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The UFC contract is squeezing them and they don't even have the chance to make money somewhere else because the contract says so. It's kind of like modern Gladiator/slavery in the new age but only a few got the balls to fight back because Dana or his org can actually ruin thier lives.

Demetrious Johnson doesn't even want to speak anymore about his way out. Francis may actually not get into some fights even in other organizations like PFL or Bellator. Apart that Ngannou is scary to fight with, Dana's friends are all over.  It's going to bite Dana if he gets an opportunity in boxing with Tyson Fury. I think this is possible since Francis is already famous. It's just the demand for this fight that has to work out.

Because there's always at least two sides to every story and it seems like you've already made your mind up here for some reason. Why aren't you accusing Dana White of being greedy offering terrible lowball contracts to even his biggest superstars forcing them to go elsewhere? UFC contracts are already notoriously pretty stingy and also don't allow you to get paid by external sponsors for your kit etc. Ngannou is likely literally losing out millions because of that. I'd argue he's probably losing far more than what the UFC are giving him even on this extended contract that will have been essentially a slave contract for a ludicrous amount of fights like the 8 Jon Jones is now on. It might not even be about the money for Francis but how restrictive the contracts are and he just feels he will be better off elsewhere. The UFC won't allow him to box either and the potential fight with Tyson Fury might be more lucrative than his entire UFC contract. I don't blame Francis or all the other UFC fighters that are leaving in droves either. When Nate Diaz is getting paid double for a random fight than what Francis is getting for a title fight against one his most challenging opponent you know something isn't right but before you make your mind up I'd at least wait to hear what Francis has to say. Francis might just feels disrespected by the UFC and he certainly has a right to be because he wasn't getting what he was worth for his previous fights. Francis seemed to be being pretty reasonable about his contact situation during his injury but I'm guessing Dana didn't want to let him box or pay him what he was truly worth so now here we are.


Doesn't have anything to do with that. You've been here since 2018 so you're not exactly new unless you bought this account. You're entitled to your own opinion but you're basing it entirely off of what Dana has said and don't even seem willing to wait to find out what Francis has to say. You might as well just be telling Francis to shut up and sign a document without you or him even reading it. Since Francis didn't sign he must have some pretty good reasons for doing so as he's walking away from a lot of money and the biggest MMA promotion but he shouldn't resign just because of those things either.

Why wait ? Everyone already know what Francis Ngannou would say. Contract, contract, contract. Without giving particular details. I think he wants things to be following: he fights a guy and then go immediately to cash desk for cash money. Wake-up Francis Ngannou! We are in modern civilized world, where everything and everyone are bound with contracts and obligations. He probably wanted to be in biggest MMA promotion and be free to fight and to do whatever he wants. That does not work like that. Congratulations on being unemployed now.


I value freedom. I just dont understand his motives. I have a contract with my employer also. I have to be at work 9 to 5, 5 days per week. If I were him, I would probably complain that I cant do a 4-day vacation in a middle of a week, coz "I dont like awful contract".

UFC had a precedent with a fighter who hated their contract - Tito Ortiz. Quit UFC, but later returned back like a beaten dog and performed 1-5. Very smart decision.

P.S. I understand you. You dont like me, coz I am new here and dare to say bad about Francis Ngannou...

I'd wait for Francis' side of the story before you make judgment and you also need to take Dana's comments with a pinch of salt as well because Dana is already seemingly trying to make the narrative about Francis being scared of fighting certain people which sounds like butthurt BS to me. Francis' coach has already come out and said Francis doesn't want to be a sell-out: https://www.instagram.com/p/CnfjW8XJuQL/

Looks like Francis himself might be going on Ariel's podcast today so hopefully we'll get his side of the story then, but when Dana said he offered Ngannou the highest heavyweight contract in history that might not mean much given how often they stiff the fighters and don't pay them what they're worth. He might have offered Francis a dollar more than the terrible pay he's previously offered superstar heavyweights and that would still technically be 'the highest pay'. He could have offered Francis a mere million or so dollars advance and you might think that's a lot but it's not when Francis can probably get that for a single sponsor on his shorts which you cannot do in the UFC so you have to take all this into consideration rather than being a slave to the UFC. What they probably did was offer Francis a large sum of money upfront for x amount of fights which will look a lot on paper but not anywhere near what he's worth. Dana mentioned he'd signed Jon Jones to an eight fight deal and I bet he tried to do the same with Francis but Francis probably isn't desperate for the money whereas Jon Jones probably is given he hasn't fought in ages and regularly gets himself into trouble so Jon will take what he can get and secure his future which is always perilous with him.


He's in a precarious place for sure. He can of course easily sign with any other MMA organisation but they probably won't pay him what he would have got with the UFC, though maybe one promotion might overpay for him and give him a massive bag to get the huge exposure and all eyes on them to take away some market share from the UFC so it might pay off that way. Hopefully he gets a mega crossover boxing even with someone like Fury which there was certainly talks behind the scenes about and Fury even posted something on his Instagram recently about it now Francis is a free agent. Making that fight is easier said than done though because everyone wants to fight Fury so he's in demand and will have a lot of mandatory challengers queuing up to fight him which he will have to take. I dare say there will likely be a Usyk rematch as well along with potential fights with AJ and Joe Joyce so it could be years before he's free.

