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I love Islam but he doesn't deserve the p4p title. The match was close enough and Volk was division up. Volk didn't lose anything from this, he is still champ at 145 and proved what kind of a man he is. I can't wait the rematch. Neither Islam lost much, stayed champ next fight with Volk will be huge, big ppv money incoming. At the end it will be a really good year for fans since so many good fights are coming.

I don't think that fighters care so much about that p4p rating, it's more UFC and Dana White who cares about this, and in many cases it does not represent correct situation.
There are other independent MMA websites that have different pound for pound ratings, for ESPN best pound for pound fighter is Islam Makhachev, and on other website they placed Francis as number one and free agent:
https://rankingmma.com/p4p/

I think the more a champ has defended his title, he can remain to be the top p4p list and Volkanovski did it many times in his division. But I think he is now replaced by Islam since he is not a champ anymore.

Given that he wasn't knockout in thier fight, Dana will be obliged to really give him a chance to regain back the position. It will be one great story of his life if Alex can climb back to the top 1 again.

You don't have to be a fighter to figure out people like status. It's what drives our world, it's the reason there's competitions, and recognition for the highest performing in all sports. It's taught at a young age, that being the best is something to be proud of. So, yeah I think most people understand it. Even if the pound for pound title isn't exactly that official its a lot more subjective than the other achievements, such as belts. I don't get caught up too much in the nitty gritty of the pound for pound because it's so subjective. Although, I also believe that you shouldn't lose that supposed title if you've moved up, and got beaten by someone who is much larger than you.

Conor was probably the pound for pound champ in his peak, he dominated. Jon Jones is hard to gauge because he never really steeped out of his division until now. Then you've obviously got Khabib who also didn't try to take over other divisions, and stay put. I mean Khabib was brilliant, but his career in the UFC was rather short, so while he remained undefeated up to his retirement, there's no teller what could've happened given a little bit longer. A lot of fighters go on a streak to then later lose in their latter stages of their career, that's something normal, and somewhat expected.

TopTort777, Every fighter is going to care about being the number one fighter in pound for pound. I know it does not change anything. But the fighters also like the validation. Being number one in anything gives great validation to any man. So of course any man is going to chase that position. And I don't believe anyone who is not a fighter understands that. Even I would not understand that. And the "diamonds" that you are talking about who just train and never go pro are probably just scared or maybe they are just doing very good in other aspects of life. So they probably do not even fill the need to go pro in fighting

Sorry I thought he bad 3 belts but 2 belts is better then a lot of people that are on the p4p leader board. He was the 1st person to get 2 belts in 2 different divisions and he is still actively fighting. Jon Jones is only just returning from a long hiatus and might not be the same fighter he was a couple of years ago. He is going against Gane who could beat him easily because Jon might be very rusty. I agree if Jon Jones can perform like he did years ago I think he is the true p4p and is better then most fighters today and I can only see Gane and Ngannou having a chance against him.

Conor never had 3 belts, he only held 2 belts simultaneously, and was third fighter who was a champ of two divisions. I would argue that Conor could be top1 p4p when he was in his prime, surely he deserves a place, but not top3 p4p. If not mistaken, then by the time Conor was in his prime Jon Jones was top1 p4p. No chance Conor would move that guy from the Olympus   Or Demetrious Johnson with his 11 title defences.

If we judge pfp by that logic Connor Mcgregor is the pfp because he is the only fighter to have won belts in 3 different divisions but we all know that Connor Mcgregor is past his prime and probably could not beat any of the top 5 in the 155lbs division. I think Islam deserves the pfp title because no one else is a double champion and I think he can move down a division and take the belt from Volkanovski

It just means that wherever weight division you are, you are still the best fighter in all of them. That's why fighters who are strong enough to beat everyone in their weight division are willing to go up to conquer it and become the champion there. Until they reach their limit and when that happens, they deserve to challenge the current No.1 pound-for-pound fighter. Luckily for Islam, he managed to beat Volkanovski because of those takedowns and a few strikes because he just experiences for the first time in his career as a pro-UFC fighter how a real contender fought and he just merely won that fight.

Personally, I am actually going to like a rematch. Because it needs to be settled. And I don't see this rematch happening if it does not happen right now. Because if Islam Makhachev gets too much hooked up with the title race, Volcanovsky will probably not see a rematch anytime soon. The way I see it right now is the ball is in the court of Islam Makhachev. Give Volcanovsky a rematch, if he wants. He can also go after the title if he wants. In both ways, he's going to be benefited.

But the best is going to be him going for the title in my opinion. However, if UFC thinks about the pay per view, I think a rematch is going to make a lot more sense

^  Marketing...  If they're P4P king it means their stock is up and it also means more PPV points for events they're headlining.  Agree it's mostly bs and it's really just something for the fans to talk about.  But for the fighters it's all about getting the most money they can at the end of the day.

