Topic: This is bad: Russia 'abducts' Estonian officer after Obama says US will defend.. - page 4. (Read 4588 times)

Democracy is only one of the forms of governing, and in its current form is a pretty recent invention. Belarus is not democratic. Agreed. But it does not make it malfunctioning for that.
I have several friends in Lithuania, who moved closer to their relatives into Belarus, simply because living standards and housing is better there, and there is work to be had - the factories and agriculture are working, unlike in the Baltic states.

For those, who read Terry Prattchett, I invite you to think about the ruler of Ankh-Morpork, Lord Vetinary. One man, one vote; Vetinary is the man, so he has the vote. And Ankh-Morpork works as a fine-tuned clockwork.

I know Russia is a trans-continental nation, I've flown over it quite a few times. I also note you conveniently forgot to reply to the main part of my last post, but that's all right, we can talk about Belarus is that's people want here.

How about press freedom? Is it possible to print in a newspaper that the president of Belarus has a tiny, tiny willy like Putin? (I'm only joking, don't get angry). How about economic freedom? How easy is it to start a business in Belarus?

Any fair elections there? What are the democratic institutions in Belarus? How many political parties in the opposition?

Yes, please. Let's talk about freedom in Belarus!

Hi there from Russia. Im sorry my english is not so good but maybe I'll can tell u something interesting as russian citizen? It's all my own opinion.
I want to say, there are strong brain washing everywhere: on our TV, on Ukraina TV and I think in Europe countries too.
But, I think Im not washed and I'll try to talk without loud words.

I don't want a new war. And nobody of russians wants (maybe only small group of radical nacionalists and skin-heads). There are too many lifes was crashed in last big war: u know, east front of WW2 was very deadly for russians, there are memorials of that war stay in every russian city and village. One of my ...grandfathers... (not shure how right to say) was too died in arplane-fighter. So, all "normal" russians don't want a war.

What about Crimea and Ukraine? I don't know is it right that Putin doing, but Crimea was under russian people many ages... There are the same russians living at Crimea and east-Ukraine as we, it's not their fault that they now in Ukraine now after USSR breakup. Im too [was can] be now in Ukraine, Belarus and orher ex-USSR place if be my parents migrate at last. In USSR times, it was One country, people migrated between cities and soviet respublics like now americans migrates between New York and Los Angeles for example. So, many of russians now in Crimea and east Ukraine. U know, cities like ukrainian Donetsk, Lugansk, Mariupol and other speak at russian language. That cities like Odessa, Kiev speak ~50/50 russian and ukrainian. And west cities talking at ukrainian. Why this war begans? Because Kiev was banned russian language all over Ukraina. But in east Ukraina many people even don't know ukrainian language! Yes, it's similar languages, Im russian and can understand in common when I read ukrainian text. But when i MUST use it in all official documents - it's shit u know? So, add to this an idiots in ukrainian goverment, crapping between west and east, situation when russian lives better than east-ukrainians and u understand that east ukrainian people choosing Russia and no choosing Kiev. Putin's hands are tied too and he can't make something active to protect east-ukrainians (=russians).
I think it may be good if Crimea and east-Ukraine will be russian. But I don't want to hypothetical situation when Putin will try to do west Ukraine ano other coutries russian parts. There are so different culture, that union will not be long and stable.

So, about 1930's invasion in Poland and Finlandia. I know war is not good, but Im understand Stalin in this situation. He afraided of Hitler and tried to move goverment frontier from east to west to have some additional days if Hitler will attack. It all the same didn't help with the beginning of its attack... And now Putin trying to make something like that: he afraid NATO and wants have additional minutes to do something if ballistic rockets will starts. So, if NATO will be here, on russian-ukrainian frontier, we'll can not crash a hypothetic ballistic rockets with nuclear bombs that theoretically may be launched (we know a militaristic politics of USA and NATO!!). And if NATO will not be on frontier, we will have some minutes to launch couner-rockets and maybe some east cities will be saved from niclear fire.
This is main purpose of Putin I think. He isn't want to occupate Europe.

bryant.coleman, all these things don't matter, because "Belarus is not a free country".

