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Finally Makhachev has an opponent. But if Makhachev wins, he wont get a higher place in top or wont be mandatory challenger for a title fight.

Quote from: Welsh on September 30, 2021, 04:01:06 PM

Personally, if I was Adesanya, and I did have to fight him. I wouldn't be kickboxing him, I'd be taking him down, and trying to get some GnP. There's just too much risk, and with him getting knocked out by him before, and the only one there might be some self doubt in there. So, I would absolutely concentrate on welcoming him to the MMA world by mixing it up a little.

Alex Pereira is familiar with MMA, but his record and experience are not as huge as Adesanyas. Press mention that Pereira is signed to UFC, but he continues to perform in kickboxing. Even if he will start to fight in UFC, years will pass till he will have a fight against Adesanya. Pereira mush have a series of victories and Adesanya must lose several times - this is the only scenario when they can meet in the octagon.

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I'd go with a decision win for Machachev, I just don't see Hooker dealing with the grappling, and isn't likely to get the knockout which I think his is only chance of winning that fight. As for the Thiago Santos vs Johnny Walker fight, I'll always put a cheeky bet on Thiago knockout out his opponent. Especially, when he has more rounds to do it. I think the Kevin Holland vs Kyle Daukaus fight is an interesting one, it'll be interesting to see how Kevin performs against a big puncher, but it'll also be interesting to see if Kyle Daukaus tries to take it to the mat considering Holland's weakness down there.

On paper this weekend's event is one of the better one's though I always find the relatively unknown fighters on cards are always the most exciting, and the most anticipated ones are somewhat uneventful in comparison.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 30, 2021, 04:35:43 AM

Came across funny picture today. Cant resist not to share Cheesy

This is spot on imho. Bobby Knuckles just needs baggier pants.

In other news. This is really interesting, one of the best matchups I have seen in a while. Might as well be the main event. Even though I give Makachev the advantage, I think Hooker will give him a run for his money.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 30, 2021, 11:03:25 AM

What about this guy? He is the only one who KO'ed stylebender. Now he is in UFC. He wont get a title fight immediately, but there are high chances that these two will meet.

I did post something about this when the news broke I believe. I think in a flat out kickboxing match up, then he probably does have a decent chance. Although, he's entering the MMA world, and I feel like he's just going to get bullied in the grappling, and wrestling department. I doubt he will ever reach the position that he could face off against Adesanya. Though, who really knows I haven't seen his skills past the kickboxing, he might be like Adesanya where his take down defense is good. IF that's the case then we could have a potential grudge fight on our hands, which I'm all for. I'd love some competition in the division for Adesanya, things are very close to becoming stale.

Personally, if I was Adesanya, and I did have to fight him. I wouldn't be kickboxing him, I'd be taking him down, and trying to get some GnP. There's just too much risk, and with him getting knocked out by him before, and the only one there might be some self doubt in there. So, I would absolutely concentrate on welcoming him to the MMA world by mixing it up a little.

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One of this fighters will have a chance to go back on top and Johnny Walker is not impressed with UFC champ Jan Blachowicz, but I don't think he will pass by Thiago Santos.
This is going to be All-Brazilian fight and Johnny Walker is promising people will see something new from him, and he improved English language skills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtRICEuec_Q

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Quote from: notblox1 on September 28, 2021, 02:53:09 PM

Anyone still interested in story of that scumbag Jon Jones?
Police released a report about Jon Jones returning drunk in his hotel room, beating his fiancee in front of her kids, and she was later found by police, afraid with blood on her face and clothes.
Problem started when he wanted to take $10,000 from hotel room and then go to strip club.
Full report: https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/91/2021/09/jon-jones-las-vegas-police-arrest-report.pdf

Without official information, I thought that maybe it was just theater to make more hype around him and make more money from advertising. This report completely changes the picture of the situation.
Dana White should throw him out immediately to show that UFC is a place for real fighters, not criminals.
Well, it looks like anyway we won't see him for a long time .. And I hope not only in the UFC arena, but on the street in general.

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Quote from: bittraffic on September 30, 2021, 10:31:11 AM

Isnt Whittaker from Australia which does have a strict lockdown? Some say there is a martial law there actually.

The first fight was close to defeating Adesanya, its not very surprising that Whittaker has given another chance. Ifnhe had learned from their first encounter, there will be a high chance for him to win.

Robert Whittaker is from Australia, but Israel Adesanya once said that he will never fight in that country or on that continent. With all that restrictions, it will be hard to create a good card there. Everyone needs visas. It will also be hard and unprofitable probably. Most of the fighters are from US - why then fly half of the world to have a fight? But who knows, who knows how things are going to be.

Quote from: Welsh on September 30, 2021, 09:53:51 AM

I think Whittaker is the only one capable of beating him. Though, I'm a fan of Adesanya so I'll be routing for him.

Kickboxing standout Alex Pereira has penned a contract with the UFC and will make his debut at UFC 268 on Nov. 6.