Very controversy situation with Francis Ngannou. He is inactive for a year already. I hope he knows what he is doing. So far I havent heard he has signed different contract with anyone else. But I predict that promotions will now fight for him. UFC has made him famous. Now Francis is able to select an easy path - promotion with weaker heavyweight than UFC has, and sign a big contract with them. Beat few bags, grab billions and retire  

Are you just saying this because you are upset about Francis Ngannou leaving the UFC, I really don't think wanting more is really bad or greedy if your intention was for your family alone, but we can not judge someone if what is his real intention why he needed high money for his contracts but also Francis Ngannou also wants health benefits for the rest of the fighters in the UFC I really think that is not a real greedy intention at all, and lastly he also wants to be free the feeling of not showing yourself on a boxing match is kind of something that he doesn't want,


I really think he has already shown enough to the UFC, and he is really great at changing plans when he is at the edge like he has shown against Cyril Gane, I really think that is remarkable indeed, so wanting freedom is really a great step in the right direction and wanting to change the organization for the better I think that is not really a greedy intention, aswell as wanting more money along as it is for the benefit of your family and for your future is a great thing to have, and as a fighter he knows he can not fight forever so securing his financial comes 1st,

I think it's not an easy money, Monero vs Figueirido and Teixeira vs Hill are 50/50.

It's not a betting advice, but I'm more convinced Hill will beat Teixeira since Hill is quicker and have a power to knock down Teixeira. Although maybe split decision might high likely happen since judges always biased with favorited fighter.

The woman fight Lauren Murphy vs Jessica Andrade also interesting since Murphy is currently top 4 while Andrade is top 6, but Murphy is a heavy underdog in this fight.

The thing is, Imavov doesn't really do take downs.  The ones he attempted were out of desparation as Strickland knew he could take Imavov's punches so Strickland just walked Imavov down.  Lol.  Different story vs Cannonier.  Strickland couldn't walk Cannonier down even if he wanted to.  He could try but he'll be KO'd. 

It was a massive opportunity for Imavov but in hinsight he could be seeing taking it as a mistake.  I hope he got paid good money as Strickland did...

This weekend will be the UFC 283, and I'm excited about seeing Brandon Moreno in action, that guy already make me win some money and I'm sure he will win this one. I'm thinking about making a parlay with Gilbert Burns + Brandon Moreno + Glover Teixeira. I'm not sure about how much I will bet on it, but I see it's a nice x4.5


What do you think guys? is that x4.5 easy money?

It is not about being greedy in my opinion. It is also important to note that it is not just about him getting money. It seems to me that he is trying to make a change in his life. It is very likely that he wants to see fighters getting very well paid in the future. This is the reason why he is trying to make a change by doing these things. But who knows? There is also a possibility that it might just be a matter of money as well

A greedy man will always like money no matter what's involved. Francis Ngannou can't be greedy and refused not to fight when money is placed. Try and make your fact right.

Francis Ngannou's reasons for calling his boxing career a quit are okay. He has every right to express how he feels or quit anytime he feels like. He is not prohibited of do such.

It's not about being greedy or not. It's about respecting himself and his decisions.

Either Ngannou is greedy or you are not very smart and you don't understand the value of freedom.
Fighters have been complaining about bad conditions in UFC, no rights, no health insurance, and they are like a slaves for them, unless you are Connor McGregor.
I want to congratulate Ngannou for standing up and not getting bullied by Dana and his friends, maybe he can slap and abuse his wife but not heavyweight champions.
Slimy Dana even claimed that Ngannou escaped UFC because he is afraid of Jon Jones coming back, this guy is a piece of shit liar, even his own mother confirmed that.

If he was offered big, Francis would have accepted. He is very vocal about what he wants to do, he wants to get paid big just like the biggest stars he know such as McGregor or Jones himself. There are several MMAs also up to make money just like the money that boxers earn every fight.

Francis bet to himself and set on his own. If he gets the chance for Fury vs Ngnannou, that would be it.
Dana could have given one more fight for Francis vs Jones but Dana was already upset and he would be more upset if Jones will be defeated by Francis.

There is no logic in your words, you say that he is greedy for money, but he refused to increase the pay. There was no hanging as such, the matter is a little different there, the problem of long-term contracts of the UFC is that the fighter, after signing the contract, his fees remain unchanged throughout the duration of the contract.

The UFC did not want to give him a contract for two fights, and Nganu wants to realize his goals outside the UFC, but here too, everything is not so simple. He does not have any agreements for boxing, it is not clear how mutch he can be paid for this if this does happen. For the UFC, his departure is a loss, many of his records will remain unbroken for a long time, but this is his decision.

What a greedy man Francis Ngannou is. He is a living proof that if a person had poor and hungry childhood, he will think only about money. I cant believe he has left UFC even after they offered him highest payment in UFC history. Francis Ngannou only excuse was - he does not like the contract. He feels like he is a slave. If he is a slave, then other are blind and dream to get into UFC. I dont believe that it is all about contract. If contract really was such a nightmare, everyone would reveal that long time ago.

