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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 09, 2021, 03:54:58 AM

Quote from: TheNineClub on September 09, 2021, 02:42:53 AM

I am surprised as he had a solid winning streak until his loss a couple of days ago, but I guess Glory doesn't have the financial capability as UFC does. That being said, I am sceptical of kickboxers transitioning to MMA big leagues that suddenly. Gokhan Saki had more or less the same MMA background when coming into the UFC and unfortunately had nothing to show.

There are different transitions for every fighter switching careers not all people could be as good as Anderson Silva from boxing to the UFC but we can never know until Alex Pereira would simply know what he is doing inside the ring and as a kickboxer, I think he has established his striking very well but he can surely add wrestling into the mix well it is up to a fighter if he would go that route or just stick in plain striking, let's just wait when he fights inside the ring.

Anderson from Boxing to UFC? Not really, he had a couple of boxing fights at the same time as doing MMA and actually started as doing MT and BJJ at the same time.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 09, 2021, 01:03:55 PM

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Well, it is up to him to add something to his arsenal and the best way to do it is to add wrestling, but it is still OK if he will go to a Striking route just like Israel Adesanya, he will need to polish his takedown defense to ready himself with an opponent that has Wrestling moves, but yes takedown still has a huge score for the judge, but I think he already polishes with his striking with punch and kicks because he comes from kickboxing so he is really ready when it comes to that aspect, but when it comes to a well-rounded game inside the octagon.

It is not that easy as it is said, to add wrestling at a later stage in career will not be easy, if so everyone would be transitioning well who has a striking background, they would spend time wrestling and they will be the best. There are some fighters like GSP who had a striking background but he is known for his wrestling skills inside the MMA community because he was quick to learn them and implement them against the best wrestlers but you cannot expect everyone to be like GSP.

The best they can do is basic takedown defense and if you are against elite wrestlers like Khabib it wont work either.

Exactly this. Adding something so late in his fighting career is so much harder than just training wrestling. It's not a technique thing, it's a mental thing because you need to start thinking in a completly different way.

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I'll probably get my fight predictions for the up, and coming event tomorrow.

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I've updated UFC Fight Night: Smith vs. Spann post, and are having some worth watching fight next weekend.

Ion Cutelaba vs. Devin Clark is definitely worth watching. Cutelaba was very good before he joined UFC, and Clark impressed Dana White during "Dana White Looking For a Fighter" that he signed him immediately.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on September 09, 2021, 06:57:30 PM

Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 09, 2021, 01:03:55 PM

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Well, it is up to him to add something to his arsenal and the best way to do it is to add wrestling, but it is still OK if he will go to a Striking route just like Israel Adesanya, he will need to polish his takedown defense to ready himself with an opponent that has Wrestling moves, but yes takedown still has a huge score for the judge, but I think he already polishes with his striking with punch and kicks because he comes from kickboxing so he is really ready when it comes to that aspect, but when it comes to a well-rounded game inside the octagon.

It is not that easy as it is said, to add wrestling at a later stage in career will not be easy, if so everyone would be transitioning well who has a striking background, they would spend time wrestling and they will be the best. There are some fighters like GSP who had a striking background but he is known for his wrestling skills inside the MMA community because he was quick to learn them and implement them against the best wrestlers but you cannot expect everyone to be like GSP.
The best they can do is basic takedown defense and if you are against elite wrestlers like Khabib it wont work either.

Transitioning can be tough, but it has been done before. But as it was done by a lot of great fighters, maybe they made it look easy than it actually was.
In Usman vs Covington, I will say Usman has better chances of winning because he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve that people often underestimate. His method is often not popular but effective, and Adesanya is in just fabulous form right now, whoever challenges him feels like an idiot inside the ring. Or maybe Adesanya makes his opponent feel like that. I think it will need a great fighter to beat him right now.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 09, 2021, 01:03:55 PM

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Well, it is up to him to add something to his arsenal and the best way to do it is to add wrestling, but it is still OK if he will go to a Striking route just like Israel Adesanya, he will need to polish his takedown defense to ready himself with an opponent that has Wrestling moves, but yes takedown still has a huge score for the judge, but I think he already polishes with his striking with punch and kicks because he comes from kickboxing so he is really ready when it comes to that aspect, but when it comes to a well-rounded game inside the octagon.

