THIS IS THE REAL MOREIA!! PLEASE HELP ME!!!! - page 6.

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Quote from: screwUdriver on January 01, 2015, 10:47:17 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 01, 2015, 10:38:16 PM

Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 08:50:47 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 01, 2015, 08:33:19 PM

Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.

On one of the many threads about this fiasco it was pointed out that the email was displayed publicly so someone could have hacked the email address that was displayed.

Is there proof of this?

I'm not sure what the exact communication between redsn0w and moreia was, but it appears moreia explicitly stated beforehand that the email was invalid and not under his control. Assuming redsn0w was not the one who set the account's email information to public, this is mostly moreia's fault. Anyone could have taken control of the account after he did this, even if redsn0w planned on changing the email in the future.

The proof is in this thread.

Quote from: theymos on January 01, 2015, 08:47:14 PM

Quote from: moreia_alt on January 01, 2015, 07:36:21 PM

I have figured it out
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password

This seems plausible.

For as long Moreia was in control of his own account, his security settings are his concern and his concern only. When an escrow is holding collateral it is their responsibility to keep the collateral secure while they are holding it. This includes changing certain settings that would cause it to be vulnerable to getting hacked.

That does not count as proof, it is in moreia's best interest to have said that because it clears him of all responsibility for what was posted on his account. As theymos said, it is a plausible explanation, but I would not take moreia's word as proof. Keep in mind that redsn0w claims that he did not set the email to public, nor was it public when he received the account:

Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 07:34:11 PM

Quote from: david123 on January 01, 2015, 07:32:26 PM

I just missed one part: How did redsn0w regain control over the acc?

The troll posted this : http://i.imgur.com/qABTCrH.jpg and I quickly changed the password , email & forum question.

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 01, 2015, 07:34:08 PM

was it publicly displayed?

Now yes , before I don't think it was visible.

Also, please have the decency to respond on your charlieSeen account, even if you want to farm activity on both of them.

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Quote from: MadZ on January 01, 2015, 10:38:16 PM

Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 08:50:47 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 01, 2015, 08:33:19 PM

Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.

On one of the many threads about this fiasco it was pointed out that the email was displayed publicly so someone could have hacked the email address that was displayed.

Is there proof of this?

I'm not sure what the exact communication between redsn0w and moreia was, but it appears moreia explicitly stated beforehand that the email was invalid and not under his control. Assuming redsn0w was not the one who set the account's email information to public, this is mostly moreia's fault. Anyone could have taken control of the account after he did this, even if redsn0w planned on changing the email in the future.

The proof is in this thread.

Quote from: theymos on January 01, 2015, 08:47:14 PM

Quote from: moreia_alt on January 01, 2015, 07:36:21 PM

I have figured it out
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password

This seems plausible.

For as long Moreia was in control of his own account, his security settings are his concern and his concern only. When an escrow is holding collateral it is their responsibility to keep the collateral secure while they are holding it. This includes changing certain settings that would cause it to be vulnerable to getting hacked.

MadZ

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Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 08:50:47 PM

Quote from: MadZ on January 01, 2015, 08:33:19 PM

Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.

On one of the many threads about this fiasco it was pointed out that the email was displayed publicly so someone could have hacked the email address that was displayed.

Is there proof of this?

I'm not sure what the exact communication between redsn0w and moreia was, but it appears moreia explicitly stated beforehand that the email was invalid and not under his control. Assuming redsn0w was not the one who set the account's email information to public, this is mostly moreia's fault. Anyone could have taken control of the account after he did this, even if redsn0w planned on changing the email in the future.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 01, 2015, 09:37:47 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 01, 2015, 09:28:25 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM

it was a mistake to make the email public and you should never be posting or messaging from an account under escrow IMO.

I disagree. Change the email to a general escrow mailbox so that everyone can see the account is in escrow.

You can only have one account associated with a specific email address. You can change the personal message/signature to reflect the status of the account

In addition, using an email address under the control of the escrower is a safety mechanism in case the new password is forgotten , mistyped, or otherwise lost.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 01, 2015, 09:37:47 PM

Quote from: Vod on January 01, 2015, 09:28:25 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM

it was a mistake to make the email public and you should never be posting or messaging from an account under escrow IMO.

I disagree. Change the email to a general escrow mailbox so that everyone can see the account is in escrow.

You can only have one account associated with a specific email address. You can change the personal message/signature to reflect the status of the account

i think this is pretty good solution!

nobody is perfect and if redsnow learns from it he will be a better escrow then before.

a happy new year everyone Wink

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Quote from: Vod on January 01, 2015, 09:28:25 PM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM

it was a mistake to make the email public and you should never be posting or messaging from an account under escrow IMO.

