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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 06, 2024, 03:32:41 AM

Pay attention to Jim Miller vs Bobby Green fight on UFC 300. If Miller wins (and I think he would submit Green) once again he will set a record of most fight, wins, most fight in division in UFC history. Quite a unique fighter. He is old (40 already) but still manages to win, he is not in top15 (but if he wins Green, he would get there). It might look that UFC build his record of win on purpose (because last his opponents were rather unknown) to get him in hall-of-fame and point on him like "guy who won 40+ fights in ufc).

According to statleaders.ufc.com, he's already holding records for the most fights (43) and most wins (26). So, win or lose, he will just add to his record of the total fights.
The second place in both of those stats is held by Andrei Arlovski, with 41 total fights and 23 wins. Arlovski is pretty close but he's 5 years older than Miller, so I don't think he's a threat to his record.
But all the above relate to UFC fights only and any fights in other organisations are not considered, so there probably are quite a lot fighters with even better overall records.
If all fights are considered, Miller's record would be 55 fights and 37 wins per to his Wikipedia page.

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Pay attention to Jim Miller vs Bobby Green fight on UFC 300. If Miller wins (and I think he would submit Green) once again he will set a record of most fight, wins, most fight in division in UFC history. Quite a unique fighter. He is old (40 already) but still manages to win, he is not in top15 (but if he wins Green, he would get there). It might look that UFC build his record of win on purpose (because last his opponents were rather unknown) to get him in hall-of-fame and point on him like "guy who won 40+ fights in ufc).

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 04, 2024, 06:17:46 AM

What else should he rely on if he is a wrestler and has only 5 pro mma fights ? Cheesy

He sure needs to improve his striking. Because so far he has been lucky fighting trash. Otherwise I dont know how to explain how he managed to connect his strikes, or why most of his opponents go completely straight on a wrestler. This is like a BDay present for a wrestler, as this easily counters with two leg takedown, and if you are not an elite grappler or jitser, its a 99% chance of getting TKOed.

Well, I am not saying that he should not depend on his wrestling. Cuz he is going to depend on his wrestling because that is the strongest part of him. But what I'm trying to say is that when he is going to face someone who has a good defense against wrestling and also a good striker, he is going to be in a big trouble. Because he has to go for takedowns to get his opponent on the ground and if he does face someone who has good takedown defense, almost half of his skills are going to be taken away from him. I absolutely agree that so far he has been lucky fighting trash as you said. If he does meet his match, it is going to be very hard for him.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 04, 2024, 07:25:07 AM

^ Yup. Lol. But Bo Nickal did KO two of his opponents in the first round tho. Which means he has powerrr in those hands and starch guys in the UFC. And he also volunteered to fight Chimaev on short notice which I think there's def a chance of him winning it. But the UFC didn't allow it and opted to let Usman fight Chim instead.

Here's the official live weigh in stream.

UFC Fight Night: Allen vs Curtis Official Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1LEzuzByc

UFC wont allow strikers to spoil perfect Nickal record Cheesy

I cant remember his age, but he seems or looks young. Throwing him against, lets say Cannonier and let him leg kick Nickal few times. As to power in hands, that power is there because he relies much on his level of wrestling and knows how low this level opponents have Cheesy

He can have a good swing, aim and shot, not worrying about being taken down. If not mistaken, he had quite a reach advantage against short and muscled Woodburn. Some of the commentators said that he is still "raw" for MMA. I would agree to that. Nicely said. Btw, he has no amateur or before UFC MMA experience. Not good, not good Cheesy

They are going to get him a little more seasoned before giving him some very tough opponents. And UFC is not going to destroy that early on in my opinion at least. But if he does not improve his striking game a little, he is going to meet his match and not be able to win fight with his wrestling only. Even the elite level wrestlers need to have some striking in their arsenal. Because at the end of the day, you might need to punch your opponent hard enough to knock him out.

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^ But it's a main event and a 5 rounder. So I'd rather see that than being a three round undercard. And it's gonna be a lot better for Whittaker if it's 5 rounds. Grin

I'm rooting for him. Hope he wins and he gets his title shot and rematch vs DDP. It could be his last. I'd be really surprised if he tries to go at it again if he loses vs Chim.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 04, 2024, 07:45:20 AM

^ I don't think it's totally about not spoiling about his UFC run. It's also about developing a fighter and taking care of him as he's one of the guys who have great potential to be a hall of famer type of guy and could be a great title holder. And he's pretty good in interviews and press conferences too. So he def has the whole package.

