Topic: The whole tipping culture in western countries is unfair and totally wrong! - page 5. (Read 833 times)

Tipping is not in the rules and it is all done according to the will of the giver. Even if there are rules about tips, don't they all mean things that are mandatory to give? Moreover, this is a cultural problem where culture is thick with western habits, they do it because it is considered a form of concern. If we look at the other side of the construction workers, of course they rarely even never interact with customers or provide services. Let's say they work in the open field, conditions that never bring in customers to serve.

That's why I said REMEMBER. because the 2nd time around. You get get what you deserve.
The more you behave well if you are in the fastfood restaurant because you pay first in this restaurant.

Taxi driver's are from the city and they know well where the criminals are. When I go to a new city, its always the taxi driver that I ask where to go if I wanted something done.  They are good to be friend with.

so.  lets try something else.

Pizza delivery driver.   95% of these people use there own car own gas own insurance 100% there own risk.  

Most dont even get a salary.  Accident rate among pizza drivers is high due to the nature of the job.  

They get to pay for their own gas, oil change which is about once a month due to the very high mileage  brakes tires ball joints tie rods most of that is once a year, brakes twice.  If they live in snowy regions then add Winter tires to that added costs.

Pizza car maintenance is high.   Many don't bother and buy utter crap and drive it in to the ground.   Can be cheaper to replace crap car with another crap car then to fix them.  So they also get to spend time replacing the car.  


Tip your fucking driver!  Be happy hes even working!   He might even be an asshole but he gets to deal with shitheads all day long on the road and at the door.  saying to him... but you got your delivery fee right?

Some professions in Western countries have simply attached to them an additional way of earning through tips, so although it is somewhat understandable to me that a man who is in a good mood and celebrating something in a restaurant or cafe rewards the waiter with a tip (because it is not an easy job as some think), when it comes to delivery or barbershops/hairdressing salons, tips don't really fit in there.

However, with more and more digital payments, I think that the situation is changing and that tips will slowly become a thing of the past - because if you pay by card, then you pay the exact amount for the service, and the waiter or delivery person will have to accept that times have changed and not expect a tip.

However, if we consider payment with Bitcoin, tips could still remain part of the culture, but that would mean that everyone should adapt to new technologies. If you pay your bill with LN, then theoretically you could tip the waiter the same way, which wouldn't be a bad promotion for Bitcoin as a currency.

I have never visited a restaurant in my entire life and I don't use food delivery services.
What's the point of visiting restaurants nowadays? Just buy food and learn to cook.
I don't use food delivery services because I'm not lazy enough to just sit in my home, instead of going to the store and buy some food.
I've never lived in a western country and I don't know about such "social pressure" of giving tips to waitresses and food delivery people.
Maybe there is such social pressure, but giving tips shouldn't be mandatory. The restaurant industry is really competitive and the profits margins are low, so the restaurant owners give low salaries to the waitresses. Perhaps in the not-so-distant future, the waitresses will be replaced by robots, so the customers won't have to give tips.

In my country, this culture is not widespread as many restaurants give a fixed tariff in the bill and all you have to do is pay that bill, even giving a tip to the waitress is considered a strange thing or an attempt by the person to woo her.

The same thing is related to the delivery worker, as the delivery company takes a percentage and you are the one who pays the money of the delivery worker, not the company, as there is a fixed amount for each kilometre.

I can't confirm your statement that "social pressure to leave tips" exists in the US & CA since I don't live there. But, assuming that it's correct, I disagree with this culture. A tip shouldn't be mandatory, but as a gratitude for great service other than simply saying "thank you." Before thinking about it deeply, I was sold on the idea that giving tip money is always good and felt good about it. But the days of me tipping is over. Now, in most cases, I only say thanks and save the tip money for other purchases in the same shop if I like their service, or tipping if the service gets extra personal. It's the best way to keep the business run and profitable. Tip money is an unnecessary overhead that can make a business less profitable in the long run and generally get a bad customer experience. Hence, many service companies now ban tipping for the same reason in the country I reside.

As you stated in your topic title, it's the culture, i.e, way of life of the people there. Same way there are places where it's rude to tip, places where strangers are welcomed easily without questions and so on.
Culture as a whole doesn't take on a practical approach, it's more traditional and historical, and while there are many cultures which are not generally acceptable, stopping them is a hassle.

To be sure, do you pay the bill at a restaurant before you order or after you're done?
I'm used to it being paid after, so except you are a regular at a particular place, they would not suspect whether or not you're going to tip.

Its not mandatory but we're used to it already.
And its also because the guys in the restaurant will remember you don't give tips to them, they will spit and piss on your drink which I'm sure you won't like it.  This is why I also give tips to some waiters who will serve me on a restaurant because I've seen it first hand what they did to someone's food.

Seem unfair indeed. But for construction crew, it should be the foreman that has to give the tip.

This is something that I can't still understand, why is there so much pressure to tip in restaurant, in taxi, tip to the delivery guy, etc.
They are doing their job, right? If they are getting low salary from the company and can't live without tips, that's not my fault. The business model that restaurants have is that they pay very low salaries to their employees and get most of the profit in their own pocket. Why is it socially accepted in western countries? Especially in the USA and Canada? Instead of social pressure to leave tips, why isn't there pressure on business owners to pay them more? Why is it socially accepted that pig businessman should get high profit, work his employees on low wage and the customer should compensate it?

Why do we tip people who work in restaurant, delivery, barbershop, etc instead of people who work in constructions? I have never seen anyone tipping to someone who works as a manual laborer. Do you guys really think that manual labor is easier than being a waitress? Or a delivery guy? Or do you think that they are paid higher? Manual laborers are working very hard with very little wages, their wages can be smaller than the wages of people in service industry. Also, working in manual labor is very dangerous for health and most of them have health problem while they aren't offered insurance and other benefits.
It's unfair that people in service industry are tipped but people in manual labor - not. And if the manual laborer somehow managed to go in restaurant, some shit waitress will get mad if he won't tip her.