I disagree. Change the email to a general escrow mailbox so that everyone can see the account is in escrow.

You can only have one account associated with a specific email address. You can change the personal message/signature to reflect the status of the account

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM

it was a mistake to make the email public and you should never be posting or messaging from an account under escrow IMO.

I disagree. Change the email to a general escrow mailbox so that everyone can see the account is in escrow.

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#Free market

Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 09:17:04 PM

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That is exactly my point. That is 5 topics that reflect badly on you (you would probably make it 6 if you controlled the account that created this thread). Each of the threads had a different discussion so it would not be possible to participate in each of those discussions and stay on topic in this one thread.

It is not your job to stop spam posts, if someone posts spam in any of those threads you can report it and it will get deleted.

Having only one thread that reflects poorly on you is much less damaging then having two threads, each additional thread that makes you look bad hurts your reputation more then the prior one.

Like I said before you should leave them unlocked and let whoever ends up with control of the account after the loan is done to decide if they stay open or not

The prevention is better , however now I should go offline now. Thanks again for the opinion , you can always don't post (you're not obligated to do it).

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Hopefully U learned from this experience! As an professional escrow provider, u know ur reputation will be easily ruined by any simple mistake!

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 09:10:52 PM

Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 09:05:41 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 08:55:03 PM

@charlieSeen , now what do you want ? Thanks to the community we have fixed my mistake , but the troll (maybe someone hate me or something like that) made me this epic trolling.

I'm not censoring no one, you can write whatever you want. I've locked those other topic for prevent the spam, useless post etc....

You locked specific threads that reflected poorly on you/made you look bad. From my point of view you are trying to prevent people from bumping those threads so it will be more difficult for people to see what kind of job you did in this case.

The mistake was resolved because whoever was trolling, just so happened to publicly display their password when it got banned and because the people whose trust feedback carries any weight are reasonable

I locked this topics:

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/moreia-04-08btc-needed-10-15-interest-7-days-2-options-final-phases-909632
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/error-910686
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/error-910833
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-demand-redsn0w-be-removed-from-default-trust-910711
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/error-910999

Only for prevent the spam and useless post , here you can write whatever you want (don't worry ,at least stay "on topic"). In this case I forgot to hide the email (or better to change it ).

That is exactly my point. That is 5 topics that reflect badly on you (you would probably make it 6 if you controlled the account that created this thread). Each of the threads had a different discussion so it would not be possible to participate in each of those discussions and stay on topic in this one thread.

It is not your job to stop spam posts, if someone posts spam in any of those threads you can report it and it will get deleted.

Having only one thread that reflects poorly on you is much less damaging then having two threads, each additional thread that makes you look bad hurts your reputation more then the prior one.

Like I said before you should leave them unlocked and let whoever ends up with control of the account after the loan is done to decide if they stay open or not

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#Free market

Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 09:05:41 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 08:55:03 PM

@charlieSeen , now what do you want ? Thanks to the community we have fixed my mistake , but the troll (maybe someone hate me or something like that) made me this epic trolling.

I'm not censoring no one, you can write whatever you want. I've locked those other topic for prevent the spam, useless post etc....

You locked specific threads that reflected poorly on you/made you look bad. From my point of view you are trying to prevent people from bumping those threads so it will be more difficult for people to see what kind of job you did in this case.

I locked this topics:

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/moreia-04-08btc-needed-10-15-interest-7-days-2-options-final-phases-909632
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/error-910686
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/error-910833
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/i-demand-redsn0w-be-removed-from-default-trust-910711
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/error-910999

Only for prevent the spam and useless post , here you can write whatever you want (don't worry ,at least stay "on topic"). In this case I forgot to hide the email (or better to change it) and some one made all this epic trolling.

Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 09:05:41 PM

The mistake was resolved because whoever was trolling, just so happened to publicly display their password when it got banned and because the people whose trust feedback carries any weight are reasonable

Yes I've signed a message from my address and they removed the negative feedback and after I've contacted BadBear and ask him to unBan the moreia's forum account. With the help of the community and of the troll (password) everything is back to the normal.

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At least now everything seems be sorted out! Let's wait until the end. If real Moreia repay the loan back, then we will be clear about everything!

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 08:55:03 PM

@charlieSeen , now what do you want ? Thanks to the community we have fixed my mistake , but the troll (maybe someone hate me or something like that) made me this epic trolling.

I'm not censoring no one, you can write whatever you want. I've locked those other topic for prevent the spam, useless post etc....

