Topic: There is an abuse of merit - page 2. (Read 1840 times)

Believe me buddy, I don't know who they are. I have no desire to obtain merit illegally. If I can get merit by showing my merit, then I will do it, and I have no desire to get merit.
I am a small person, and I am learning by following you. I can't tell you how much time I spent. I am an SEO expert, but I know well from good ideas about the forums. You are my guide on this journey.

Trust me, Buddy, I'm not trying to tell any lies. Someone is trying to put me in danger. I have no account except one in this forum. I am here to learn knowledge. You will see my posts where I talk about what I know or try to help.

Yes, you have been here for 7–10 years. You are great people, and I always respect you. I want to move forward by following you. We can only move forward without your help. See my posts as i slowly learn and try to post sensibly.

I recall theymos discourage giving trust feedback for merit abuse, so don't expect DT will take action. Although i expect those abuser would be ignored by some members, which means they will receive less merit from them.

Congrats, you have now put yourself on the radar. I am not sure why folks make a post here and think that it will not draw attention to themselves? The community has seen nearly every trick in the book by now, most of us have been here 7-10 years.

Love the last line, sleep well for now lol.

No, no, buddy, you are in vain trying to separate yourself from this group. Your history of merit has a lot to do with those who participate in the competition. Such coincidences do not happen, just believe me. I simply have no other connections, so sleep well for now.

I wrote a post yesterday to get such merit; I decided to do it today, but it is better to talk about it than to those who have given me so many merits. They are new and have yet to post in any other thread. Their accounts should be looked into.

I am also surprised that a new member has given me many merits. Why did he give so much merit to my account? They don't understand anything new but must also know why they gave me this merit. Their accounts need to be monitored.

I am more surprised that my post is about merit abuse, but my post is getting merit like this. I am shocked.

I'm surprised no one didn't pay attention with users who merited @OP.

@OP username Elissa~sH
User who gave largest merit in this thread Unas~True

Is this really a coincidence?

Let's dig deeper, Unas~True created an account since January 26, 2024, he didn't make any post. Two months later he suddenly participate in Merit giveaway thread.

After he got 14 merits, he didn't even merit any post in Beginners & Help section (it's the board he posted in this forum, which mean he's familiar on this board to other board), but he choose to visit Reputation board and give 6 merits to this thread.

There's a rule that forbid alt accounts usage, can I say @OP deserve to get negative feedback?

Edit:
Elissa~sH last submission
Unas~True last submission

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Oh man, you're faster than me!

If you don’t see a single tag from DT, it doesn’t mean that people don’t see what’s happening with these accounts. In addition, there is no rule to flag accounts for forwarding merits, at least without concrete evidence of their alternatives. Don't just think about participating in signature companies, perhaps some people do not understand the value of merit, and transferring it in such quantity was not something important for the sender.
At least as long as these accounts are not active, there is no need to tag them or worry at all.

Although in your case, receiving 2 merits from a user who also rarely writes on the forum other than offering himself to participate in a signature looks almost the same.
But yes, not the same scale.

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You can also see how the Elissa~sH account receives merit from those who recently participated in the NotATether competition and received 14 merits from it. Quite a strange interest of newcomers who come to this topic with thanks to Elissa~sH, isn't it?
Only a blind person would not notice the transfer of merit between alternatives that have become very cunning.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3605965
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=112675
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=3613705
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=117429

As The Sceptical Chymist says, any reward on the forum will be abused.

It is a complete abuse of merit. But even though you have posted it here for a long time, no action has been seen from DT members against it so far. Many have discussed here but no tag has been given for such abuse. 50 merit per 1 transaction on a Newbie account means the same person is managing both accounts. And now many signature campaign slots are seen empty for Full Member so it can be a plan to get full member rank quickly and join signature campaign. Another funny thing was that the Merited post was the last post from that account and since then that account has become inactive.  But here also the link between these two accounts is found that both accounts are inactive then the question is if these two accounts are not managed by the same owner then how can their activity be the same

 For a user who has spent so much time in this place, this act of his just made him appear like a newbie. I know that giving merits differs from person to person but I went through that post and I didn't really see how @hashuna posts contributed anything of value to warrant such a ridiculous amount of merits. I've seen others get merited such an amount and if you look at it, they deserved it, but this just points to one thing; he's an alt to an account farmer.
 I also went through @Icefrag's post history and saw the guy mostly does his business in the altcoin section and most of his posts are usually one- liners and on further inspection, it shows he was online today by 8 or there about but hasn't come to clear his name here which can only mean he has nothing to defend himself with.
Some of these offenders just look to me like they are less concerned of the consequences of their actions and don't bother to feel sorry since they know they can always evade bans(if it comes to banning ) by using their numerous alts that weren't caught.

But it’s allowed!
Well, I guess not having a clear definition to it which is something I am in on, as this would constitute the creation of threads that follows a pattern and even increase abuse so as it is, the case cannot be conclusively proven but, obvious abuses like this should be talked about at least.
In the context of condemnation to deter or discourage such habits in the future. On the knowledge of how the account doing the meriting just woke up, I see little reason to doubt it having to change hands. It’s the likely possibility but, users on here knows better than to see it for a base to trust activities promoted in this manner.

