Topic: The whole tipping culture in western countries is unfair and totally wrong! - page 3. (Read 833 times)

Well if they do that then don't eat at their fucking joint in the first place.

You get tips for being good to customers. If you act like an asshole to them then how do you expect to keep your job without customers?

I believe that tipping culture of USA is wrong from the default but it’s the minimum wage that is the trouble. It has been the same price for so so so long that if you worked 8 hours a day for 5 days, you would be earning enough to just starve, nothing more.

The minimum wage could be increased, and that way we would find a way where with or without tips people would live a decent life at least. Just because we say "if they can get away with paying minimum wage, they will" and be fine with that, we need to definitely considering paying a lot more, and I mean like x3 of what it is right now because 7.5 is too little, something around 20 would be a lot better.

It's just weird though why we have to give tips because of the peer pressure but they never really think it broadly like you tip the waiter in an expensive restaurant but when you go to the public market you ask for discount? That's just so wrong right there and it clearly shows that they tip according to the social status or they are showing that they could tip because they have money but couldn't tip the vendors in public market. smh

Yes ,it’s need to think differently every things.We are giving them a  tips from our pocket for the social status.But it’s not a compulsory one,you can avoid of such things on your side.If any people think wrong about you,why you are worry about it.It’s their problem and not your problem.Let them hate you for that,you no need to worry for that things apart.

I don't think that's the case here. But pizza delivery guys are using their company vehicles in most cases.
But it may be different on his area. Maybe, he is talking about 3rd party riders as they do really use their own vehicles.
Owed to pandemic, third party riders are now very common as you can access them in different delivery apps.
But when it comes to tipping, it is still up to you if you will give them or not. If you're not in the mood, or has no extra money, then don't.
Tipping should be a voluntary one and should be happy doing it. But if it is against your will, better not give it.

Firstly, tipping culture is followed in literally every single country in the world. Secondly, tipping pressure varies depending on the business itself. Thirdly, it all comes down to whether you are willing to tip or not.

Some people succumb to peer pressure and end up tipping while some others don't give a crap about any sort of pressure and only tip when they truly want to.

Blaming western countries for introducing the tipping culture is seriously silly since it actually does more good than bad overall.

I don't know a place where tips becomes compulsory. In fact, I've heard of the opposite of some nations although I can't present any crucial evidence to support at the moment but, I know a local security company in my country where, tips are not allowed. Either given by the staff to a fellow staff or customer to another staff. It's one way to control bias by the company within its staff not to turn a blind eye at an unbecoming practice out of favouritism.
That way, you've got nothing to gain or lose in carrying out your duty in all justification.

Tips are given freely and it would be wrong to be forced to tip after paying your service charges. There is no social pressure there except the one you give yourself. If you feel you should then, you should otherwise, don't.

This time around some service providers are relying on this alot to make extra pay on the side and it is funny how the expectation for tipping is going high. Some workers in eateries will salute you at the door way to expect you to drops something for them and if you don't do that you be surprise the next time visit the salute you get won't be cordial like the first. Right inside too is same when the waiter is giving out food there is expectation of keeping over the balance  I also see the ladies in the service do have high expectation to get some tipp from the men.

Are you saying pizza delivery workers use their own personal vehicle and fuel it to do delivery for the company? I find it hard to believe. What happens if you don't have a personal vehicle? Does that mean you will not be able to work as a delivery service since the company won't provide it.
Why would anyone take up such job just for tips that may not account for what you spend doing the job. That's absurd.

You can’t blame the modern societies for doing that and it’s not that bad act if you ask me. The tipping is everywhere, from highly developed modern countries to developing to third world countries.
If you really want to blame and want to know why this has happened then go ahead and read following linked research paper. There is full scope of it.

History: It started in England


It all started as social norm, so that it can improve the quality of service that you get.
It’s not at all mandatory considering the modern day convention.


The history of tipping - From sixteenth-century England to United States in the 1910s

I don't know about tipping in any other country than the US, and to the best of my knowledge restaurants aren't required to pay the servers a minimum wage (and someone correct me if I'm wrong, and I'll have to re-read this thread to see if anyone has since I mentioned it before).  And if they don't have to, they're not going to, especially since the practice of tipping has become so entrenched in American culture.

Food delivery drivers also expect to be tipped, and I'm not sure if their employers pay them at least minimum wage.  Anyway, I would disagree with you that the economy is so bad that people can't afford to tip.  If that were the case, they probably wouldn't be eating at restaurants, taking taxis, ordering food, etc.  This isn't the first time money has been tight, and it won't be the last.

It was actually meant to ensure that the low end job workers do their job diligently, for they will  provide good services for good tips. However these days, the inflation has become so high that customers can't afford to pay tips after giving bills. Also owners are not ready to cut down their profits. Leaving little room for workers.. I believe it's high time owners need to be more responsible for needs of their workers. Customers can't carry this burden.

