Topic: This Is Our Last Chance to Protect Our Privacy Amid the COVID-19 Crisis (Read 614 times)

The learning start for really protecting your privacy.

Imagine that you have a job at a small Walmart store. One day when you come to work, the store manager calls everybody in to a meeting to inform them of new store policy. The new policy is that every WM associate must wear a gun, and must shoot at least 3 customers that day.

You have two choices:
1. Obey the store manager, and harm people;
2. Quit.

In the Nuremberg trials, where German Nazis were tried for war crimes, German commanders, etc., were found guilty of war crimes, even though they were under orders. In other words, commandants of concentration camps were found guilty of excessive force crimes, especially those that harmed or killed people without a real reason, and were executed for it.

In America with the Coronavirus threat, there doesn't seem to have been any court trial showing that CV is the threat that it is claimed to be. This means that all the media blab is hearsay. In fact, much info is coming out that shows anything from "official" numbers being blown way out of proportion, to the idea that the numbers are less than, say, 2017 and some other years.

The point is, police have no reason to enforce anything outside of what they normally enforce, except that they want to harm people in the same way the Nuremberg commandants were found guilty of.

How to protect from excessive force? All - 100% - of the police and other law enforcement officers out there are people - men/women. If any man/woman harms you or takes away your freedom for any non-reason at all, especially when their non-reason is hearsay, you have the right and duty to sue them and their bond (without which they can't act in government office at all).

But you have to know two things and use your head about these two things:
1. You must sue them. It won't happen automatically;
2. You must sue the man (not the police officer) for hindering you in your exercise of your life, just as you would sue your neighbor if he came over to your house and forced you to do anything.

The suit must involve monetary compensation for sure (his bond), and maybe prison time depending on the way he treated you.

If you haven't started, yet, one of the best places I know to start getting info about how to do it is right here - https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos. But you have to be a bit dedicated.

Understand that, because of our training in school, our mindset has been manipulated so that we don't understand what our rights really are, and where and how they are situated in life. Here is one of the best places to get a general idea, but it is over two hours long, and you will have to be committed to listening and thinking - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0GFK_5dQFk - or you might as well forget about freedom.

It dont really work when you leave that phone at home.  If you are infected you should stay at home and countries have inspectors to check that. You dont need any other surveillance tools while you already have them.

"Kushner’s team seeks national coronavirus surveillance system"

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/07/kushner-coronavirus-surveillance-174165

Swiss blockchain startup launches privacy testnet to resist NSA-level surveillance
https://cryptoslate.com/swiss-blockchain-startup-launches-privacy-testnet-to-resist-nsa-level-surveillance/

This is our last chance to guard our privacy within the COVID-19 crisis as there's no drug for the disease. that's why so as to stay our body healthy we'd like to take care of privacy and protect privacy Otherwise nobody are going to be shielded from the virus. the planet are going to be in additional crisis later.

As much as I am not the type that likes the government looking into my business and I like staying private in some ways, I still have to admit that this might be a good strategy to trace those that have these infections by knowing who they came across and things like that.

The world is in a very bad situation with this pandemic, just look at how we are all living now; we are all now staying doors and no longer living the kind of life that we were used to living before, no going outside because of fear. So, I will always be in support of whatever it takes to stop this virus from going further, it has destroyed the lives of many already.

Such a scenario is possible only if the coronavirus plunges the whole world into anarchy and kills 95% of the population. And even if this is so, the rest will not last long without centralized health care either. Therefore, you always need to remember the consequences before dreaming about something.

Agreed, it can be argued they were already doing it and the only thing that is changing now is that they are publicly admitting they can do it and that they will do it in order to curb the current crisis, but as some people have stated the problem begins when this crisis ends because governments always look for ways to keep those emergency powers and refuse to take a step back, we will have to see if after this crisis history repeats itself but I have very little doubt that will be the case.

@OP, my answer would be definitely not. I'd never want my children to be spied upon be it today or later some time for any reasons but I guess the global Government unity has got enough strength and power to stop us from even getting out of our doors during this pandemic. I truly understand the reasons behind stopping us through a lockdown and having us literally locked down in our homes and it also gave all of us an opportunity to spend some time with our family, but how many of us can remain home (without working if our jobs used to include a lot of manpower, kinda physical work) and let our family stay away from hunger? Even if you get out to buy grocery, you still get punished with a stick struck on your ass badly so to make you understand that we are all almost slaves of these Authorized Bodies which can control us any time they want, any way they want. I'd die rather than living my life that way if that's going to be the future of mine.