What about this guy? He is the only one who KO'ed stylebender. Now he is in UFC. He wont get a title fight immediately, but there are high chances that these two will meet.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 30, 2021, 04:08:30 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 29, 2021, 03:00:56 PM

Hey guys, instead of talking of Jones and all the bs about what’s going on with him outside the UFC let’s help each other fimd some nice spots for the next event. Here are some of the sites I use for stats and fighter pro records.

https://www.tapology.com/

https://fightmetric.rds.ca/events/upcoming

http://ufcstats.com/

This is what I use for watching past matches.

https://mmacore.tv/

Whoa! thanks for all of this link, that could be really helpful with the research and for taking a clear decision in betting, I really like to watch full non-cut recent fights for fighters that I am looking up, so thanks for these helpful links.

It’s also in the op for like over a couple of months now. I’ve been adding sites as soon as I see if they’re good. Anyway, I encourage every reg in the thread to keep looking at stats, the betting market and watch the events. That way we could basically work together and find which spots are good.

Betting market site: https://www.bestfightodds.com/

^ That’s useful for optics and the lines are well organized and easy to find.

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Quote from: Welsh on September 30, 2021, 09:53:51 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 30, 2021, 09:41:05 AM

We might wait for a long time before we would see Adesanya again. The reason is simple - virus. You know its name, the one all sport is in deep ass right now - covid-19. With all these restrictions, it is hard for him to get to the US. So far it is majority of the UFC events are on he US territory and fighters from New Zealand need a visa to get there. Not mentioning all these 10-14 days lockdown periods. His teammate, Dan Hooker, who has fought last weekend, had a lot of troubles getting a visa.

As far as I know, it's generally easier for top level athletes to get a visa. He has all the support behind him if it's for a fight, and can afford to off load the legal process to his team, and concentrate on training. I expect Adesanya to be fighting early 2022. Hopefully, that'll be against Whittaker, as I think at the moment that's the only fight which makes sense, and personally within that division I think Whittaker is the only one capable of beating him. Though, I'm a fan of Adesanya so I'll be routing for him.

Isnt Whittaker from Australia which does have a strict lockdown? Some say there is a martial law there actually.

The first fight was close to defeating Adesanya, its not very surprising that Whittaker has given another chance. Ifnhe had learned from their first encounter, there will be a high chance for him to win.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 30, 2021, 09:41:05 AM

We might wait for a long time before we would see Adesanya again. The reason is simple - virus. You know its name, the one all sport is in deep ass right now - covid-19. With all these restrictions, it is hard for him to get to the US. So far it is majority of the UFC events are on he US territory and fighters from New Zealand need a visa to get there. Not mentioning all these 10-14 days lockdown periods. His teammate, Dan Hooker, who has fought last weekend, had a lot of troubles getting a visa.

As far as I know, it's generally easier for top level athletes to get a visa. He has all the support behind him if it's for a fight, and can afford to off load the legal process to his team, and concentrate on training. I expect Adesanya to be fighting early 2022. Hopefully, that'll be against Whittaker, as I think at the moment that's the only fight which makes sense, and personally within that division I think Whittaker is the only one capable of beating him. Though, I'm a fan of Adesanya so I'll be routing for him.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 30, 2021, 08:33:50 AM

I am really excited in seeing Israel Adesanya will fight again.

We might wait for a long time before we would see Adesanya again. The reason is simple - virus. You know its name, the one all sport is in deep ass right now - covid-19. With all these restrictions, it is hard for him to get to the US. So far it is majority of the UFC events are on he US territory and fighters from New Zealand need a visa to get there. Not mentioning all these 10-14 days lockdown periods. His teammate, Dan Hooker, who has fought last weekend, had a lot of troubles getting a visa.

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It's obvious why the UFC are still interested in him, he's one of the best combat sports athletes in it's history, and while he does have controversies they actually somewhat benefit the UFC. I know it's a terrible thing to talk about, and I'm absolutely not condoning anything he has or will do, but from a UFC perspective they just see the money, more people will tune in because of the idea of watching him get knocked out. Think about boxing, and how Mayweather is perceived by fans, you've probably got the minority actually liking him as a person, and boxer, but really the reason he brings in such a crowd is because people want to see him get knocked out or lose a fight.

It's sickening that the richer, and more famous you are generally the more that you can get away with. I haven't verified the above claims, but if it's true that his partner made the statement that the blood was from dry lips (or whatever reason was given), then there should be some sort of duty of care to actually validate that as truth, rather than just believing it.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on September 30, 2021, 04:35:43 AM

For me the hardest thing to understand why he is not fired from UFC.

In wikipedia, his Controversies part is same size as his Mixed martial arts career. No doubt, that as a fighter he is good, but I dont like him as a person. Now he is in UFC hall of fame.

He has helped UFC to make a lot of money, but now he refuses to fight because he wants a bigger cheque. UFC dont want to pay him, but keep him in organization. What for?

Came across funny picture today. Cant resist not to share Cheesy

Maybe there is something deeper explanation here but we can not really understand UFC real intention in keeping Jon Jones, I really think they can definitely take Jones down, and in this new thing that he did, this is really the peak in what the worst things he can surely do, but let's just say there might be a thing that they can not let go of Jon Jone's and they are the ones that really know that, and I am moving on to this issue because there is no good thing talking about it anymore.