In some parts it can turn violent if you dont leave a tip, its considered a grand personal insult to the business.  I could never eat at somewhere like that as it would too easily lead to misunderstandings, I did leave a small tip once when I was minimum wage myself and I had no money and it was taken as a big insult.   It is a strange system for most that it could become obligatory and required, I think the guideline is 20% or you will considered to have left without paying the full bill hence the possible violence.
   This is hard to put in words, like I say its on the customer to understand the custom of the land and people they are visiting but heres a video of an upset chef turning violent just for example not that Im saying most people have this bad a temper but I avoid the whole system personally to avoid any possible insult: dont watch with a weak heart nsfw

The process of tipping can be connected to the culture, it can be a support to the staff, and it can be anything. End of the day it should not pressure the consumer.

Initially tipping is the small contribution for the service being provided and to spread happiness to the one served. Later it turned to be a status sign, and this is where people started to tip. I don't know about the western nations, and I'm about my country. This ended up with expectation of tips on service. Now it is a pressure for consumer and the service variation can be found as one of the user mentioned.
I loved the way the tip is being shared among the staffs, because it'll not pressure the consumer as well as gives equal distribution based on what they got as tip throughout the day.

I joined some tour before, and I can say that tipping is mandatory and it also happens in Asian countries, I don’t know why but many workers is getting more motivated as they get extra money for themselves. I believe it should not be mandatory and we should only give tips if we are satisfied about their services. I wonder if they are now accepting crypto for their tips.

To be honest, if you know the things, you can't really blame the employee employed in the service business aka tipped employees. It was mainly because how US states allow minimum hourly wages for that service is very low. Heck, as low as $2.63 in Arkansas. This puts the employer aka business owner takes full use of it, by putting the burden to pay his employees on customers. Yes, when you go to a restaurant/service establishment, your tips are the main income for those people working at these, waiters/waitresses and even cooks. Link below if you want to check out, from state to state.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

This makes the price on the menu become a false advertisement and so confusing since your tip is actually MANDATORY at 20%. Lower than that, you're being seemed as stealing the people's hard earn money at the day. The owner gave no fucks. This is what they want, to put the fight between employees and customers while prices on the menu are a placeholder. The whole US tipping culture is cancerous and I'm glad more and more businesses start to pay their employee in full instead. They just need to increase the cost of the dish to 20% to cover that. Employees expect to be professional at a certain level to earn their keep. And no chance you get spits in your food if you had a history of bad tipping. More people start to go to those places instead of 'tip but mandatory' craps.

It isn't like the tipping culture come to die. You can still tip if you want. This is more in line with how the rest of the world use tipping. $48.5 bill? Keep the charge from $50 since you're lovely. I think only US and Canada which mandatory tipping culture is still relevant. Other Anglo countries like Australia, New Zealand and UK don't have this shit. Same with the EU, Japan, SEA,... You can tip if you want but never mandatory. NEVER.

Well, I feel the OP is really running a debate, in favour of manual labourers. But I would love to know if the OP is a manual labourer, or have been one before or has anyone who is because it seems it's from a personal experience this question was asked. Well tipping I'm sure isn't a must and most times, the people you mentioned, especially those waitresses feel so entitled to you tipping especially after buying something of great price or mostly on a date.

I also feel the more reason manual labourers aren't tipped is because of their work environment and the nature of their job as you don't expect someone randomly to just walk to an uninvited construction site just to go tip someone because his doing a job possibly for someone you don't know. Well in a country like Nigeria I believe people will read so many fetish meanings to the kind act you just rendered and if anything negative happens after that at the site, you might definitely be held responsible.

Most times I also think this tipping is mostly done by male customers to the female workers and in most cases for a well rendered service. I personally do tip people if I'm well treated and very satisfied with the services rendered to me.

I can't say about other countries, but here every employees have to receive a minimum wage imposed by the federation, so if a business owner wants to hire someone, he must fulfill this requirement, under the risk of being punished if he doesn't register the employee accordingly.

So I conclude waiters, carriers, delivery guys are being paid like every other workers of the country, but they still receive voluntary tips from customers, because it is part of the etiquette and an expression of kindness with someone who was kind to you when doing his job. I believe you can motivate the worker, show gratitude and respect for his good work by doing this, although some nice and polite words can have the same effect without being necessary to give extra money.

After all, it is up to each customer to decide giving tips or not. The culture isn't totally unfair and wrong, because you aren't being forced into it.

And I don't really believe in tipping culture because the minimum wage they receive doesn't match the work they do.
The most likely assumption, that tipping is a person's culture after seeing the maximum service provided by workers, so people think that they deserve a tip. Although many people judge the culture is not too good to be applied.

I remember the taxi driver I used to ride with, the driver in question really gave a pretty good service, I unconsciously tipped the taxi driver so sincerely. This analogy actually depends on customer service needs, and when someone decides to give a tip, it is a sign that the level of satisfaction with the service provided is maximized.

I don't understand the tipping culture in the U.S. Why aren't restaurants paying at least the minimum wage, so their waiters can live comfortably in combination with the tips they receive? Waiters are basically costing the employer nothing. It's ridiculous that workers are putting up with it. What if everybody stopped tipping? Especially now, with the increased living costs and the already inflated prices of the U.S., adding another 20% to your bill every time you dine outside is excessive.

Honestly, I'd be pissed if I had to spend another $20 just to eat outside. Why are people, both workers and customers putting up with such a stupid culture?