The other good thing about him is he doesn't need to create some bs persona like McGregor did to attract the crowd. He could just be himself and the crowd will still like him.

Agree. Dana knows Bo has a massive potential so won't be throwing him against any really challenging opponent at this stage. When he called out Chimaev, he knew there was a zero chance of that happening. No match-maker with half a brain would set up two prospective fighters against eachother. But calling him out was a great marketing move.
As for Nickal's striking skills, he might not be there yet, but it's way easier for a wrestler to learn how to strike than the other way around.
Personality wise, I didn't like him at first, as it's a natural reaction to dislike fighters getting special treatment from the UFC, but he won me over with his natural confidence, hard work attitude and priorities in the right order.

And he's a humble guy. It's hard not to like him. Lol.

It's funny how the UFC has released all the promotional vids in YT days before the next event has even started. Lolol. Just shows how much of a filler it is. Cheesy

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UFC 300: Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFLW7ZTP9zw

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A bit surprised, that Chimaevs next fight will be just a fight night event, but not a number event. Maybe I have a wrong understanding, but I always thought that number events are for fight of big names, and fight nights and ESPN are for sort of a regular fights, for building record, debuts and etc. But Chimaev will be fighting against Whittaker in UAE in June 22. It is known that there will be some other big names, but not every fight will a banger.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 04, 2024, 07:45:20 AM

^ I don't think it's totally about not spoiling about his UFC run. It's also about developing a fighter and taking care of him as he's one of the guys who have great potential to be a hall of famer type of guy and could be a great title holder. And he's pretty good in interviews and press conferences too. So he def has the whole package.

The other good thing about him is he doesn't need to create some bs persona like McGregor did to attract the crowd. He could just be himself and the crowd will still like him.

Agree. Dana knows Bo has a massive potential so won't be throwing him against any really challenging opponent at this stage. When he called out Chimaev, he knew there was a zero chance of that happening. No match-maker with half a brain would set up two prospective fighters against eachother. But calling him out was a great marketing move.
As for Nickal's striking skills, he might not be there yet, but it's way easier for a wrestler to learn how to strike than the other way around.
Personality wise, I didn't like him at first, as it's a natural reaction to dislike fighters getting special treatment from the UFC, but he won me over with his natural confidence, hard work attitude and priorities in the right order.

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^ I don't think it's totally about not spoiling about his UFC run. It's also about developing a fighter and taking care of him as he's one of the guys who have great potential to be a hall of famer type of guy and could be a great title holder. And he's pretty good in interviews and press conferences too. So he def has the whole package.

The other good thing about him is he doesn't need to create some bs persona like McGregor did to attract the crowd. He could just be himself and the crowd will still like him.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 04, 2024, 07:25:07 AM

^ Yup. Lol. But Bo Nickal did KO two of his opponents in the first round tho. Which means he has powerrr in those hands and starch guys in the UFC. And he also volunteered to fight Chimaev on short notice which I think there's def a chance of him winning it. But the UFC didn't allow it and opted to let Usman fight Chim instead.

Here's the official live weigh in stream.

UFC Fight Night: Allen vs Curtis Official Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1LEzuzByc

UFC wont allow strikers to spoil perfect Nickal record Cheesy

I cant remember his age, but he seems or looks young. Throwing him against, lets say Cannonier and let him leg kick Nickal few times. As to power in hands, that power is there because he relies much on his level of wrestling and knows how low this level opponents have Cheesy

He can have a good swing, aim and shot, not worrying about being taken down. If not mistaken, he had quite a reach advantage against short and muscled Woodburn. Some of the commentators said that he is still "raw" for MMA. I would agree to that. Nicely said. Btw, he has no amateur or before UFC MMA experience. Not good, not good Cheesy

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^ Yup. Lol. But Bo Nickal did KO two of his opponents in the first round tho. Which means he has powerrr in those hands and starch guys in the UFC. And he also volunteered to fight Chimaev on short notice which I think there's def a chance of him winning it. But the UFC didn't allow it and opted to let Usman fight Chim instead.

Here's the official live weigh in stream.

UFC Fight Night: Allen vs Curtis Official Weigh Ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1LEzuzByc

And as I was browsing over UFC 301 at Tapology, Aldo is gonna fight in the event? And vs Jonathan Martinez? :/

https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/bouts/855230-ufc-301-jonathan-dragon-martinez-vs-jose-aldo-junior

Not sure what to think of it tbh. Who you guys got?

