This Is Our Last Chance to Protect Our Privacy Amid the COVID-19 Crisis - page 2.

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Quote from: krach on March 26, 2020, 04:45:24 AM

"When governments seize emergency powers, they never give them up. Under the pretext of monitoring and tracking the spread of the disease, government mass surveillance via mobile phone tracking risks becoming normalized. Algorithmic bias now goes beyond academic studies as opaque algorithms can and will decide who can travel and work in places like China, and will no doubt soon decide who lives and who dies from the virus. Is this the world we want our children to inherit?"

https://cointelegraph.com/news/this-is-our-last-chance-to-protect-our-privacy-amid-the-covid-19-crisis

The pandemic made me rethink privacy issues as well. In my country, the measures are not that drastic yet (I mean people are advised to stay at home as much as possible but nobody tracks whether they actually do that), but it does have a negative impact on the spread of the disease as some people who are supposed to be on self-isolation because of being suspected or even having COVID-19 don't care and walk around freely. I am against human rights violations if it comes to censorship, abusing the usage of information that was taken from users under the pretense of protection or if violence is involved. However, if the data is truly used only to make sure that people who most definitely have to remain home don't do that, I now find it justified. Moreover, while a person can hold Bitcoin without any self-identification, one cannot really use it much without providing the ID one way or another.

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Quote from: davis196 on March 26, 2020, 07:45:09 AM

Tracking the location of your mobile device isn't dangerous for anyone.Hacking everyone's mobile device and gathering access to all the information and applications inside is the real danger here(and I doubt that it might happen).
Countries with a long democratic history in the western world can't turn into dictatorships that easy.
High tech solutions and algorithms can help for some aspects of the pandemic,but they are not a panacea.
By the way,mobile device tracking isn't effective at all.I don't ware my mobile device all the time.
If I leave my device at home,nobody can track my real location.

I would argue that knowing your home along with your identity and traveling habits (which could still be determined even if you don't bring your phone all the time) could be quite dangerous. I would suggest you check out The Great Hack on Netflix; it demonstrates how seemingly irrelevant data could be weaponized. One more thing to consider is that while the data exists, it could be mishandled and/or stolen.

Quote from: Ucy on March 27, 2020, 02:20:53 AM

It's actually dangerous if not done transparently and properly. I believe this things should be decentralized, private/anonymous, safe and transparent. Everyone should be involved in supervising one another to prevent abuse.
There will be problems If this get into the wrong hands or if those incharge turn evil.

Anonymity would defeat the purpose of contact tracing, and while fair, I don't think it's a good idea for everyone to have the ability to track everyone else.

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But somethings we complain are allowed in the constitution especially in a democratic country except if it is a country that is not democratic. These are ways of social control since people have given authority to the government to rule over them. Tracking devices have been around for long so it is not new.

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This has been practiced by many nations even prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. They have been monitoring us without our consent, and will be likely the norm in the future. Of course we don't want this, because as people we all do want to protect our privacy. But at this crisis? I think it will bring more good to us as it might help to contained those who are affected.

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Quote from: Questat on March 27, 2020, 07:09:29 AM

Our government would as much as possible wants to monitor its people, for them it's the best way to make the world a safe place to live.
However, if the government is corrupt, this is what gives us trouble as they know us and they can monitor us.

Emergence power is really required these days to fight this crisis, and we should not complain about this as it fights for the greater good. Privacy is a valuable thing but this becomes nothing when you're dead.
As long as they are using the power to track and restore the normal situation it would be good, but if these exceeds to what we really need now then that might be the time that we should speak out.

Quote from: Questat on March 27, 2020, 07:09:29 AM

I don't know if we can really have some privacy because our government is centralized, they on what they want to do to their people as long as it follows to the law they created.

Then what do you call to the social networking sites? do you also have privacy on those? are you sure about the terms and conditions you have checked during registration? lol. My point is it is better to keep of infos with the government to keep everyone on track of legal actions.