And no matter that taxation systems in many of self-proclaimed free countries are working as countrywide machines of exploitation. Hell yeah, why should somebody care about financial slavery while Belarus is not a free country.

Well, for your information, Russia is a trans-continental country, sharing its border with 16 sovereign states. With some, it enjoy quite frosty relations (such as Poland and Latvia). But with others, there is no lack of warmth in the relationship (Kazakhstan, Belarus, Mongolia, DPRK, China.etc).

And coming back to Belarus, I personally don't care whether it is a free country or not. After the breakup of the USSR, Belarus was the only country which remained stable. It's president refused to nationalize the public assets (i.e selling them to the oligarchs at 1/100th of the original rate).

In the late 1990s, when millions of Ukrainians and Russians were dying from alcoholism and other external causes, the Belorussians enjoyed a modest but stable lifestyle. It is evident from looking at the death rates at that time. Death rates in the Russian and Ukrainian regions bordering Belarus shot up to around 25/1000, while the same in Belarus was around 15/1000. The reason was that drunkard Yeltsin and Kravchuk / Kuchma never bothered about the silent genocide of their people, but Lukashenko did his best to prevent similar incident from happening in Belarus. I have a great deal of respect towards him for that.

You should be proud of your post-Soviet programming.

From your nation's FAILURE, you have arisen from the ashes as neo-fascists.

Keep killing innocent people, you fucking MONSTERS. WE WILL SLAY YOU.

You should be ashamed of your brainwashed 

Seems you give a new meaning to the term "invasion". Viet Nam was a real invasion, but you can't say America has invaded Ukraine, nor that it invaded Tunisia in 2011. I know that for sure, since I was there at the time.

Whereas in the nineties, Russia had been at war in Georgia and Chechnya, but that's not what I want to talk about.

My point is that people see the biggest danger as the one closest to their home. To a Pole or a Lithuanian watching the news about IS, he will see sunni muslims killing shia muslims, and behading two Americans. That sure is bad, but he won't see any relation between that and himself, nor with his country. But talk to a Pole about what's going on in Ukraine, and he will have plenty to say, all bad about Russia.

It's a negative sign that Russia doesn't enjoy friendly relations with any of its neighbor. Well, Belarus is an exception, but that isn't a free country.

dude, tell me more about 15 republics in 1920 If someone look like ruSSian, talk like ruSSian, smell like ruSSian, then it's probably marsians.


The Polish–Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1921) was an armed conflict that pitted Soviet Russia and Soviet Ukraine against the Second Polish Republic and the Ukrainian People's Republic over the control of an area equivalent to today's Ukraine and parts of modern-day Belarus. At some points the war also threatened Poland's e

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

^^^ You need to understand some basic facts.

#1. It was the USSR, better known as the Soviet Union which invaded Poland. From 1918 to 1991, there was no Russia.

#2. The USSR, was composed of 15 constituent federal republics. These republics were:  Russian SFSR, Ukrainian SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Uzbek SSR, Kazakh SSR, Georgian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Latvian SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Tajik SSR, Armenian SSR, Turkmen SSR & Estonian SSR.

If you claim that the Russian SFSR invaded Poland, then the facts does not corroborate that. It was invaded by forces from all the 15 constituent federal republics.