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on April 03, 2024, 02:16:18 PM

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What do you guys think about Bo Nickal? He's rarely discussed in this thread. Obviously he's getting fast tracked to be a nef UFC superstar and have an impressive 5-0-0 record with all being first round finishes: 2 KOs and 3 submissions - all scored on "no-names", and his next opponent is also not really well-known either (which begs a question on why is it a main card fight of the UFC 300, when much more established fighters are on prelims or early-prelims). But I like how hardworking and dedicated he is. If the hype is real, he might be an American response to all the successful Dagestani/Chechen fighters. I wouldn't mind seeing him matched up against Khamzat.

I have pointed out on Bo Nickal several times, but people seemed to pay low attention. He is an elite wrestler, but a really bad striker. I would say awful striker Cheesy

5 fights, and he managed to slip two times during high kicks lol Cheesy

For me he seems like a new UFC gem and match makers gonna lay a red carpet for him on a way to top. Like they did with Alex Pereira who got only strikers as opponents. Similar Nickal will get wrestlers or no-names. Right now he can match Khamzat in wrestling match and beat him (honestly, what are Khamzat best wrestling achievement? Champ of Sweden? And Dagestany DNA?). I have also noticed, that he is doing to much accented strikes. He wants to knock out opponent with every strike. With that, he is spending to much stamina. No feints, no fake strikes, no testing jabs. He is very unexperienced in striking imho.

In my opinion he actually depends a little too much on his wrestling.
If someone can defend him properly, and keeping in mind that the 'someone' is really good at defending, he will face some certain problems.
And I believe he really needs to have some boxing in his arsenal.
At this day and age I don't think anyone is actually a complete fighter. I also do not think anyone can be.

But it is a good idea to have some certain ability and some certain knowledge under your belt when you are going into the cage. His next fight against Cody Brundage is probably not going to be a big problem for him. Because I do not see Cody having the skills to defend his opponent.

What else should he rely on if he is a wrestler and has only 5 pro mma fights ? Cheesy

He sure needs to improve his striking. Because so far he has been lucky fighting trash. Otherwise I dont know how to explain how he managed to connect his strikes, or why most of his opponents go completely straight on a wrestler. This is like a BDay present for a wrestler, as this easily counters with two leg takedown, and if you are not an elite grappler or jitser, its a 99% chance of getting TKOed.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on April 02, 2024, 08:44:35 AM

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However, it seems very unfortunate because there is news that the second fight between Justin Gaethje vs Max Holloway has been cancelled, Gaethje as the BMF champion has bet his belt on Holloway as the featherweight champion challenger.
I don't know whether it was actually canceled or is still continuing but this is quite an interesting fight in my opinion because what is certain is that Gaethje will destroy Holloway.
I hope someone can provide information about this fight, I really want to see it on April 13th.

I think the fight is still on as there's no news about it being cancelled. When you google "UFC 300" there's an event info page showing the fight as both on and cancelled (it has been like that for quite a long time" which is confusing.
Max is phenomenal striker,.while Justin is a brawler. I don't think either of them will be looking to take it to the ground, so we should expect an intensive strking match,.likely ending in KO.
Holloway has already fought in 155 against Poirier, despite losing, he gave a really good fight, so I don't think it'll be an easy one for Justin.

It good that it still going on because it really interesting fight and of course the winner gets the title of most brutal fighter and I want to see Gaethje defend his belt and knock out Holloway.
But indeed I saw it was canceled because the schedule listed on Google showed a cancellation, but I couldn't find further information regarding the cancellation.
If I predict this fight then I will also conclude that the finish could be by knockout and of course Gaethje is the favorite, plus there are several parties who have expressed concerns that Holloway will definitely be destroyed if the fight continues.
We see what happens, whether Holloway can fight well and make it difficult for Gaethje or not, but I still choose Gaethje as the favorite.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 03, 2024, 03:51:56 AM

Quote from: pawel7777 on April 02, 2024, 03:16:53 PM

What do you guys think about Bo Nickal? He's rarely discussed in this thread. Obviously he's getting fast tracked to be a nef UFC superstar and have an impressive 5-0-0 record with all being first round finishes: 2 KOs and 3 submissions - all scored on "no-names", and his next opponent is also not really well-known either (which begs a question on why is it a main card fight of the UFC 300, when much more established fighters are on prelims or early-prelims). But I like how hardworking and dedicated he is. If the hype is real, he might be an American response to all the successful Dagestani/Chechen fighters. I wouldn't mind seeing him matched up against Khamzat.

