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Jon Jones is a natural talent and a likely great fight IQ, there is no doubt and I now agree after he defeats Ciryl Gane whom I was hyped about it comes to me that Jon Jones is a really special fighter and right now what I want is for Jon Jones to fight Tom Aspinall, for me that will be an epic fight for sure, as it will be a fight between a Heavy Weight and the Interim Heavy Weight Champion that will be an epic fight for sure,


I also think that it is not fair for Bobby Green to have this kind of odds, and for me, Bobby Green should be the favorite to win and this is also a short-notice fight, I think the fans will eventually flip the odds, and bet for Bobby Green because if not then for me I am OK with this kind of odds as it is more profitable when Bobby Green wins this fight,


Well, Dana White right now doesn't really want any cross-promotions with other fighting organizations for sure Chuck Liddell fighting with Pride was just a 1-time gimmick for the UFC is experimenting with something if the fans would like something like that, and at the time I think the UFC have bought Pride from the Japanese and made it PrideFC and little did Dana White know that the people behind Pride made a new fighting promotion and they called it Dream and it looks like the UFC have bought air because as Dana White have said the people behind Pride is working under the UFC now,

And who beat Dariush ? Not the top of lightweight division either Actually I have same questions to Arman and Dariush - why are you so high in ranking, when you beat unranked guys ? But, I know why odds on Arman are so low and Dariush is a huge underdog. Age and the fact that Arman lost to Makhachev via UD That automatically crosses out wrestling and bjj from Dariush skills, and Armans striking is much better Its A+ for me in this math test.

I am more interested to watch Rob Fons vs Figueiredo fight. First seems to retire any second, second only fought lego lover over last 3 years (that bad, as it limits you as a fighter, as a technician)

I never really looked into this weekend's main event and at first glance I thought it's going to be all Armand Tsarukyan.  But looking at Tsarukyan's record after getting beat by Gamrot...  He beat a deflated Ismagulov and Joaquim Silva?  Mmm...  Dariush would smoke those guys and the last time he got beat was vs Charles Oliveira.  I know it's useless playing MMA math but Oliveira beats Tsarukyan any day of the week.

Here's a replay of Dariush.

UFC Free Fight:  Dariush vs Ferreira
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfgwaH6BxU0

I think Dana will never do cross promotion fights. UFC has been in business for tens years, and Dana only allowed Chuck Liddell to fight in Pride once (other promotion), Conor McGregor to have a boxing fight against Mayweather (boxer), James Toney (boxer) to fight against Randy Couture under mma rules and wrestler (the one that is a fake theatre) CM Punk fought 2 times unsuccessfully in UFC. That is it. Only 5 unusual behaviour or allowance from Dana during whole UFC life.

That why several fighters have declared their retirement from the UFC because they moved elsewhere and also tried new things that could earn them more money.
Like Ngannou, who has an agreement with the PFL and he stated that the PFL is much better able to give him what he wants, including larger amount of money than what the UFC gives.

Well, this is good idea when there is crossover between PFL vs UFC and by implementing an idea like this it can be possible for the UFC to get more support and financial benefits which of course can support each fighter contract in more appropriate or bigger way.
Moreover, the development of UFC and PFL is also due to the same person, namely Loren Mack, he is a figure who has been very instrumental in the development of these two free combat sports competition venues.
I sure that if there is an agreement between the two, it will be easier and can be agreed without much drama.
But it looks like it will be little difficult for White from the UFC.

pawel7777, I was more thinking about situation with Figuiredo vs Moreno, Conor Poirier, possible Conor vs Diaz 3, and other fighting series. Imho a real fan would watch any fight where his favourite fighter fights. And the situation with Volk for example and others go to other division for a fight. Each division has perhaps 100+ fighters, but no, fighters prefer to go to other division for more challenge, or because they have beaten everyone in their division (sometimes for 2 times).

Maybe they search for big names in other division. But in past, every division has enough big names. Nobody jumped here and there for a better fight.

It's a show business after all, if another re-match is something that the fans prefer to see over any other match-up, then a re-match it will be. Personally, I don't see it as much of a problem and I don't recall a situation when it would bother me really. We usually see it when the previous fights were close and exciting or when the number 1 contender is dominant over others and deserves another title shot.
This generates more money to the UFC, a money that could potentially solved this issue:

This was a real problem in the past and I'm not sure on how much has the situation improved. But we shouldn't have a situation where fighters from the top 15 of the biggest MMA organisation in the world are struggling to pay their basic bills.

i think in the past there were complains about how low the pay White gives. they are just not very vocal anymore.

they need the cross with others say PFL vs UFC in order for this sport to have something new like unification. BMF title fight has to be cross-promotion so that the baddest in Bellator or PFL can be mandated to fight the BMF in UFC.

