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Topic: Theymos: What the fuck is up with BFL and TradeFortress? (Read 14311 times)

legendary
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I think this forum is doomed.

If the owner may be a scammer...

a few of them are not very old even TF himself apparently, and probably most of them have not woken up

it has the hallmarks of many early ebay IP scams where young impressionable broken family kids with access to computers and the net

where used by anonymous older users to partake in theft and id fraud

the concept of cryptocurrencies is solid though which is why the whole show hasn't fallen apart under such extreme pressure

even though most of us are wishing it would so we could add more coin to storage  Cheesy







 
member
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I think this forum is doomed.

If the owner may be a scammer...
sr. member
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Theymos has got to be in on it, 13 pages and no response. Somehow negative trust feedback on TradFortress's account is being removed.
Perhaps he has been paid by TF.
TF has a GREEN rating...
member
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"Ignorance never settles a question."
Theymos has got to be in on it, 13 pages and no response. Somehow negative trust feedback on TradFortress's account is being removed.
member
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"Ignorance never settles a question."
http://www.businessinsider.com/1-million-bitcoin-theft-in-australia-2013-11   Here is a picture of where tradefortress supposedly lives. He better start runnin.
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
Actually that's pretty damn coincidental...last online on the 22nd, when was the 'hack' again? I smell sockpuppet.

Is it possible to give him a posting break for excessive sockpuppeting? I mean come on, Matthew was banned for trolling, please?

I mean scammer or not, he's inciting Drama on a regular basis, and it gets old.
hero member
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Actually that's pretty damn coincidental...last online on the 22nd, when was the 'hack' again? I smell sockpuppet.


Nice spot. I think he might just be a sockpuppet.
sr. member
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Two scammers and we aren't seeing any scammer or untrustworthy tag.

TradeFortress is a little controversial (although I believe he is firmly in the scammer camp for deliberately misleading newbies).

But there can be absolutely no question that BFL is a bad actor and needs the label right away.

Why are you abdicating your responsibilities?



Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why o Why did I not read this earlier.

TradeFortress has lied about many many things relating to his services and business practices and has so far taken 100% of CL deposits in excess of 6000 BTC 

hero member
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R.I.P Silk Road 1.0
Should've went with my gut feeling.  Huh
legendary
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Two scammers and we aren't seeing any scammer or untrustworthy tag.

TradeFortress is a little controversial (although I believe he is firmly in the scammer camp for deliberately misleading newbies).

But there can be absolutely no question that BFL is a bad actor and needs the label right away.

Why are you abdicating your responsibilities?



Bull crap. I will defend TradeFortress until I die. Not a scammer. Legit. CoinChat is legit. Inputs.io is legit. Ripple scam is legit. Glados.cc is legit. TradeFortress is legit. 'Nuff said.

BFL is not a scam. They only take years to release miners. It keeps the price from changing dramatically.

You sir, are a moron.

Still standing by this?

Actually that's pretty damn coincidental...last online on the 22nd, when was the 'hack' again? I smell sockpuppet.
sr. member
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legendary
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Two scammers and we aren't seeing any scammer or untrustworthy tag.

TradeFortress is a little controversial (although I believe he is firmly in the scammer camp for deliberately misleading newbies).

But there can be absolutely no question that BFL is a bad actor and needs the label right away.

Why are you abdicating your responsibilities?



Bull crap. I will defend TradeFortress until I die. Not a scammer. Legit. CoinChat is legit. Inputs.io is legit. Ripple scam is legit. Glados.cc is legit. TradeFortress is legit. 'Nuff said.

BFL is not a scam. They only take years to release miners. It keeps the price from changing dramatically.

You sir, are a moron.

Still standing by this?
hero member
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Merit: 1000
‘Try to be nice’
Not at all.  Merely questioning exactly what makes TF's troll a "Luddite attack."
He's convincing people to hurt themselves with powerful technology as a way of arguing that people are too dumb to have that technology or the technology is bad because it enables people to hurt themselves. It's completely different from arguing that there should be better safeties or warnings.

For example, consider a hammer. A person can bash their thumb with a hammer. The Luddite argument is that because people can bash their thumb with a hammer, hammers are bad. Or, worse, convincing people to use hammers carelessly so you can show lots of pictures of black and blue thumbs to stop this scourge of evil hammers. It's not at all the same as arguing that because people can bash their thumbs with a hammer, people need to understand how to safely use hammers or that it might be worth investigating whether a hammer can be designed such that it's more difficult to hit your thumb.


I agree with Joel here , and lol at the input.io scam so I guess , he went "full retard" after all.

But unfortunately what I would explore Joel is the nature of the society in which we exist, unfortunately thats the one we have to work with,  there is such a "normalization" of debt issuance ingrained in the human society , there is no way that these principles will function because the "person" will always trust.

Thats my bet.

legendary
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quack
Two scammers and we aren't seeing any scammer or untrustworthy tag.

TradeFortress is a little controversial (although I believe he is firmly in the scammer camp for deliberately misleading newbies).

But there can be absolutely no question that BFL is a bad actor and needs the label right away.

Why are you abdicating your responsibilities?