It is not that easy as it is said, to add wrestling at a later stage in career will not be easy, if so everyone would be transitioning well who has a striking background, they would spend time wrestling and they will be the best. There are some fighters like GSP who had a striking background but he is known for his wrestling skills inside the MMA community because he was quick to learn them and implement them against the best wrestlers but you cannot expect everyone to be like GSP.

The best they can do is basic takedown defense and if you are against elite wrestlers like Khabib it wont work either.

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34 years old fighter? He will be an easy win for any fighter with wrestling or BJJ base. I dont know what he is going to show against more younger fighters. I think that the peak of his form has already gone. He will be just a regular fighter to fill the card imo.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on September 09, 2021, 11:47:05 AM

Yes, I think he should add wrestling as one of his skill sets. Because we know he can kick pretty well but what if someone doesn't give him the space he needs. And that is surely going to happen when he faces someone who has really good grappling skills. A good grappler will always try to close the gap to score takedowns and try to go for ground and pound. If he has wrestling skills he will be able to defend himself in that situation far better. And if he does not consider learning wrestling, he better stay on his feet in the ring because if he goes down it will be trouble for him.

Well, it is up to him to add something to his arsenal and the best way to do it is to add wrestling, but it is still OK if he will go to a Striking route just like Israel Adesanya, he will need to polish his takedown defense to ready himself with an opponent that has Wrestling moves, but yes takedown still has a huge score for the judge, but I think he already polishes with his striking with punch and kicks because he comes from kickboxing so he is really ready when it comes to that aspect, but when it comes to a well-rounded game inside the octagon.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 09, 2021, 03:54:58 AM

Quote from: TheNineClub on September 09, 2021, 02:42:53 AM

I am surprised as he had a solid winning streak until his loss a couple of days ago, but I guess Glory doesn't have the financial capability as UFC does. That being said, I am sceptical of kickboxers transitioning to MMA big leagues that suddenly. Gokhan Saki had more or less the same MMA background when coming into the UFC and unfortunately had nothing to show.

There are different transitions for every fighter switching careers not all people could be as good as Anderson Silva from boxing to the UFC but we can never know until Alex Pereira would simply know what he is doing inside the ring and as a kickboxer, I think he has established his striking very well but he can surely add wrestling into the mix well it is up to a fighter if he would go that route or just stick in plain striking, let's just wait when he fights inside the ring.

Yes, I think he should add wrestling as one of his skill sets. Because we know he can kick pretty well but what if someone doesn't give him the space he needs. And that is surely going to happen when he faces someone who has really good grappling skills. A good grappler will always try to close the gap to score takedowns and try to go for ground and pound. If he has wrestling skills he will be able to defend himself in that situation far better. And if he does not consider learning wrestling, he better stay on his feet in the ring because if he goes down it will be trouble for him.

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Check out the roster for UFC 266. It’s that high up in name value but it is stacked!

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/78601-ufc-266

Worth the wait imho... and the payment for the PPV. Everybody be sure not to miss the matches from the prelims all the way to the top. I know some people who ignore the prelims. It’s really where value is found from a betting perspective.

Edit: I meant the event is not that high up in name value.

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Quote from: TheNineClub on September 09, 2021, 02:42:53 AM

I am surprised as he had a solid winning streak until his loss a couple of days ago, but I guess Glory doesn't have the financial capability as UFC does. That being said, I am sceptical of kickboxers transitioning to MMA big leagues that suddenly. Gokhan Saki had more or less the same MMA background when coming into the UFC and unfortunately had nothing to show.