UFC 283



Date: January 22, 2023
Main Card: SUN, JAN 22 / 5:00 AM EET
Prelims: SUN, JAN 22 / 3:00 AM EET
Early prelims: SUN, JAN 22 / 1:00 AM EET

Venue: Jeunesse Arena (Brazil)

Main card (ESPN+)
Light Heavyweight: Glover Teixeira vs. Jamahal Hill
Flyweight: Deiveson Figueiredo vs. Brandon Moreno
Welterweight: Gilbert Burns vs. Neil Magny            
Women's Flyweight: Jéssica Andrade vs. Lauren Murphy            
Light Heavyweight: Paul Craig vs. Johnny Walker

Preliminary card (ABC / ESPN / ESPN+)
Light Heavyweight: Maurício Rua vs. Ihor Potieria            
Middleweight: Gregory Rodrigues vs. Brunno Ferreira            
Lightweight: Thiago Moisés vs. Melquizael Costa            
Welterweight: Mounir Lazzez vs. Gabriel Bonfim

Early preliminary card (ESPN+ / UFC Fight Pass)
Heavyweight: Shamil Abdurakhimov vs. Jailton Almeida            
Lightweight: Terrance McKinney vs. Ismael Bonfim            
Welterweight: Warlley Alves vs. Nicolas Dalby            
Women's Featherweight: Josiane Nunes vs. Zarah Fairn Dos Santos            
Bantamweight: Luan Lacerda vs. Cody Stamann            
Bantamweight: Saimon Oliveiravs. Daniel Marcos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_283

Well, those takedowns of Nassourdine Imavov are just for dangerous strikers and Sean Strickland is an exception because he is both a striker and wrestler, so he surely knows what he is going to do with Nassourdine Imavov, I think Nassourdine Imavov is a different Dagestan wrestler, even though he is like that Nassourdine Imavov for me is not champion material,


Looking forward to the next matches for Umar Nurmagomedov, for me, he may have decent boxing now, and even though it is not technical pretty much his kicks were fast enough to make his opponent have a hard time over it, and I think that his boxing is like Khabib's that overhand and has fast jab was his overhand punches even though it is not technical it doesn't really need that because it was so fast that Raoni Barcelos can not react to it, and with this kind of strikes and good reach with those kicks and a lethal wrestling that is like Khabib and Islam, Umar Nurmagomedov if he likes it can be a champion in the future,

What a shocking performance from him because these guys are known to beat their opponents via submission and surprisingly he just knocked out his opponent in the first round not only then his opponent was not known to be an easy guy he hasn't been knockout like this in his career before. I guess it was just an unexpected turn of events against Raoni Barcelos because he wasn't aware of his opponent's huge power and caught him by surprise. That was just a random and amazing win for him, they are now really improving well because fans are bored to see them win every fight by submission and now they are changing their courses.

Sean Strickland showed how good he's even though he only have 3 days to prepare the fight against Imamov, but surely Imamov will get a good lesson after this fight.

Well the next event we will see a fight between Teixeira vs Hill, it's really crazy how Teixeira still active fighting despite he's already old. Hill is really fast and he have a power to knock out Teixeira, Teixeira need to be careful with spinning kick or other unpredictable attack from Hill that will make Teixeira fall sleep.

But I think Ciryl Gane replacing Ngannou is not that bad and whoever will win become the new heavyweight champion.

Now that the UFC Fight Night: Strickland vs. Imavov is already settled here are the results of my picks

Sean Strickland VS Nassourdine Imavov ROUND 5 DECISION - LOST

Sean Strickland just takes down Nassourdine Imavov while Imavov is having a hardtime on takedowns and repeatedly failed to takedown Strickland, this means Nassourdine Imavov is not on the level of another Dagestan wrestler, I think that he only took down strikers but against Sean Strickland that is also a wrestler you can see the difference Sean Strickland did a tremendous job in stopping the takedowns and giving a takedown to Nassourdine Imavov aswell, for me it was a close match Nassourdine Imavov did really great to the upper ranked Strickland since both fighters didn't have preparation but it was really a great fight,

Dan Ige VS Damon Jackson ROUND 2 KO/TKO - WIN

A crazy left hook from Dan Ige knockout Damon Jackson, I thought that Jackson will go with the takedowns against Dan Ige it surely led to a fast finish punch, and just like  I have said Dan Ige sure has to knock power and even though Jackson taller, he only took a fraction to be down on the ground, or Damon Jackson doesn't have the durable chin to withstand that punch,

Umar Nurmagomedov VS Raoni Barcelos ROUND 1 KO/TKO - WIN

Umar Nurmagomedov crazy knockout win, and as usual, those fast kicks to set it up, I was wrong in betting it to go to the ground and win via submission, and this is the 1st time Umar knocked someone and it was against an unknockable opponent Raoni Barcelo, so I think Umar Nurmagomedov can accent to be champion someday,