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Our government would as much as possible wants to monitor its people, for them it's the best way to make the world a safe place to live.
However, if the government is corrupt, this is what gives us trouble as they know us and they can monitor us.

I don't know if we can really have some privacy because our government is centralized, they on what they want to do to their people as long as it follows to the law they created.

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Quote from: davis196 on March 26, 2020, 07:45:09 AM

Quote from: krach on March 26, 2020, 04:45:24 AM

"When governments seize emergency powers, they never give them up. Under the pretext of monitoring and tracking the spread of the disease, government mass surveillance via mobile phone tracking risks becoming normalized. Algorithmic bias now goes beyond academic studies as opaque algorithms can and will decide who can travel and work in places like China, and will no doubt soon decide who lives and who dies from the virus. Is this the world we want our children to inherit?"

https://cointelegraph.com/news/this-is-our-last-chance-to-protect-our-privacy-amid-the-covid-19-crisis

Tracking the location of your mobile device isn't dangerous for anyone.Hacking everyone's mobile device and gathering access to all the information and applications inside is the real danger here(and I doubt that it might happen).
Countries with a long democratic history in the western world can't turn into dictatorships that easy.
High tech solutions and algorithms can help for some aspects of the pandemic,but they are not a panacea.
By the way,mobile device tracking isn't effective at all.I don't ware my mobile device all the time.
If I leave my device at home,nobody can track my real location.

It's actually dangerous if not done transparently and properly. I believe this things should be decentralized, private/anonymous, safe and transparent. Everyone should be involved in supervising one another to prevent abuse.
There will be problems If this get into the wrong hands or if those incharge turn evil.

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Quote from: Yogee on March 26, 2020, 05:16:34 AM

I think the problem with people nowadays is that they are too paranoid about government authorities getting emergency powers even if it's approved by their Congress or allowed in their Constitution . I don't know if that is the result of getting used to so much democracy. I think the emergency powers granted in times of crisis like COVID-19 has some restrictions to avoid authorities from abusing it.

While it is still early it is better to follow the rules and law of the government about the spreading of the virus because most of the people today are now staying at their homes and already bought a lot of foods and things they need like the mask and alcohol because the outbreak are still exists and also we are looking forward to the front and backlines that will still protect the economy on and also as a person it is better to stay at home enjoy with your family because of this and if you have a family member on the frontline always love them because we can tell until the virus are still gone.

Definitely, the government have a better plan for us and we should follow what government tell us to do. It is for the safety of every people to prevent ourselves to the virus and also slower the transmission of it from one person to another person. Emergency power is required during times like this, so that people will be disciplined and help the government overcome this crisis. Let's just support and help our government instead of saying something useless, say something that will not help for the greater good. Also take care of yourselves so that you will not get infected, because most of our frontliners are already tired and they also have families that are waiting for them to come home. Don't be stubborn, stop being against the government because our life is at risk. Simple rules and simple regulations, do not go outside, and isolate yourself if you experience some symptoms.

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Isn't it just like monitoring the countries you can and can't go depending on the current state of affairs at that time? If so, then I'm all up for it. Especially with how the example of China gave us where they unilaterally let residents of Wuhan travel all around the globe to seek refuge. Look at what that caused no? And you're putting the moves of the government way too deep. It's just to prevent the spread of the virus. Why did the matter of life and death even come up? I mean, you as a governing body would not want a virus to spread towards your own jurisdiction right? Sides, these answers come up because of the lack of strategy to upvote privacy. Yes, some are developing, but without it bringing an overall good effect towards the country, I doubt it could be a potential plus on the peoples books.

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I don’t see a problem tracking our mobile phones yet. As a general rule, such actions by the government are illegal and this already protects the privacy of citizens. If this is carried out, then it is in our own interests as a necessary measure. Of course, there are cases and abuse of this right by officials. We have the right to appeal such actions. However, in any case, we can refuse to use a mobile phone and the problem will be automatically solved.
Extraordinary powers can be introduced only for a strictly defined short time. In a democratic society, enough checks and balances are provided so as not to be afraid of usurpation of power by individuals or bodies.