I have pointed out on Bo Nickal several times, but people seemed to pay low attention. He is an elite wrestler, but a really bad striker. I would say awful striker Cheesy

5 fights, and he managed to slip two times during high kicks lol Cheesy

For me he seems like a new UFC gem and match makers gonna lay a red carpet for him on a way to top. Like they did with Alex Pereira who got only strikers as opponents. Similar Nickal will get wrestlers or no-names. Right now he can match Khamzat in wrestling match and beat him (honestly, what are Khamzat best wrestling achievement? Champ of Sweden? And Dagestany DNA?). I have also noticed, that he is doing to much accented strikes. He wants to knock out opponent with every strike. With that, he is spending to much stamina. No feints, no fake strikes, no testing jabs. He is very unexperienced in striking imho.

In my opinion he actually depends a little too much on his wrestling.
If someone can defend him properly, and keeping in mind that the 'someone' is really good at defending, he will face some certain problems.
And I believe he really needs to have some boxing in his arsenal.
At this day and age I don't think anyone is actually a complete fighter. I also do not think anyone can be.

But it is a good idea to have some certain ability and some certain knowledge under your belt when you are going into the cage. His next fight against Cody Brundage is probably not going to be a big problem for him. Because I do not see Cody having the skills to defend his opponent.

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UFC Fight Night: Allen vs. Curtis 2

Date: April 6, 2024
Preliminary Card : SAT, APR 6 / 10:00 PM GMT+3
Main Card: SUN, APR 7 / 1:00 AM GMT+3

Venue:    UFC Apex

Main card (ESPN)
Middleweight: Brendan Allen vs. Chris Curtis
Featherweight: Alexander Hernandez vs. Damon Jackson
Featherweight: Morgan Charrière vs. Jose Mariscal
Lightweight: Ignacio Bahamondes vs. Christos Giagos
Heavyweight: Valter Walker vs. Łucasz Brzeski
Lightweight: Trevor Peek vs. Charlie Campbell

Preliminary card (ESPN)
Welterweight: Court McGee vs. Alex Morono
Women's Bantamweight: Norma Dumont vs. Germaine de Randamie
Bantamweight: Alateng Heili vs. Victor Hugo
Women's Strawweight: Piera Rodríguez vs. Cynthia Calvillo
Bantamweight: Dan Argueta vs. Jean Matsumoto
Middleweight: Dylan Budka vs. César Almeida
Women's Bantamweight: Nora Cornolle vs. Melissa Mullins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Fight_Night:_Allen_vs._Curtis_2

The main event that no one really wanted... It was supposed to be Brendan Allen vs Marvin Vettori for Allen's chance to move up and join the elites at 185. But getting a chance to get back that L he got from Curtis would be good too I guess. Most of the other match ups are just ok I guess but nothing really to get excited about. I'd say the winner of Allen vs Vettori would've been a preparation for Bo Nickal's next match up if he wins at UFC 300. Maybe Allen vs Curtis still is. :/

Here's a couple of replays to watch.

UFC Free Fight: Allen vs Craig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JteiRAfbhsw

UFC Free Fight: Curtis vs Buckley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3cnsTymSw

Here's the Multi Master...

UFC Fight Night 240: Multi Master Challenge
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sportsbetio-ufc-fight-night-240-multi-master-challenge-6-april-5491086

Enjoy...

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Quote from: pawel7777 on April 02, 2024, 03:16:53 PM

What do you guys think about Bo Nickal? He's rarely discussed in this thread. Obviously he's getting fast tracked to be a nef UFC superstar and have an impressive 5-0-0 record with all being first round finishes: 2 KOs and 3 submissions - all scored on "no-names", and his next opponent is also not really well-known either (which begs a question on why is it a main card fight of the UFC 300, when much more established fighters are on prelims or early-prelims). But I like how hardworking and dedicated he is. If the hype is real, he might be an American response to all the successful Dagestani/Chechen fighters. I wouldn't mind seeing him matched up against Khamzat.

I have pointed out on Bo Nickal several times, but people seemed to pay low attention. He is an elite wrestler, but a really bad striker. I would say awful striker Cheesy

5 fights, and he managed to slip two times during high kicks lol Cheesy

For me he seems like a new UFC gem and match makers gonna lay a red carpet for him on a way to top. Like they did with Alex Pereira who got only strikers as opponents. Similar Nickal will get wrestlers or no-names. Right now he can match Khamzat in wrestling match and beat him (honestly, what are Khamzat best wrestling achievement? Champ of Sweden? And Dagestany DNA?). I have also noticed, that he is doing to much accented strikes. He wants to knock out opponent with every strike. With that, he is spending to much stamina. No feints, no fake strikes, no testing jabs. He is very unexperienced in striking imho.