Guys, I want to discuss or here your thought on how UFC has changed over last 5 years probably. Here are the things that have changed or I dont like:

1) In the past, all divisions have enough fighters or challengers. Now what we have, fighters fight against each other for 3-4 times
2) Or are so dominant in their division, that they move to other
3) A lot of fighters wish to move or try boxing. Mostly because of high payment there and low payment in UFC.
4) Fighters complain about who they fight. They choose who they fight. Previously, if UFC says fighter gonna fight Godzilla, he will fight if Godzilla makes the weight.

5-10 years ago I would even imagine that for example Chuck Liddell would challenge Brock Lesnar and complain that he earns low.

I mean I think Jalin Turner should be the favorite but being on short notice I don't think he should be lined at 1.43.  And after the way we saw him lose vs Hooker?  No thank you.  He'll be at the bottom of my lottery ticket.  Lol.

As a single bet it's better to pass imho.  But gun on my head, I'd rather take Bobby Green at 2.95.  At least we know he'll come on there and bring it.  Turner on the other hand could have cardio issues.

There is a retirement of a legend for sure this is to seal the deal with Stipe Miocic as Miocic once went back-to-back against Francis Ngannou and Daniel Cormier, and Jon Jones is now a Heavyweight, and for me, this is a good send-off for Stipe Miocic and for sure this is a farewell and a parting gift of Jon Jones to him  for sure a big money awaits Stipe Miocic because he accepts this fight for me I am now OK with Stipe Miocic fighting Jon Jones even though
 am sure that Stipe Miocic will likely lose that fight, that is what may happen to him for sure, but as I have said a good send of for Stipe Miocic plus receiving money after the fight,


For sure many thought that Bobby Green would be the favorite and I am sure that he is not the underdog in this fight if you don't look at their age that is because Bobby Green is not fighting like a 37-year-old when you see him, and for sure he is still slick in my opinion in his age he looks decent for sure so giving him the underdog treatment is surely ludicrous,


For sure Jon Jones is a talented monster sure it was like every IQ in the world he has gotten it, but after seeing Tom Aspinall doing that to Sergei Pavlovich I am sure that he can take on Jon Jones and I am likely excited for that fight to happen but for sure Stipe Miocic will likely to be the focus for Jon Jones right now for sure no Miocic fight then there will be no other fights aside from that,

I would say that Jones is a rare natural talent in the UFC. Has good striking, great wrestling, agile footwork and the most highlight is an extraordinary fighting IQ. It was too crazy a talent. Like a cheat. I think God gave Jones the lack of discipline and willpower to balance out such talent. Sorry if I'm offended but just imagine, if a monster with that kind of talent had all the qualities of a fighter like Khabib, then I think LHW should be changed to Jon Jones Division Weight LOL.

Oh! sorry, I thought that the Dan Hooker vs. Bobby Green fight was canceled but Jalin Turner accepts the challenge against Bobby Green which was still the Co-Main Event, I have looked at the Topology, and Rob Font and Deiveson Figueiredo was on the 2nd line for this event, but yeah Bobby Green still wants to fight for sure and I never realized that the UFC will just change Dan Hooker with Jalin Turner but I think that was good enough,

I really don't know why Jalin Turner that has lost to Dan Hooker but for sure Turner wants to prove himself for sure and he is the one who accepted this fight for sure Bobby Green can be dominant in this fight in my opinion,


For sure this is bookies underestimating the older dude, as Jalin Turner is just 28 and Bobby Green is now at his 37 of age, but let's just say on paper Bobby Green is so much more amazing than Turner but for some reason, there are people that will go and see the age gap of the two fighters, for sure this is what I think and the known reason why the odds was in favor with Jalin Turner,

OK, I just checked the odds for Turner Vs Green and Green is a big underdog for some reason, with x2.88 (on Unibet) payout rate. What am I missing here? I'd expect bookies to be favouring Green.
Is it just age and reach advantage? Other than that, Turner is stepping in on a VERY short notice, he lost his 2 latest fights, while Green won his last two in a compelling fashion.