That is it, when there are no further rules to back fair usage but entire freedom for the usage, there will be abuse (directly or indirectly), and this abuse is mostly not provable since there are many freedoms to it. No matter how people could defend this, I still believe that it is unless the post is intriguing, so respectable and above all adds huge value to the forum itself, it's only then that it could be worth the 50 merits at a go.  But I see some posts that are worth less than 2 merits attracting 50 merits at times. I mean very short posts with no serious worth of appreciation.

I don't care about what users do to defend this anymore, people are sending merits based on sentiment, that's a fact and sentiment doesn't make it perfect. I'm also done thinking about the merits system of a thing, it's not worth it and it is what it is. We should all live by it (fair or not) and try to be of quality with our posts mostly for the sake of the forum and not for the merit itself. If merits come, fine, and if it doesn't come, fine.

The most important thing is for your username to continue speaking of who you are, something which the merit system itself can't deny you.

Something people haven't considered is when a person intends to merit a post with one, two or even five merits and have inadvertently merited ten, twenty or possibly in this case fifty merits.

It's unwarranted for the OP to be earning merits for bemoaning that someone else got merits.

The quality of posts is very subjective - so there is no benchmark that what some people consider low-quality posts is anything but quality to other users. However, to send 50 merit in one transaction there must be a clear reason – apart from the quality of the post, maybe something useful could also be the reason.

I can give you an example: Look at this one - hugeblack sent examplens as much as 40 merit in one transaction, it's clear why.

It is not right to give this post merit. It has been abused on merit. He should be warned about them. And this account is not used much. Sometimes wakes up.

I don't know if there is any method to send merit but for sending merit it must be a good quality post. There is no rule to award merit without merit. To send merit, it must be a good quality post only then merit can be given. I've also seen good quality posts get 50 or more merit majors at once. The posts I saw that sent 50 merits or more were very good quality merit posts. Here the post in which he gave merit was not given in full merit post. It is a misuse of merit.

The matter of sending talent is accepted but not so much is accepted in any way. It makes no sense for him to send so many merits to this post. These should be noted. Misuse of merit is that they must be warned against this, not everyone can send merit like this.

Although, the merit system has no perfect modality for disbursement and I've seen many users delivering the 50 merits at once to other users. Just like franky1, he enjoys doing that at once. This could be at anyone's discretion since it's flexible, yet, I love it if it is being used wisely and distributed effectively instead of wasting it on just a post while other more meaningful posts are being neglected.

About your concern, the suspicion here is that the user who sent the merit was a dead horse that just arose again for the purpose of sending the merit. This could indeed be concerning but may not be as we thought of it at times. Regardless of how it is, it is certainly an abuse of merit sharing of the forum, especially when the post merited is not worth any merit, not to mention handing it a whole 50 merits at once. That's gross.

In these scenarios the one receiving the merits can state they received and have no control over the one who sent them (which can be true of course) therefore however unlikely, what are the chances both accounts are being operated by the same puppeteer? When it comes to this forum, very strange things have happened over the years and still continue to happen to this day, therefore is it an option?

It's obvious the merit is from what theymos airdropped to all users to kickstart the Merit system in 2018. Judging from the accuser's post history, they last posted in August 2018 before this ongoing debacle this 2024. The account suddenly woke this year to splash 50 merit on a post that doesn't even deserve a single merit. It's a jaw dropping behaviour. Whatever made them do that is left to be understood.

To even think that the accused had been in the forum way back since 2013 makes it all surprising by that attitude. Perhaps it's a bought account. I suspect something isn't right there.

I have noticed that many people do things like this, but it needs to be worked on. Care should be taken to prevent the misuse of merit. Many good posts have been done long ago, and still, newbies are benefiting from those posts, which were given more than 50 merits too long ago. Currently, it offers merit to average posts without maintaining quality. We don't see well about these issues: which of my posts will be given merit and which posts will not. I have noticed that merit is shown in some places that are not places to give merit.
Since this is an excellent forum with many rules, they should be maintained well. Everything must be done correctly. Randomly doing something on the forum means ruining its reputation.

This scam needs to be revised; something needs to be done about it. For sending merit, such qualification will require a complete post where the post can be sent. But this is a post where so much merit is given. They neglect the matter of merit so much that it should not be ignored. Merit is given to those post ID who are eligible, and merit should always be considered. Having such a good account is possible if you know the general rules. I am not saying anything about them, but they must be aware of them. If they make such mistakes, the newcomers will not care if they see them.

Watch how Hashuna argues with Mega22 very often. The latter repeatedly calls project a scam.
I wouldn't be surprised that the 50 merits were sent to give weight to Hashuna's account, but since Icefrag understands that it's not worth risking his high rank by promoting a scam, he sent the merits to another newbie account that he doesn't mind losing.
It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Mega22, since it is clearly not a matter of the desire to participate in signature, as someone writes. Mega22 clearly knows more, since he communicated in a telegram outside the forum.