There are different transitions for every fighter switching careers not all people could be as good as Anderson Silva from boxing to the UFC but we can never know until Alex Pereira would simply know what he is doing inside the ring and as a kickboxer, I think he has established his striking very well but he can surely add wrestling into the mix well it is up to a fighter if he would go that route or just stick in plain striking, let's just wait when he fights inside the ring.

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Quote from: notblox1 on September 08, 2021, 03:18:37 PM

Big news for UFC and middleweight category is that kickboxing champion Alex Pereira signed a deal with UFC!
He is 34 years old coming from Brazil and his first UFC fight will be in November against Andreas Michailidis in UFC 268 Usman vs Covington 2.
This fight card is going to be epic with more fights like Rose Namajunas vs Weili Zhang, Justin Gaethje vs Michael Chandler, Al Iaquinta vs Bobby Green and others.
I knew UFC was looking for fresh blood in middleweight division to challenge Adesanya, so they are looking in all directions now, but I am not sure if Pereira will be good enough.

I am surprised as he had a solid winning streak until his loss a couple of days ago, but I guess Glory doesn't have the financial capability as UFC does. That being said, I am sceptical of kickboxers transitioning to MMA big leagues that suddenly. Gokhan Saki had more or less the same MMA background when coming into the UFC and unfortunately had nothing to show.

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Quote from: DU18 on September 08, 2021, 08:30:58 AM

I think the effect will be the same, namely being able to destroy other people careers and maybe even being able to kill someone's life, even though ufc is a tough sport, but at least the fighters do use techniques that can paralyze opponents but do not have long lasting fatal effects.

Well, as an MMA fight I think you are expecting bad things may happen and you really need to be prepared in any situation, many fighters have always evaded stomping kicks like that because of their awareness, and it is always part of the fight, and if you are an MMA fighter you would understand the consequence and they surely know that anything may happen inside the ring, it can be prevented and it is really not that very common to have injuries like that.

Quote from: CryptoBuds on September 08, 2021, 11:43:21 AM

Its clear foot-stomping technique, though it is although not very popular to be honest but it's honestly nothing new. We have seen a lot of fighters use it. I still remember the Kamaru Usman vs Jorge Masvidal fight where Kamaru Usman did a lot of damage to Masvidal's feet by stomping on his fingers consistently. And about the fight of Khalil Rountree Jr vs Modestas Bukauskas, it is really hard to come back from a short on the face like that. In that situation, he has to always be careful about his nose because if he gets touched in the same spot again it's almost done for him. And I think Rountree took advantage of that. As Bukauskas was much more worried for his nose, Rountree went for his legs. And sidekicks are just fine in my opinion. All the other rules I think are also fine. Because as an MMA fighter you are expected to check those kicks.

Yup! Exactly and it is not really common for fighters to be injured by that kind of technique and I think this is the first time where a career-ending injury happen, I don't want to say that Modestas Bukauskas is a fragile fighter but being injured like that, and I really don't blame him and felt sorry on what happened.

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Big news for UFC and middleweight category is that kickboxing champion Alex Pereira signed a deal with UFC!
He is 34 years old coming from Brazil and his first UFC fight will be in November against Andreas Michailidis in UFC 268 Usman vs Covington 2.
This fight card is going to be epic with more fights like Rose Namajunas vs Weili Zhang, Justin Gaethje vs Michael Chandler, Al Iaquinta vs Bobby Green and others.
I knew UFC was looking for fresh blood in middleweight division to challenge Adesanya, so they are looking in all directions now, but I am not sure if Pereira will be good enough.

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Quote from: DU18 on September 08, 2021, 08:30:58 AM

Quote from: DU18 on September 08, 2021, 06:54:17 AM

indeed the fight at the UFC is a brutal fight and has many techniques to defeat opponents, UFC is a sport that triggers adrenaline for those who participate and see it, but as a sporting event of course there must be rules made by the UFC to ensure the safety of its athletes competing, such as technical The technique used by Rountree in that fight, although not lethal but clearly the technique can be very damaging if it hits the target, I think this technique is very feasible to be banned because it is very dangerous for the opponent like the technique that has been shown by Wanderlei Silva, namely the Soccer Kick (techniqu stepping on the opponent while on the floor).

Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 08, 2021, 07:47:25 AM

That Soccer kick needed to be banned because ultimately the opponent is on the floor and pretty much just like a knee and kick when the opponent is near the steel cage that may knock them because the cage can end up in a disqualification, all I am saying they can surely ban that sidekick on the knee or leg my point is there are a lot of moves in the MMA that is more life-threatening if they would Ban a move and this keeps repeating and over and over up to there would only just be punching and kicking, well this is just my opinion, they can protest to sure ban a move then they should just watch boxing instead, this is just my opinion.

I think the effect will be the same, namely being able to destroy other people careers and maybe even being able to kill someone's life, even though ufc is a tough sport, but at least the fighters do use techniques that can paralyze opponents but do not have long lasting fatal effects.

Quote from: TheNineClub on September 08, 2021, 06:56:22 AM

Not new at all, both JBJ and Anderson Silva have used them with great success. When JBJ started to cause damage that's when talks about should it be allowed and is it sportsmanlike were started, but not much has changed. It's not something that is used often but it really is a career killer.

yes also think like that, and of course the UFC doesn't have to wait for a victim of that dangerous technique first and only then they ban it and of course it's too late in my opinion, I think now the ufc has become a public spectacle, so they should implement the strict rules about whether a technique can be used or not.

Its clear foot-stomping technique, though it is although not very popular to be honest but it's honestly nothing new. We have seen a lot of fighters use it. I still remember the Kamaru Usman vs Jorge Masvidal fight where Kamaru Usman did a lot of damage to Masvidal's feet by stomping on his fingers consistently. And about the fight of Khalil Rountree Jr vs Modestas Bukauskas, it is really hard to come back from a short on the face like that. In that situation, he has to always be careful about his nose because if he gets touched in the same spot again it's almost done for him. And I think Rountree took advantage of that. As Bukauskas was much more worried for his nose, Rountree went for his legs. And sidekicks are just fine in my opinion. All the other rules I think are also fine. Because as an MMA fighter you are expected to check those kicks.

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Quote from: DU18 on September 08, 2021, 06:54:17 AM

indeed the fight at the UFC is a brutal fight and has many techniques to defeat opponents, UFC is a sport that triggers adrenaline for those who participate and see it, but as a sporting event of course there must be rules made by the UFC to ensure the safety of its athletes competing, such as technical The technique used by Rountree in that fight, although not lethal but clearly the technique can be very damaging if it hits the target, I think this technique is very feasible to be banned because it is very dangerous for the opponent like the technique that has been shown by Wanderlei Silva, namely the Soccer Kick (techniqu stepping on the opponent while on the floor).

Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 08, 2021, 07:47:25 AM

That Soccer kick needed to be banned because ultimately the opponent is on the floor and pretty much just like a knee and kick when the opponent is near the steel cage that may knock them because the cage can end up in a disqualification, all I am saying they can surely ban that sidekick on the knee or leg my point is there are a lot of moves in the MMA that is more life-threatening if they would Ban a move and this keeps repeating and over and over up to there would only just be punching and kicking, well this is just my opinion, they can protest to sure ban a move then they should just watch boxing instead, this is just my opinion.

I think the effect will be the same, namely being able to destroy other people careers and maybe even being able to kill someone's life, even though ufc is a tough sport, but at least the fighters do use techniques that can paralyze opponents but do not have long lasting fatal effects.

Quote from: TheNineClub on September 08, 2021, 06:56:22 AM

Not new at all, both JBJ and Anderson Silva have used them with great success. When JBJ started to cause damage that's when talks about should it be allowed and is it sportsmanlike were started, but not much has changed. It's not something that is used often but it really is a career killer.

yes also think like that, and of course the UFC doesn't have to wait for a victim of that dangerous technique first and only then they ban it and of course it's too late in my opinion, I think now the ufc has become a public spectacle, so they should implement the strict rules about whether a technique can be used or not.