The Soviet invasion of Poland was a Soviet military operation that started without a formal declaration of war on 17 September 1939, immediately after the end of the undeclared war between the Soviet Union and the Empire of Japan at the Battles of Khalkhin Gol (Nomonhan) in the Far East. The Molotov–Tojo agreement between the USSR and Japan was signed on 15 September 1939, with a ceasefire taking effect on 16 September 1939.[6] On 17 September, sixteen days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviet Union did so from the east. The invasion ended on 6 October 1939 with the division and annexing of the whole of the Second Polish Republic by Germany and the Soviet Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

The Polish–Soviet War (February 1919 – March 1921) was an armed conflict that pitted Soviet Russia and Soviet Ukraine against the Second Polish Republic and the Ukrainian People's Republic over the control of an area equivalent to today's Ukraine and parts of modern-day Belarus. At some points the war also threatened Poland's e

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

Has the Russian Federation ever invaded Poland? If you are referring to the Russian Empire, then it ceased to exist in 1917. But I have to remind you that the Russian Empire consisted of the present day nations such as Finland, Ukraine.etc and is very very different from the Russian Federation. Should I say that therefore Finland has invaded Poland?

^ ^ Then why do we (russians) always fight NOT on their land? Then why are we in Poland, Finland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, in Afghanistan, in Transnistria, Chechnya, Georgia, and now in the Ukraine called the occupiers?

http://politikum.in.ua/post/5sep2014/comments/510-mihail-vistickiy.html

The most dangerous country to world peace is the United States of America. IS has invaded 2 countries in the last 50 years. Russia has invaded none. On the other hand, the US has invaded dozens of nations ever since the end of WW2.

Here is the list:

1949 Greece
1952 Cuba
1953 Iran
1953 British Guyana
1954 Guatemala
1955 South Vietnam
1957 Haiti
1958 Laos
1960 South Korea
1960 Laos
1960 Ecuador.
1963 Dominican Republic
1963 South Vietnam
1963 Honduras
1963 Guatemala
1963 Ecuador.
1964 Brazil
1964 Bolivia
1965 Zaire.
1966 Ghana
1967 Greece
1970 Cambodia
1970 Bolivia
1972 El Salvador
1973 Chile
1979 South Korea (Pro-USA government wanted)
1980 Liberia
1982 Chad
1983 Grenada
1987 Fiji
1989 Panama
2001 Afghanistan
2002 Venezuela
2003 Iraq
2004 Haiti
2009 Honduras
2011 Libya
2011 Tunisia
2013 Egypt
2014 Ukraine

I wonder who is the most dangerous to world peace, IS or Russia. To all countries in Eastern Europe, this is Russia.

Confirmed that abduction occurred in the course of cross border corruption investigation.
 Documented. On Estonian soil.

Remember Medininkai as well: "Russian governments change, lies – and methods – stay the same."

http://estonianworld.com/security/russia-kidnapping-estonians-nothing-new-46-abducted-thirties/

Several Soviet OMON assaults on Lithuanian border posts occurred in 1991, after Lithuania declared its independence from the Soviet Union on March 11, 1990. As a Soviet republic, the Lithuanian SSR did not have a state border with customs or checkpoints. The newly declared Republic of Lithuania began establishing the State Border Guard Service, which also became a symbol of its striving for independence.[1] The Soviet government viewed the customs posts as illegal and sent the OMON (Special Purpose Police Unit) troops against the posts, especially those along the eastern border with Belarus. The unarmed[2] custom officers and policemen were harassed, beaten or killed, their cars were stolen or bombed, the posts were burned down or wrecked, and work of the checkpoints was otherwise disrupted.[3] Two of the incidents resulted in the deaths of eight Lithuanian citizens. In total, about 60 officers were attacked and injured,[4] and 23 border posts were burned or destroyed.[5]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_OMON_assaults_on_Lithuanian_border_posts

Estonia has been crying Wolf, wolf many times before. More PR. Invading them is not worth the effort. Those countries are self-destructing under the US guidance quite nicely as it were...

This might be just a trick to get some of the abducted ex-Soviet military personnel back to Russia. Both these nations have been poking Russia for long. It is time to give a fitting reply, so this who drama is ended once and for all. It seems that both Latvia and Estonia have forgot what happened to Georgia when they similarly tried to poke Russia.