I think the solution to this is new internet, we all know that Data is the new oil and there is no way we can prevent government from wanting to control every aspect of our lives. 'People need to start accepting this as a norm because we are the one that sold ourselves cheap. When you use Google, Facebook and all these services free of charge, forgetting that there is no free food anyway, you pay with you data

Each person always has the opportunity to break their gadgets, throw away credit cards and get away from mass surveillance in the mountains / desert / under a different name of an inaccessible area, and live without using any means of such tracking. But as practice shows, for the most part, such fighters with the government are not able to do anything at all but write posts about surveillance on the Internet.

There is a limit to it of course. But we really can't guarantee they'd not cross that fence. There is no such thing about bank secrecy and not allowing them to search my house and detain me for whatever reason. They can always do whatever they want if they really will do it we've seen it happen before.

IF they say there is a threat and they are all bringing troops with them, I'd believe I'm gonna be in trouble if I get out or probably I will run away from them.

It seems to me that today there are a lot of unfounded accusations or statements that should not be made at a particular time when there is a global problem due to coronavirus.  I completely agree with you that the actions that governments take are very effective in containing and fighting the virus.  besides, it is necessary first of all to think about, And who else, if not the government, will carry out this work.  in the face of existing problems, people themselves will not be able to organize themselves to overcome the coronavirus without state assistance.

Let's admit it. Tracking have become a very helpful way of containing the virus because the government are able to easily find those people who had physical contact with each other as well as those who had contact with the same place of the infected person. I think that as soon as this crisis would end, the government would also stop this activity, because as we all know, people would want privacy as well as to protect their assests be it digitally or not. It will also backfire to them if there will be something like that.

Many people will wake up with this crisis, and at the end, centralized organisms will die, centralized controllers can't keep hurting people anymore, they already did a lot of damage in all different ways, It is time for the people to claim their privacy and power back! blockchain is one of those powerful tools in favor of humanity.

I value my privacy but this situation that we are currently facing is really alarming and the government needs to be on top of the game. Otherwise, many people will suffer and die. If you have nothing to hide, I guess you will agree with this kind of approach to tackle the situation efficiently and in faster way. If you are a good citizen, you will follow such protocol because it is for the benefit of the whole community. What Korea did is a systematic way to avoid wasted effort of finding those persons of interest. It will save tons of resources from the government's end.

So you support the government giving itself more rights. Is there a limit to this? They already have the power to detain you, serch your house, seize your belongings, take over your bank account, fine you, you're already like a slave and still want them to be able to do more? I don't get it.

Next time a government will say there's a threat when there's realy no threat and force you to stay indoors thanks to all these new acts and agreements.

I has to be done. There are just people who can't control themselves and walk out their doors and start playing basketball and betting and the likes. If they aren't going to be controlled, in few days these people are dead after spreading the corona to their kids. The goal is to stop corona virus from spreading, if they don't listen and sell the steetfood they cooked on the sidewalk the authorities might as well just shoot them before they can't infect others.

They are using this situation to force people into submission.

I read about countries trying to get rid of cash, make people stay at home and fining them for going out, even if they're healthy, which is like curfew.

Some countries in Europe are also trying to give more power to their police so that they can jail you much easier, even if you're not doing anything wrong but going where they don't want you or if they suspect you might be sick.

Yikes....that's not where the problem lies at all.  The problem is governments having way too much power, and technology is facilitating them spying on their citizens more than at any other time in history, and this all does frighten me. 

I don't dance around my house with no clothes on and the shades up so everyone can see.  I like my privacy even if I'm not doing anything wrong, and I hate that governments have so much power to monitor what people are doing--they're always going to come up with a reason why it's necessary, but we're all going to suffer the effects eventually.

Emergency powers.  You have to love it when you can just level up and do whatever the fuck you want with the snap of a finger.  You better believe they're not going to want to give that up once the emergency passes.