Topic: This Is How To Kill XT… (Read 3893 times)

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Didn't you read, some core developers aren't letting the block size increase with core, so creating xt you bypass that. So some core developers are just being an ass here.

Seems not to be the case. It is available, but nobody is downloading it yet. They prefer XT.

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Satoshi%20+%20BIP101:0.11.0/

Make it 2MB already! Why do you still wait? Do we have to depend on some X-Core devs? We still have other devs. Let's make it happen and discussion will be over. I don't see anybody who rejects 2 MB block size.

We dont need XT. what we need is bitcoin core increase blocksize

What exactly is preventing us, or anyone from just implementing BIP101 and submitting it to the community? And Bigger block is something that we will need in the future but i don't see any urgency. Even XT at the very least wont come to be for months. So again;

Why the rush?

Most people want big size block, but they don't like XT.
If the core developer can't give people  big size block, then the only choice is XT.

I agree. This is the easiest way to cut off bitcoin XT or at least make the core devs look relevant if they would make their own block size decision ..would calm the waters imho
even if bitcoin xt ran the clock out to its Jan fork

Why they have NOT done this leads me to believe two things:

1) these two groups really really hate each others guts now and it is all about power

2) and power as such means the keys to the kingdom of where the code of btc will go ..if it goes to bitcoin XT then two devs will decide how far how fast
    (or not) to make core changes..ie ...coup de ta.  On the other hand in the other camp the core devs say get the win...and probably be the worst of worlds in the other direction and will not innovate much nor push new code very little ..ie the status quo...in other words either way has more ..much more risks and such then just frigging consensus

3) Then again I again agree with the OP here ....the only play the core group has is to raise block size (even modestly) to calm the waters and again I find them NOT
     doing so .....so puzzling...it again has to be all my way or the highway in both camps dev power play

Sh*t just put them 'nerds' in a room and they could have a 'slap fight' for consensus it would be more entertaining and guicker then dragging this out to January 2016 imho
with the fork

I am just very concerned with the current debate and am doing my best to understand the problem and work towards the best solution. My stance has evolved from vehemently Anti-XT, to tentatively Pro-XT, to confidently Pro-XT, back and now to Pro Core BlockSize increase but XT if Core is stonewalled. My posts reflect this evolution and invite productive discussion.

Why have so many threads on one topic?
All by the Op! If I believe his latest stance about supporting core if they where to create bigger blocks, then what am I supposed to make of the other threads?
Its insulting to play members of the forum this way. Debate fine but the propaganda can stop.

That a good idea to increase blocksize at bitcoin core
but who will do it ?
where satosi nakamoto ?

the solution is bitcoin XT... I vote to bitcoin XT

Arguably the greatest threat to bitcoin is those who don't believe in Consensus and are willing to go against a consensus decision to maintain their own block chain, splitting bitcoin in half, doubling the 21 million limit, inflating bitcoin by 50%, making every bodies bitcoin much less valuable, and possibly destroying confidence in bitcoin's scarcity as a store of value, ultimately killing Bitcoin for everybody.

For all of the hate and animosity I see coming from the Anti-XT side of this debate, we should note that the greatest threat to bitcoin is those who will destroy bitcoin for everyone by not accepting a consensus decision.

OP is correct.

all this stupid XT madness start right after coinwallet.eu "testing", when everybody was surprised, how easy and cheap may be to paralyse bitcoin network and because it was quite unclear, how it will be with block size, something called XT gained popularity.

so yeah, it start with blocksize discussion and it may be end with the same stuff. so just increase the size, forget about chinese manipulators or some guy called Mike and lets continue with open-source idea..  

Conspiracy is a legal term, is it not?

If Mike and Gavin's plan was a secret, and also illegal, it would meet the qualifications for being deemed a conspiracy. That's what conspiracy means. So it's not a conspiracy at all.

That does not mean that XT is not an example of the Hegelian dialectic in action. Conspiracies and the Hegelian dialectic are separate concepts.

Hegelian dialectic runs the world, until a critical number of people understand that. It relies on deception.

100% agree. they are playing that mass whatever adoption card to destroy bitcoin within the inside.
the crowd's innocence, thinking bitcoin will save the world is that socialist card the system always play to fuck up everything.

I see your point. Most people that are pushing for XT are clueless and hey only see the blocksize selling point for XT, without all the downsides. So a bit of a raise in Core should come soon to keep those guys happy.

In a few months there may be dozens of alternate bitcoin forks and no one will be able to trust or understand half of them...bitcoin will be obfuscated the same way the alt scene has turned to a confusing infinite pile of shit coins.

it wouldnt be a split, simply a way for everyone to vote ( hashing with a specific version number) to see where everyone stands, and then poeple will change there votes to achieve consensus. let's face it bip 100..105 are all the same damn thing with a twist, which way do we go? why not let hashing power vote, it's ultimately come to that with XT, but its ugly business now.