And with that picture, whoa! great stuff but I am really excited in seeing Israel Adesanya will fight again.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 30, 2021, 04:08:30 AM

This is really bad and I really don't know why the UFC doesn't even make a move about this and they keep on obscuring the truth even though the public really doesn't want something about Jon Jones anymore on what happens regarding his fiancee, this is really low and for this to never happen again, we should not support any Jon Jones fight, even though I don't really like him in the first place.

For me the hardest thing to understand why he is not fired from UFC.

In wikipedia, his Controversies part is same size as his Mixed martial arts career. No doubt, that as a fighter he is good, but I dont like him as a person. Now he is in UFC hall of fame.

He has helped UFC to make a lot of money, but now he refuses to fight because he wants a bigger cheque. UFC dont want to pay him, but keep him in organization. What for?

Came across funny picture today. Cant resist not to share Cheesy

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 29, 2021, 03:00:56 PM

Hey guys, instead of talking of Jones and all the bs about what’s going on with him outside the UFC let’s help each other fimd some nice spots for the next event. Here are some of the sites I use for stats and fighter pro records.

https://www.tapology.com/

https://fightmetric.rds.ca/events/upcoming

http://ufcstats.com/

This is what I use for watching past matches.

https://mmacore.tv/

Whoa! thanks for all of this link, that could be really helpful with the research and for taking a clear decision in betting, I really like to watch full non-cut recent fights for fighters that I am looking up, so thanks for these helpful links.

Quote from: TopTort777 on September 30, 2021, 01:22:36 AM

Jon Jones managed to get away from this situation. (*sight* again…)

His girlfriend or wife had blood on the face, clothes, bag and hotel bed sheets had blood on them. When the police asked her about it, she has told that she has dry lips. Such a lame excuse. I think she got frightened by Jones. Who was released on bail.

Jones told that he will never drink again and he got in all these troubles because of the injuries he gets in the sport. Trying to play on the fact, that he receives a lot of strikes in the head and due that alcohol makes such an impact on him. As if his brain cant cope with alco and pressure. But he promises not to give up and to recover.

Frankly, the guy is just trying to get off the hook. And in half a year, same alco story will be repeated.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySzYJSM93E (hit subs button, as video is in Russian)

This is really bad and I really don't know why the UFC doesn't even make a move about this and they keep on obscuring the truth even though the public really doesn't want something about Jon Jones anymore on what happens regarding his fiancee, this is really low and for this to never happen again, we should not support any Jon Jones fight, even though I don't really like him in the first place.

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I don't know if we here went through the recent news but there it is: Dominic Cruz vs Pedro Munhoz is in the works for UFC299, Cejudo takes time from his busy schedule of translating Mike Tyson's thoughts to call out Volkanovski for whatever reason, and Mark Hunt won the court case against the UFC regarding Lesnar's PED use on UFC200.

Thoughts?

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Jon Jones managed to get away from this situation. (*sight* again…)

His girlfriend or wife had blood on the face, clothes, bag and hotel bed sheets had blood on them. When the police asked her about it, she has told that she has dry lips. Such a lame excuse. I think she got frightened by Jones. Who was released on bail.

Jones told that he will never drink again and he got in all these troubles because of the injuries he gets in the sport. Trying to play on the fact, that he receives a lot of strikes in the head and due that alcohol makes such an impact on him. As if his brain cant cope with alco and pressure. But he promises not to give up and to recover.

Frankly, the guy is just trying to get off the hook. And in half a year, same alco story will be repeated.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySzYJSM93E (hit subs button, as video is in Russian)

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 28, 2021, 03:21:16 PM

Edit: And what did his wife do? Was there a reason why she got beaten up? There has to be a reason.

If the rumours are to be believed, then I would presume it would have to do with her refusing to give him the $10,000 or at least trying to persuade him to not go to the strip club. Although, I'm not entirely sure I agree with your opinion about there having to be a reason. Some people are just dicks, and hurt those that are closest to them, I've seen it, and there absolutely doesn't have to be a reason for someone to harm someone else, well at least not something that they're responsible for, usually it's the attacker that has the issues.

Personally, I've never liked Jon Jones, and quite frankly I'm happy he's just a memory in UFC. Hopefully, he stays that way, and if he is/has been found guilty, then I'd like to see the book thrown at him. I don't get why celebrities, and basically rich people tend to get away with serious crimes like this.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 28, 2021, 04:19:22 PM

^ Yeah I guess all the bs going on with their lives that’s outside the UFC is added entertainment value for the fans. Lol. We never know... Dana White could have been fist pumping in the air and yelling ‘YES! Ngannou vs Jones 2022!’ when he heard the news. Cheesy

And I think this could force Jones to take a fight.. Any fight since he’ll be needing money to pay the lawyers and all.

Maybe he is going to start his next training camp in prison, if uncle Dana don't give him one more get out of jail card

I see some people started to talk about topic of UFC releasing Jon Jones, and Jones replied that he promise to quit drinking Grin

I bet Cormier laughed hard when he heard this.

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