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this is nothing new though, if anything this only proved that our privacy didn't exactly exist before either. the infrastructure to track people using their mobile phones was already in place and they were already doing it. the only thing that changed was that they flipped the switch to turn it from small scale (monitoring many) to massive scale (monitoring everyone). and all governments have been doing it without exceptions...

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Quote from: Yogee on March 26, 2020, 05:16:34 AM

I think the problem with people nowadays is that they are too paranoid about government authorities getting emergency powers even if it's approved by their Congress or allowed in their Constitution . I don't know if that is the result of getting used to so much democracy. I think the emergency powers granted in times of crisis like COVID-19 has some restrictions to avoid authorities from abusing it.

The problem of government seeking emergency powers didn't start at the people, it starts with the opposition. These people from the opposite party will do anything to make these emergency powers looks like a threat to the economy and society, when the sole purpose is to address the fast response from government decisions to contain the pandemic.
If tracking of phones to easily locate PUI's and PUM's to immediately contain the virus, so be it. That's 10x better than just disinfecting the whole place.

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Quote from: krach on March 26, 2020, 04:45:24 AM

"When governments seize emergency powers, they never give them up. Under the pretext of monitoring and tracking the spread of the disease, government mass surveillance via mobile phone tracking risks becoming normalized. Algorithmic bias now goes beyond academic studies as opaque algorithms can and will decide who can travel and work in places like China, and will no doubt soon decide who lives and who dies from the virus. Is this the world we want our children to inherit?"

https://cointelegraph.com/news/this-is-our-last-chance-to-protect-our-privacy-amid-the-covid-19-crisis

All also do not want this to happen, we as human beings are obliged to help others at least remain at home with the current situation, but this can also have positive and negative impacts for the sustainability of cryptocurrency in the future, because with this COVID-19 it is not impossible that the country will adopt a policy to legalize cryptocurrency in the country to inhibit the rate of weakening of their country's currency so that bitcoin can be an alternative too gold to stabilize the price of the currency. Always always maintain health because it is not impossible we are also threatened by this COVID-19 virus.

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Quote from: target on March 26, 2020, 05:00:22 AM

Tracking mobile phones in Korea worked to contain the virus though. They did it just when someone infected who was in the plane, they contact all those in the plane and let them isolate themselves. This is sort of a very effective to them. We might not like this survellance as we want privacy but this works in this kind of crisis.

For as long as the tracking is for the benefit of the people themselves and the larger society in general, I don't find this absolutely offensive and inexcusable. As much as we should be given the privacy that we need, I guess there is still some form and extent of tracking that is necessary in our growing society. Again, for as long as it is used in a good way and not to stifle opposition, limit freedom, pry unnecessarily on too personal affairs, and so forth.

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Quote from: davis196 on March 26, 2020, 07:45:09 AM

Quote from: krach on March 26, 2020, 04:45:24 AM

"When governments seize emergency powers, they never give them up. Under the pretext of monitoring and tracking the spread of the disease, government mass surveillance via mobile phone tracking risks becoming normalized. Algorithmic bias now goes beyond academic studies as opaque algorithms can and will decide who can travel and work in places like China, and will no doubt soon decide who lives and who dies from the virus. Is this the world we want our children to inherit?"

https://cointelegraph.com/news/this-is-our-last-chance-to-protect-our-privacy-amid-the-covid-19-crisis

Tracking the location of your mobile device isn't dangerous for anyone.Hacking everyone's mobile device and gathering access to all the information and applications inside is the real danger here(and I doubt that it might happen).
Countries with a long democratic history in the western world can't turn into dictatorships that easy.
High tech solutions and algorithms can help for some aspects of the pandemic,but they are not a panacea.
By the way,mobile device tracking isn't effective at all.I don't ware my mobile device all the time.
If I leave my device at home,nobody can track my real location.