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What do you guys think about Bo Nickal? He's rarely discussed in this thread. Obviously he's getting fast tracked to be a nef UFC superstar and have an impressive 5-0-0 record with all being first round finishes: 2 KOs and 3 submissions - all scored on "no-names", and his next opponent is also not really well-known either (which begs a question on why is it a main card fight of the UFC 300, when much more established fighters are on prelims or early-prelims). But I like how hardworking and dedicated he is. If the hype is real, he might be an American response to all the successful Dagestani/Chechen fighters. I wouldn't mind seeing him matched up against Khamzat.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 02, 2024, 03:06:29 AM

You know, the event that was before Allen vs Curtis 2 also looked weak on the paper, but I think that even is close to setting a record of early finishes in one event Cheesy

Back to next event, I always thought that Chris Curtis is in top10 and he is a light heavyweight Cheesy

Turns to be top14 of middleweight. Went to wikipedia and found some interesting facts. He has fought recently, in the end of January 2024, and this week he is replacing Vettori. Curtis had only 1 month to prepare for Allen. Fun fact - Chris Curtis has retired 3 times already from mma, yet he is only 36 Cheesy

If Curtis wins again I would really believe the guy is out to kick Allen even when he is older than 36. It's uncommon for someone to get a rematch when Allen was KO'd.

Allen was actually great in the first meeting and then Chris KO'd him. So if Chris accepts a call from Dana to take the replacement, he must see this as a good opportunity. Chris winning this fight again will rank him up on 8th since Gastelum isn't around anymore in MW. He only needs to counter Allen as he is good at that.

But I couldn't disregard the fact that Allen had improved a lot since.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on April 02, 2024, 08:19:22 AM

However, it seems very unfortunate because there is news that the second fight between Justin Gaethje vs Max Holloway has been cancelled, Gaethje as the BMF champion has bet his belt on Holloway as the featherweight champion challenger.
I don't know whether it was actually canceled or is still continuing but this is quite an interesting fight in my opinion because what is certain is that Gaethje will destroy Holloway.
I hope someone can provide information about this fight, I really want to see it on April 13th.

I think the fight is still on as there's no news about it being cancelled. When you google "UFC 300" there's an event info page showing the fight as both on and cancelled (it has been like that for quite a long time" which is confusing.
Max is phenomenal striker,.while Justin is a brawler. I don't think either of them will be looking to take it to the ground, so we should expect an intensive strking match,.likely ending in KO.
Holloway has already fought in 155 against Poirier, despite losing, he gave a really good fight, so I don't think it'll be an easy one for Justin.

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It on the UFC 300 main card and I interested in the three main fights.
- Alex Pereira vs Bukit Jamahal
- Justin Gaethje vs Max Holloway
- Charles Oliveira vs Arman Tsarukyan
However, it seems very unfortunate because there is news that the second fight between Justin Gaethje vs Max Holloway has been cancelled, Gaethje as the BMF champion has bet his belt on Holloway as the featherweight champion challenger.
I don't know whether it was actually canceled or is still continuing but this is quite an interesting fight in my opinion because what is certain is that Gaethje will destroy Holloway.
I hope someone can provide information about this fight, I really want to see it on April 13th.

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You know, the event that was before Allen vs Curtis 2 also looked weak on the paper, but I think that even is close to setting a record of early finishes in one event Cheesy

Back to next event, I always thought that Chris Curtis is in top10 and he is a light heavyweight Cheesy

Turns to be top14 of middleweight. Went to wikipedia and found some interesting facts. He has fought recently, in the end of January 2024, and this week he is replacing Vettori. Curtis had only 1 month to prepare for Allen. Fun fact - Chris Curtis has retired 3 times already from mma, yet he is only 36 Cheesy

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Chris Curtis is set to lose. Allen looks well improved since their first while Curtis is almost in retiring age.
There are a few old names on the card, they used to be remarkable when they fought some names in the past. I would hope to see Allen, Damon Jackson, and Alex Morono win their fight. Piera Rodriguez will likely win too.

These are the fighters matched up to someone who is also on a losing streak. Anyway, card like this is better than having no event while waiting for the 300 next weekend.

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