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Quote from: DU18 on September 08, 2021, 06:54:17 AM

indeed the fight at the UFC is a brutal fight and has many techniques to defeat opponents, UFC is a sport that triggers adrenaline for those who participate and see it, but as a sporting event of course there must be rules made by the UFC to ensure the safety of its athletes competing, such as technical The technique used by Rountree in that fight, although not lethal but clearly the technique can be very damaging if it hits the target, I think this technique is very feasible to be banned because it is very dangerous for the opponent like the technique that has been shown by Wanderlei Silva, namely the Soccer Kick (techniqu stepping on the opponent while on the floor).

That Soccer kick needed to be banned because ultimately the opponent is on the floor and pretty much just like a knee and kick when the opponent is near the steel cage that may knock them because the cage can end up in a disqualification, all I am saying they can surely ban that sidekick on the knee or leg my point is there are a lot of moves in the MMA that is more life-threatening if they would Ban a move and this keeps repeating and over and over up to there would only just be punching and kicking, well this is just my opinion, they can protest to sure ban a move then they should just watch boxing instead, this is just my opinion.

Quote from: TheNineClub on September 08, 2021, 06:56:22 AM

Not new at all, both JBJ and Anderson Silva have used them with great success. When JBJ started to cause damage that's when talks about should it be allowed and is it sportsmanlike were started, but not much has changed. It's not something that is used often but it really is a career killer.

Career killer or not there is a lot of disputes and I am just adding my opinion, if they would gladly ban this move and I am not against it then ban all moves that are pretty much life-threatening to a fighter but I surely approve of banning soccer kicks and I will not dispute over in banning this move as well, but I am just sharing my thought.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 08, 2021, 04:28:32 AM

Quote from: DU18 on September 07, 2021, 08:25:58 AM

The UFC Vegas 36 fight that took place Sunday between Khalil Rountree Jr vs Modestas Bukauskas, was really quite exciting and also terrible in my opinion, at the beginning of the fight the two fighters both responded to each other attacks, however, a hard blow from Rountree was able to destroy Bukaukas nose in first round, I thought the second round would be a revenge round for Bukaukas but unfortunately the fight ended quite horribly in the second round due to the foot stomping technique from Rountree, to be honest I was very surprised by the technique that was quite terrible and it was clear that Bukaukas leg was injured quite badly.

That Sidekick to the knee is really not new, there are other fighters that are executing such kicks you surely haven't notice it because now there is a bad injury and for Modestas Bukauskas, a lot are saying that this is a career-ending injury but in my opinion, it is a bad injury but there is still a percentage of returning back, many are doing this example is with the Robert Whittaker VS Israel Adesanya fight when Whittaker throw it but Adesanya evade it then counter with a high kick, notice how fast Adesanya execute that high kick that is because when this sidekick failed to be executed there is a lot of opportunities for the opponent to counter,

So my take on this kind of technique that many people want to ban, I really don't agree to ban this kick, I think if you ban this kick then ban a strike or attack that will cause brain damage that can be life-threatening for a fighter an injury to the shoulder, back, neck or strike to the vitals punches and kicks to the neck should also be ban in the UFC that can cause serious damage and can even potentially end a life, well just my opinion.

Not new at all, both JBJ and Anderson Silva have used them with great success. When JBJ started to cause damage that's when talks about should it be allowed and is it sportsmanlike were started, but not much has changed. It's not something that is used often but it really is a career killer.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on September 08, 2021, 04:28:32 AM

Quote from: DU18 on September 07, 2021, 08:25:58 AM

The UFC Vegas 36 fight that took place Sunday between Khalil Rountree Jr vs Modestas Bukauskas, was really quite exciting and also terrible in my opinion, at the beginning of the fight the two fighters both responded to each other attacks, however, a hard blow from Rountree was able to destroy Bukaukas nose in first round, I thought the second round would be a revenge round for Bukaukas but unfortunately the fight ended quite horribly in the second round due to the foot stomping technique from Rountree, to be honest I was very surprised by the technique that was quite terrible and it was clear that Bukaukas leg was injured quite badly.

