated the Light Heavweight belt he was holding from 2011 and how many champions emerged in that division in a short period of time after he vacated the belt, before he became champion the belt used to change hands often and i am following MMA from PRIDE days and that was his dominance inside the cage. If Jon Jones did not mess outside the cage, Daniel Cormier would not be a double champion nor would we see any other champions unless he vacates and his name is Jon Jones .


 

Said Nurmagomedov is massive favorite for me but odds are not great unless you play some special bet on him.
My pick in Multi Master Challenge is on Ariane Lipski to win and she is heavy underdog and it will be huge surprise, but I just like it.
I probably wont watch this event live but it is worth checking main card later.

Honestly, I wouldn't doubt yourself over my picks, I've included some risky one's in there. Harris probably does it, but I'm not betting so I've been a lot more risky than I would if I were betting. If I was betting this weekend, Harris would likely be included, as I often do different bets to my actual predictions. Since, I sometimes go for the safer options in the bets, despite feeling that a fight will go another way.

I do think it's a risky fight though, and think it'll be rather close. Closer than the odds suggest at least.

UFC definitely encouraged the drama outside of the ring to sell tickets, and then publicly criticized everyone who jumped in the ring, and out of the ring at the end of the fight. I'm not sure boxing could get away with something like that, UFC still has that sort of attitude which actually prevents a lot of people from watching it. Personally, I avoided the UFC for a while due to me thinking it was too violent, and all it was about was hurting people. Obviously, I know better than that now, but I feel Dana's attitude to a lot of things doesn't exactly help its reputation.

Dana White is a piece of shit. Whatever he sees money he grabs onto it. He does not think twice about anyone else. Remember the Conor vs Khabib fight? The fight was promoted by violence. That's something that should never have been done. Because we all know that violence is only going to increase if you promote something through it. He saw that Jon Jones' fight was really hyped. So he just took the chance and he is trying to squeeze every penny out of it.

My bad, I got the names mixed up. I was visualizing one person and naming him the other. Probably that wouldn't have happened to me, if both of them did not have the same first name though -_-

Anyway, I actually think that Volkov being so tall is actually going to work against him. Because he is going against a fighter who is really good with takedowns. I am not going to say that it is easy taking down a huge tower of a man like that. But at the same time, it is easy to lose balance when you are so tall. At the same time, the power of Volkov is unmatched. He can one-punch knockout almost anyone.
So this fight is going to be an interesting one to watch.

^  I hate you.    Now I'm having second thoughts on my top ticket..  I put Harris on as I like him in this spot.  I like him a lot actually.  :/

We have the same picks except for a couple.  Here's how my lottery ticket could now look like...  I made a few changes as the lines changed and it's hard to get value at the top.  Yan could be my pie shtter.  Could change again after weigh ins.

Harris - Yan
Add:  Ramos - Dumas - Aldrich
Add:  Nurmagomedov - Spann
Add:  Petrino - Williams - Gravely
Add:  Volkov - Assuncao
Add:  Nam

I left Bautista out as he really doesn't give value with where his line is at.

Right, onto the predictions. It's a tough night, and I'm fancying quite a lot of the underdogs this time around, and because I won't be watching the event, my predictions will be a lot more risky, since I'm not betting.

Jared Gooden
Tyson Nam
Tony Gravely
JJ Aldrich
Mario Bautista
Sedriques Dumas
Davey Grant
Karl Williams
Vitor Petrino
Said Nurmagomedov
Ricardo Ramos
Ryan Spann
Alexandr Romanov
Petr Yan

I haven't got any massive favourites; Said I'm actually pretty worried despite his name, and reputation. Romanov I'm hoping gets the win, and Petr Yan always starts slow so he's a massive risk, even in a five rounder.

I think you have confused Volkanovski and Volkov If Volkanovski, a featherweight, would fight such heavyweight as Romanov, that would be hell of a show ~66-70kg vs 120kg

If Alex Volkov survive first round, Romanov would be without stamina till the end of the fight. Some people could say that Romanov, that has a wrestling base, would submit Volkov, that has a base of karate, I suggest you to re-watch Volkov vs Werdum fight. Werdum, as master of BJJ, did not manage to submit Alex during 16minutes. Tom Aspinall however managed to do that, but that is due to Volkov being slow. Volkov is tall, huge and slow.

That's just how it is when you are hated by the owner Dana White but you win the championship and as soon as someone who looks like doing something unbelievable, you are quickly replaced without even putting to second thought your hard work and sacrifices. That's why many already left their MMA league and pursue their pro career in other MMA competitions where they get enough acknowledgment and merits.  It's not just about the money from now on, but the disrespect is so awful that they didn't even consider giving a few months for Islam to wear that title and he strips him just like that.