You locked specific threads that reflected poorly on you/made you look bad. From my point of view you are trying to prevent people from bumping those threads so it will be more difficult for people to see what kind of job you did in this case.

The mistake was resolved because whoever was trolling, just so happened to publicly display their password when it got banned and because the people whose trust feedback carries any weight are reasonable

EDIT: I think you should leave the threads unlocked and allow whoever gets the account after the term of the loan expires to decide what happens to the threads/posts

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#Free market

@charlieSeen , now what do you want ? Thanks to the community we have fixed my mistake , but the troll (maybe someone hate me or something like that) made me this epic trolling.

I'm not censoring no one, you can write whatever you want. I've locked those other topics for prevent the spam, useless post etc....

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on January 01, 2015, 08:54:00 PM

it was a mistake to make the email public and you should never be posting or messaging from an account under escrow IMO.

I only quoted the post with the repayment address as I always do and the troll make my really trouble.

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it was a mistake to make the email public and you should never be posting or messaging from an account under escrow IMO.

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Quote from: MadZ on January 01, 2015, 08:33:19 PM

Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.

On one of the many threads about this fiasco it was pointed out that the email was displayed publicly so someone could have hacked the email address that was displayed.

It looks like that redsn0w is censoring people criticizing his work in this situation by locking all the threads that are discussing this situation. I would think that most escrows would not do anything with accounts while they are holding them.

Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 08:42:46 PM

Thanks for the opinion , I logged from tor for demonstrate to one of the two admin that I'm logged from that precisely IP. Maybe I could use a vpn , but for a question of rapidity I chose tor.

If you wanted to prove that you controlled the other account with IP evidence then you would log into the account with the same IP address.

Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 08:42:46 PM

As I told before , that is the first time that I didn't change also the email , only because I've seen the random letters and I don't remember if it was public or not.

Is the fact that an email address is public or not tracked (@badbear), if it can be verified that it was public (or if this is not tracked) then it is plausible some third party was behind this, if it can be verified that it was not public then the culprit was defiantly either moreia or you and you logged into the account the exact same way the person who was trolling logged in

Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 08:42:46 PM

I'm think I'm sufficient competent, because I'm learning from my mistake/forgetfulness; but someone make me really trouble. Thanks again to the community.

If you are still learning then you are not competent (by definition). As mentioned above it is concerning that you are posting from an account you are controlling via escrow and effectively censoring criticism of your work

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Quote from: moreia_alt on January 01, 2015, 07:36:21 PM

I have figured it out
Last escrow, you switched email privacy to Public to show the account was in escrow
I changed the email to random characters, someone on this forum saw it and tried to recover the account by registering the email and recovering the password

This seems plausible.

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#Free market

Quote from: charlieSeen on January 01, 2015, 08:37:27 PM

Since redsn0w locked the other thread I figure I will post this here

Quote from: BadBear

Well, what I do know.

IPs during the incident, after the loan, were different (Tor).
moreia_alt's IPs do match moreia's.
Whoever is logged into moreia's account currently is also using Tor (odd).

I'll leave the speculating for others.

I think it is somewhat suspicious that redsn0w logged into moreia's account via tor. I am not really sure why he would do that.

I do think this entire situation proves that redsn0w is not sufficiently competent to be handling escrow services and lacks the required judgment that people on default trust list should have

Thanks for the opinion , I logged from tor for demonstrate to one of the two admin that I'm logged from that precisely IP. Maybe I could use a vpn , but for a question of rapidity I chose tor.

As I told before , that is the first time that I didn't change also the email , only because I've seen the random letters and I don't remember if it was public or not.

I'm think I'm sufficient competent, because I'm learning from my mistake/forgetfulness; but someone make me really trouble. Thanks again to the community.

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Since redsn0w locked the other thread I figure I will post this here

Quote from: BadBear

Well, what I do know.

IPs during the incident, after the loan, were different (Tor).
moreia_alt's IPs do match moreia's.
Whoever is logged into moreia's account currently is also using Tor (odd).

I'll leave the speculating for others.

I think it is somewhat suspicious that redsn0w logged into moreia's account via tor. I am not really sure why he would do that.

I do think this entire situation proves that redsn0w is not sufficiently competent to be handling escrow services and lacks the required judgment that people on default trust list should have

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Am I the only one who finds it extremely unlikely that Moreia just happened to randomly attach an email to his account that someone related to Bitcointalk happened to own? Assuming it wasn't posted publicly, unless I'm missing something, the only two people who should have had access to the email name are Moreia and redsn0w. Are people really believing that some random third party was the culprit here? Come on.

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