Leaving mobile phones at home is one way to solve privacy but that would make you difficult to contact as well. So many crimes had been solved due to tracking mobile devices so weighing in whether which has more advantage many of us may prefer to be located. Unless of course if a person doesn't want to, he could always have a choice of just using untraceable ways.

Goverments are always doing the worse to control. We all know we cant escape it even for demo countries but we got used to it.

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Quote from: krach on March 26, 2020, 04:45:24 AM

"When governments seize emergency powers, they never give them up. Under the pretext of monitoring and tracking the spread of the disease, government mass surveillance via mobile phone tracking risks becoming normalized. Algorithmic bias now goes beyond academic studies as opaque algorithms can and will decide who can travel and work in places like China, and will no doubt soon decide who lives and who dies from the virus. Is this the world we want our children to inherit?"

https://cointelegraph.com/news/this-is-our-last-chance-to-protect-our-privacy-amid-the-covid-19-crisis

Tracking the location of your mobile device isn't dangerous for anyone.Hacking everyone's mobile device and gathering access to all the information and applications inside is the real danger here(and I doubt that it might happen).
Countries with a long democratic history in the western world can't turn into dictatorships that easy.
High tech solutions and algorithms can help for some aspects of the pandemic,but they are not a panacea.
By the way,mobile device tracking isn't effective at all.I don't ware my mobile device all the time.
If I leave my device at home,nobody can track my real location.

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Quote from: target on March 26, 2020, 05:00:22 AM

Tracking mobile phones in Korea worked to contain the virus though. They did it just when someone infected who was in the plane, they contact all those in the plane and let them isolate themselves. This is sort of a very effective to them. We might not like this survellance as we want privacy but this works in this kind of crisis.

Most countries have been tracking mobile phones for many years already, some were even using it to track protestors. But there's a threat that coronavirus will normalize this, that regular citizens will start supporting it and even developed countries known for their democracy and freedom will be more like China with its mass surveillance.

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You can have a privacy with your own private life some people still live with double/triple life even when all the surveillance of big brother. But amid the covid crisis, you ought to be traced and should be transparent because you register on a mobile network provider, your name is there and data can be useful for the country and the government.

You can have a life of a garbage truck driver for the eyes of the public but you can be a big crypto investor in a DEX that doesn't collect KYC, that's privacy.

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Quote from: target on March 26, 2020, 05:00:22 AM

Tracking mobile phones in Korea worked to contain the virus though. They did it just when someone infected who was in the plane, they contact all those in the plane and let them isolate themselves. This is sort of a very effective to them. We might not like this survellance as we want privacy but this works in this kind of crisis.

I think the tracking thing can be done in a safe way without exposing people to more dangerous risks. It should be very transparent, anonymous/private, safe/secure, immutable, trustless/permissionless, censorship resistant etc... Normally in societies, people who lose these good features/right are the dangerous ones, right?
Thankfully, real cryptocurrency have most/all of the features hardcoded or as a principle

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Quote from: Yogee on March 26, 2020, 05:16:34 AM

I think the problem with people nowadays is that they are too paranoid about government authorities getting emergency powers even if it's approved by their Congress or allowed in their Constitution . I don't know if that is the result of getting used to so much democracy. I think the emergency powers granted in times of crisis like COVID-19 has some restrictions to avoid authorities from abusing it.

While it is still early it is better to follow the rules and law of the government about the spreading of the virus because most of the people today are now staying at their homes and already bought a lot of foods and things they need like the mask and alcohol because the outbreak are still exists and also we are looking forward to the front and backlines that will still protect the economy on and also as a person it is better to stay at home enjoy with your family because of this and if you have a family member on the frontline always love them because we can tell until the virus are still gone.

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