Anyway, here's my lottery ticket.  It's different from my Multi Master.  I'm going for underdogs who I think are live to get more value for my lottery ticket.  Dela Rosa is a longshot tho.  Lol.  It's just cos Suarez hasn't been in the cage for a long time.

Solecki - Aliev 1.77
Add: Muniz - Leavitt 4.74
Add:  Spann - Armfield 18.08
Add:  Lainesse - Peek 72.59
Add:  Mayes - Fernandez - Perez 531.45
Add:  Osbourne 1232.96
Add:  Dela Rosa 7397.77

I still dont understand why fighters care so much about pound for pound ranking. It does not mean that the fighter on the first place of this ranking is current worlds mma best fighter. There are so many promotion, that it is impossible to tell who really is the best. And there are "diamonds" that simply train, but never go professional. Even though they can beat lots of pros. Dont understand why there is so much talk about Islam or Volkanovski being top1 pound for pound. You dont get an extra belt for being top1 p4p, you dont get any extra payment bonuses for that.

That's fair enough, I mean the pound for pound title is subjective at best. It's suppose to mean the best fighter based on their weight. Khabib definitely should be considered for it, as well as Izzy. The thing with Izzy he actually did perform pretty well, and he was severely underweight in that fight. So, yeah it's expected that we would lose going in so light.

However, just because someone loses a fight, a very close one at that; in a higher division doesn't mean they should lose the pound for pound title in my opinion. Again, it's very subjective, but it's not like Makhachev in his normal weight class absolutely dominated Volk, far from it. It's the same with Izzy vs Jan, does anyone really think Jan is better? Or was it due to the physical advantages?

It is only a common practice that a p4p king losses that recognition if it lost its next fight even if it was outside of its normal division. But technically, it is not really a guarantee. The fight was very close and could've went either way tbh. P4p ranking is based on fighters' divisions and Volkanovski still seems invincible in his division.

Let's see if Makachev will listen to his mother since his dad seems to support him all the way. I believe Makachev will continue with his career. Still too many big and winnable fights for him. Instead of a rematch, I personally would love to see him defend his belt against either Oliveira and Poirier, or even Gaethji (needs a win first before facing Makachev).   

I think the rematch should be in Volkanovksi's title e.g. featherweight, because the first match Makhachev was taking risk to lose his title, so it should be Volkanovski's turn now. However it will not be easy for Volkanovski since he will fight with a pressure, but it might force him to be better and try anything in order to win the fight. At least we will know Volkanovski will become heavier underdog, so it would be more profitable than the first match.

And Alexander Volkanovski seems to be serious about a rematch with Islam Makhachev, which he actually reports on his Twitter in response to the call of Islam, so perhaps we can expect this soon, judging by the number of views and likes of the Volk tweet.

https://twitter.com/alexvolkanovski/status/1628318637571592192

Well I don't agree with that reasoning and nobody forced him to go division up, but same thing happened with Adesanya when he tried that and I think Adesanya is better fighter than Volkanovski pound for pound.
If UFC can make tricks like moving up Jon Jones in that ranking without any fights, than I can create my own Notblox ranking and put Khabib as still best pound for pound fighter in MMA

I do agree with you that we need rematch Volk vs Islam, but I see now Islam is already asking for his next opponent, that means mother, Volk and retirement will have to wait

Jon Jones gave up his UFC title because of a pay dispute. Well, he wanted a lot but at the same time it's true when he says that UFC fighters are truly underpaid and some of them can't even afford rent. On another hand, business is changing. No one will pay you if you can't sell the show. Dana White said that being a good fighter doesn't give you more revenue but your ability to sell show, that's why Conor Mcgregor, Floyd Mayweather and some other make millions per fight.
To summarize, it's the business model of UFC and at the same time UFC is the only famous MMA promoter while boxing is old, popular and well-established in society.

Pound for pound means best per pound of weight basically. Remember, that Volk moved up, just because he lost doesn't actually make Islam the number one pound for pound. I would agree with the reasoning that Volk is still the pound for pound champ. He basically moved up, and nearly won. That's the very definition in my opinion.

Obviously, to really cement things I think we'll need the rematch. It was just too close to call. I also, don't take Islam as much as a family man as Khabib. I might be wrong in that, but Khabib left at a time where he was dominant. I don't see Islam being quite as dominant at the moment. That could change, obviously.

Shev may be old but so far she hasn't shown any signs of slowing down.  We'll see her back in the cage vs Grasso at IFC 285.  Should be good as they're both strikers...

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/726743-ufc-285-valentina-bullet-shevchenko-vs-alexa-grasso

But Shev does have a wrestling advantage if it comes to the clinch as I think she's physically stronger than Grasso.  Shev has a hip throw.

Anyway here's another vid to watch before the event.  Enjoy.

UFC Free Fight:  Spann vs Reyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4EwMham5nY