Bull crap. I will defend TradeFortress until I die. Not a scammer. Legit. CoinChat is legit. Inputs.io is legit. Ripple scam is legit. Glados.cc is legit. TradeFortress is legit. 'Nuff said.

BFL is not a scam. They only take years to release miners. It keeps the price from changing dramatically.

You sir, are a moron.

He's legit? He scams newbies and tells them they will get free 1 btc when they do thing X. They don't get free 1 BTC. Isn't that scamming? + all other stuff that's unreliable BUT could be true. But that ripple stuff is known to have happened.

Is it really so talking can make you non scammer even if you scam?

Also I must add: I really can't take it serious when you first praise TF and then say BFL didn't scam. FYI they lied about shipping times (1 year and counting) and chip efficiency and whatnot.
legendary
Activity: 1511
Merit: 1072
quack
Two scammers and we aren't seeing any scammer or untrustworthy tag.

TradeFortress is a little controversial (although I believe he is firmly in the scammer camp for deliberately misleading newbies).

But there can be absolutely no question that BFL is a bad actor and needs the label right away.

Why are you abdicating your responsibilities?



Bull crap. I will defend TradeFortress until I die. Not a scammer. Legit. CoinChat is legit. Inputs.io is legit. Ripple scam is legit. Glados.cc is legit. TradeFortress is legit. 'Nuff said.

BFL is not a scam. They only take years to release miners. It keeps the price from changing dramatically.

You sir, are a moron.

He's legit? He scams newbies and tells them they will get free 1 btc when they do thing X. They don't get free 1 BTC. Isn't that scamming? + all other stuff that's unreliable BUT could be true. But that ripple stuff is known to have happened.

Is it really so talking can make you non scammer even if you scam?
hero member
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Merit: 505
Bull crap. I will defend TradeFortress until I die. Not a scammer. Legit. CoinChat is legit. Inputs.io is legit. Ripple scam is legit. Glados.cc is legit. TradeFortress is legit. 'Nuff said.

BFL is not a scam. They only take years to release miners. It keeps the price from changing dramatically.

You sir, are a moron.

Meanwhile the ripple scam is blowing over, and the despicable shill that started this entire thread is much less vocal. So I guess we can forget about this for now, until MrShills find some new shady "business" to push much to the amusement of non noobs.

+1
hero member
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Merit: 522
Bull crap. I will defend TradeFortress until I die. Not a scammer. Legit. CoinChat is legit. Inputs.io is legit. Ripple scam is legit. Glados.cc is legit. TradeFortress is legit. 'Nuff said.

BFL is not a scam. They only take years to release miners. It keeps the price from changing dramatically.

You sir, are a moron.

Meanwhile the ripple scam is blowing over, and the despicable shill that started this entire thread is much less vocal. So I guess we can forget about this for now, until MrShills find some new shady "business" to push much to the amusement of non noobs.
legendary
Activity: 3431
Merit: 1233
It keeps the price from changing dramatically.
How soon will BFL start doing what they are paid for by their customers has nothing in common with bitcoin price!
newbie
Activity: 30
Merit: 0
Two scammers and we aren't seeing any scammer or untrustworthy tag.

TradeFortress is a little controversial (although I believe he is firmly in the scammer camp for deliberately misleading newbies).

But there can be absolutely no question that BFL is a bad actor and needs the label right away.

Why are you abdicating your responsibilities?



Bull crap. I will defend TradeFortress until I die. Not a scammer. Legit. CoinChat is legit. Inputs.io is legit. Ripple scam is legit. Glados.cc is legit. TradeFortress is legit. 'Nuff said.

BFL is not a scam. They only take years to release miners. It keeps the price from changing dramatically.

You sir, are a moron.
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
An alternative approach (simplified) would be to premine, give out ALL the XRP but then have ones that are currently destroyed in transactions instead returned to them as a fee.  Then to make a profit they'd HAVE to get ripple adopted and widely used.

The more I think about it, the more I come to the realization that this doesn't really solve anything.  Ripple is based on the hope that it will become widely adopted (i.e. enormous growth).  If all of the XRP were distributed, it would still be held by a very small fraction of the populace.  There's a bit more distribution than the current control by one major corporation but in the end, you're still talking about a very small percentage of people controlling the majority share of XRP. 

The better way to do it would be to have a controlled disbursement of XRP, similar to the creation curve in Bitcoin.  Rather than one corporation holding the lion's share of XRP or dumping all XRP to early adopters, XRP gets distributed to the user base over the course of a few decades.  This would encourage acceptance, reward early adopters, and still allow for new users to get their share of the pie.  Unfortunately, this type of distribution does not seem to be possible.  I have a feeling the creators of Ripple did not go down this road because they did not want to be seen as a Bitcoin copycat, but in doing so, I think they created a system that will be very hard for people to adopt as it is abundantly clear that unlike Satoshi, the creators of Ripple wield all of the power.

Except the power weilded by xrp is an insignificant fraction of that weilded by other currency within the ripple network to the point where this power is irrelevant

Irrelevant?  Hardly.  Even OpenCoin would be foolish to agree with you as their whole profitability model is based around the hope that XRP is most definitely relevant.  If you look at the ripple network as a series of moving and interconnected gears, XRP is the grease.  No grease, those gears seize up and nothing moves, that's hardly trivial.
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