I double checked and nope...  Co main event is Jalin Turner vs Bobby Green.  It really looks like the UFC is trying to give Turner another decent match up to move up the ranks.  They gave him Dan Hooker in his last fight and he looked good at the first round but then dunno...  It was like a switch flipped him off and it suddenly became all Hooker at the second half of R2 and all Hooker at R3.  Did Turner gas out, I have no idea.  But something looked wrong with him after R1...  I guess we'll find out during media day.  Let's see what he has to say about that loss if it comes up.

Anyway I think it's massive disprespect for Fig that he's bumped a notch down the roster.

This accident reminds me Aljamain Sterling and Merab Dvalishvili. They say they are friends and he is from Caucasus and he can't punch to his friend and other Bla Bla Bla nonsense. But recently he got scared of Dana White and in one of his last interview he said that he has never said they wouldn't fight in UFC, they'll fight in UFC if they get a big money. It was clear for me that it was done for money and it had nothing to do with the mentality of Caucasians, etc. Seems, money outweighs friendship.

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Dan Hooker looks like Till Linderman in that hairstyle.


Jon Jones is the beast. He is as talented in MMA and fighting as Messi is in Football.

There is nothing to expect from the Jones vs Miocic fight. It would just be another win for Jones. Jones says it's GOAT vs GOAT but the problem is the miocic era is over. I see it more like Jones is trying to complete his great record in the UFC by defeating a legendary heavyweight fighter but the problem is that the fighter is far past his prime. This is like you saying a welterweight fighter asks for a GOAT vs GOAT match but against GSP who is retired and hasn't trained in a long time.

To be honest, I'm also really looking forward to that fight. But it seems impossible. And I'm not sure that Jones will be able to beat Ngannou. Gane is considered one of the best natural talents in the heavyweight division because he is blessed with a strong physique and abnormal speed. But that's not enough if you have to fight a fighter who has experience in ground fighting. Gane started his MMA career with Muay Thai and wrestling is still his biggest weakness. This could be seen from how Jon Jones took the fight to the ground and there was nothing Gane could do. But the case would be different if Jones fought Ngannou. A fighter who has extraordinary power and excellent wrestling abilities. This was seen during his fight with Gane. So the most interesting fight for the heavyweight class at the moment is of course Aspinall vs Jones, or Gane vs Pavlovich.

You can look at the paper and you can clearly see the difference between the two, Jon Jones has a lot of advantages over Stipe Miocic and Jon Jones's age, Stipe Miocic is 41, and Jon Jones is 36 which is a clear deficit Reach advantage Miocic got Reach: 80.0" (203cm) while Jones has Reach: 84.5" (215cm), fighting record Stipe Miocic got 20-4-0 (Win-Loss-Draw) 14 KO, 1 Submission, and 5 Decision while Jon Jones has 27-1-0, 1 NC (Win-Loss-Draw) with 10 KO, 7 Submission, and 10 Decision, for sure in this kind of stats in paper Jon Jones would likely win and got the edge on the odds,


The UFC has already established the Jon Jones VS Stipe Miocic fight, for it can also generate a potential PPV, but what if the UFC is also establishing the Tom Aspinall for the winner of the Sergei Pavlovich VS Tom Aspinall fight will likely fight Whoever wins the someone who can Jon Jones VS Stipe Miocic

For sure many want to see a fight between Tom Aspinall and Jon Jones but what if the UFC is ahead of us and wants the fight at a later date and the UFC is still establishing a better PPV for the two to fight in a given time for sure,


I never expected his win over Cyril Gane, but he managed to win that in a fast surprising manner, and for sure Jon Jones has the fight IQ to win in a tight spot, but his game will suddenly get over as his age progresses, and now that he is injured I might say that he is likely prone to being injured at his age, and after the Tom Aspinall VS Jon Jones fight for sure it is a hard to see a Francis Ngannou for sure but if Jones gets into PFL maybe we can likely see it,

Can't believe ffor 15 years he managed to be undefeated. I actually thought he'd lose against Gane for the first time I think his fellow MMA star Bisping said it as well and I believe it too. Maybe because I wanted to win the odds.

We could be disappointed once again to bank on Aspinall. Jones still has the reach advantage and he could also do what he did to Gane. Big guy taking down the other aka Khaabib style.