No doubt that Jones cement his place in UFC history, but hard to say he is currently best fighter in UFC. Not every fighters, that is in UFC hall of fame was on p4p first place. For example Ronda Rousey, that probably introduced the world women MMA or at least was the first chick that brought women mma to a next level, is a member of UFC hall of fame, but never was in women p4p. There were even no p4p rating for women during her prime

I'm not an expert in fights (in fact, I don't even understand anything about fighting styles) and I'm not an expert in UFC either, I'm a newbie, but for the short time I've been following the ufc it seems to me that this ranking is based more on what the what fighter can bring to the ufc how he can benefit the ufc in terms of audience, I know that the fighter needs to be a strong guy to be at the top, but the criteria they use to assign these rankings seems to me that they analyze to what extent to give a high position to a certain fighter will be advantageous for the ufc itself

a good example of this is the case of c who didn't fight for years but the guy was already very strong and an image was created of being a guy who takes down anyone, even in this fight the comments i heard on youtube and that he wouldn't lose against ciryl gane,  I believe that the UFC marketing guys, even before the fight against ciryl gane, must have immediately thought about the benefit of having Jon Jones at the top, and now all attention is focused on Jon Jones and the advantages of the next fights

These two probably think that the UFC has scammed them, they have done a lot to surely get to the ranking that they deserve and that was with hard work but Jon Jones with just 1 fight now become the P4P number one even though Ciryl Gane isn't near the top, and eventually, Jon Jones beating Gane suddenly taken the pound-4-pound throne, I think many were pretty much confused about how UFC is ranking this even though they are a fan of Jon Jones or not it really shocking after the Islam Makhachev VS Alexander Volkonovski fight Makhachev also thought that he was in the number 1 spot but all of a sudden a 3 years absent inside the Octagon Jon Jones got a title fight and become the number 1 I think the UFC needs to explained this it is pretty much confusing actually,


Maybe you are right, they could be rating along with the hype train for Jones and his return to the octagon, and with that 1 win against Ciryl Gane that was currently the number 1 in the heavyweight division people thought that he is the real GOAT, upon getting this number 1 in the P4P many are really upset and not really buying this kind of preposterous kind of things that the UFC is giving them,

The pound for pound title is probably the most subjective title going, so I wouldn't read into it too much. However, I would say that Jon Jones is one of the most talented fighters to have ever competed inside the UFC. So, I can see why we would be in the running for pound for pound. However, I always feel weird giving heavyweights that title due to the fact they have some of the physical advantages that other weight classes don't.

Anyway, I'll get my predictions out tomorrow of the next event, since I don't think I'll be watching this one, as I've got other things planned.

All this UFC rankings doesn't make any sense.
Jon Jones was not fighting for years, now he won in one fight and he jumped on first place 
Many people are saying that he used drugs in his previous fights and I am sure he used steroids in last few years to get more muscle mass.
Jones is a good fighter despite all this, but he cheated before and I am just waiting for someone to accuse him again.

Jon Jones hit the top pound for pound ranking after finishing one fight, I was very surprised to find out the latest pound for pound list updates have been updated and it's hard to replace his position unless a fighter can clear him in his next fight, but I'm not sure for Stipe Miocic as he doesn't has the better fighting history than Jon Bones, he lost the heavyweight belt to Francis in his last fight, so Stipe's return won't change anything and if Jon Bones wins again in his next fight then the top pound for pound list position for Jon Jones is undefeated.

Gane might be angry that Jon Jones exposed him completely and the rest of the fighters will be following the same path to victory against him  .

Jon Jones does not need to fight again to cement his place as the greatest fighter in history, just look at his fighting career and he basically took on undefeated fighters throughout his career and even Jon Jones promised to stop Stipe Miocic before the championship rounds and with Stipe at 40 years and not fighting for the past two years, it will be a challenge for him against Jon Jones.

Jon Jones is basically undefeated in the UFC for the past decade fighting against the best, 15 title fights and he is regarded as the best ever to do that and he is the epitome of pound of pound best.

Alexander Volkanovski is more experienced compared to Romanov. That is probably something which is going to give Alexander Volkanovski the advantage. This is a very well matched fight. And if anyone thinks that after me saying Alexander Volkanovski has a lot more experience he is a lot older as well, it is not true. Volkanovski is currently 34 years old and his opponent is 32.

If we talk about the ranking of P4P fighters, I think this is just happening because of the hype of John Jones. After the hype goes away there will be big changes in the ranking.