That Sidekick to the knee is really not new, there are other fighters that are executing such kicks you surely haven't notice it because now there is a bad injury and for Modestas Bukauskas, a lot are saying that this is a career-ending injury but in my opinion, it is a bad injury but there is still a percentage of returning back, many are doing this example is with the Robert Whittaker VS Israel Adesanya fight when Whittaker throw it but Adesanya evade it then counter with a high kick, notice how fast Adesanya execute that high kick that is because when this sidekick failed to be executed there is a lot of opportunities for the opponent to counter,

So my take on this kind of technique that many people want to ban, I really don't agree to ban this kick, I think if you ban this kick then ban a strike or attack that will cause brain damage that can be life-threatening for a fighter an injury to the shoulder, back, neck or strike to the vitals punches and kicks to the neck should also be ban in the UFC that can cause serious damage and can even potentially end a life, well just my opinion.

indeed the fight at the UFC is a brutal fight and has many techniques to defeat opponents, UFC is a sport that triggers adrenaline for those who participate and see it, but as a sporting event of course there must be rules made by the UFC to ensure the safety of its athletes competing, such as technical The technique used by Rountree in that fight, although not lethal but clearly the technique can be very damaging if it hits the target, I think this technique is very feasible to be banned because it is very dangerous for the opponent like the technique that has been shown by Wanderlei Silva, namely the Soccer Kick (techniqu stepping on the opponent while on the floor).

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Quote from: DU18 on September 07, 2021, 08:25:58 AM

The UFC Vegas 36 fight that took place Sunday between Khalil Rountree Jr vs Modestas Bukauskas, was really quite exciting and also terrible in my opinion, at the beginning of the fight the two fighters both responded to each other attacks, however, a hard blow from Rountree was able to destroy Bukaukas nose in first round, I thought the second round would be a revenge round for Bukaukas but unfortunately the fight ended quite horribly in the second round due to the foot stomping technique from Rountree, to be honest I was very surprised by the technique that was quite terrible and it was clear that Bukaukas leg was injured quite badly.

That Sidekick to the knee is really not new, there are other fighters that are executing such kicks you surely haven't notice it because now there is a bad injury and for Modestas Bukauskas, a lot are saying that this is a career-ending injury but in my opinion, it is a bad injury but there is still a percentage of returning back, many are doing this example is with the Robert Whittaker VS Israel Adesanya fight when Whittaker throw it but Adesanya evade it then counter with a high kick, notice how fast Adesanya execute that high kick that is because when this sidekick failed to be executed there is a lot of opportunities for the opponent to counter,

So my take on this kind of technique that many people want to ban, I really don't agree to ban this kick, I think if you ban this kick then ban a strike or attack that will cause brain damage that can be life-threatening for a fighter an injury to the shoulder, back, neck or strike to the vitals punches and kicks to the neck should also be ban in the UFC that can cause serious damage and can even potentially end a life, well just my opinion.

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 07, 2021, 07:18:32 AM

I’m always looking forward in getting a chance to hit that 10k grand prize for free in FJ’s Majestic 7 promo.

Sorry, I reserved Majestic 7 winning spot this time

Last time I won five correct goal scorers but that was not majestic enough for me.

Quote from: tokeweed on September 07, 2021, 07:18:32 AM

But I guess he should go against either Cannonier or prolly Paulo Costa first... Two intruiging matches.

Both of them are lower level compared to Adesanya and I don't see anyone who can threaten champ from this guys, maybe we are going to see some new blood in middleweight soon.

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