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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on January 02, 2015, 09:49:21 AM

Quote from: PistolPete on January 02, 2015, 09:48:11 AM

The negative feedback is harsh as he has stopped providing escrow from his main account. Keep a look out for one of his alts to start providing escrow.

Which ALT are you talking about? Link to the account please.

~~MZ~~

He's probably just speaking in general terms and being presumptuous and doesn't know of any of his alts but just saying to keep an eye out for them. I don't think he'll be rushing to start a new escrow any time soon anyway and he'd be better just waiting a while and trying again on his current account if he was going to do so.

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Quote from: PistolPete on January 02, 2015, 09:48:11 AM

If you want to provide negative feedback to anybody, do it to Canary. The default trust power went to his head and he started the taunting after that.

So I can't stop the impostors and send them a pm to move ? amazing , I thought the impostors are not welcome here. I leave only the feedback to the impostors and the newbie ( registered here ) onty to request a loan without a collateral.

Quote from: PistolPete on January 02, 2015, 09:48:11 AM

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The negative feedback is harsh as he has stopped providing escrow from his main account. Keep a look out for one of his alts to start providing escrow.

I don't have alt-account , this is only the one.

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Quote from: PistolPete on January 02, 2015, 09:48:11 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 09:35:09 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 02, 2015, 08:55:25 AM

As for who, who knows. I'm not going to reveal specifics about pms I've seen in reports here, but I will say it's not wise to taunt scammers when you leave them negative feedback. It's disrespectful, and a good way to make enemies.

I am sure that a lot (or at least some) of the people that receive negative trust is a result of a misunderstanding and may not truly be trying to scam. If this is the case then taunting after giving negative trust means that you are taunting someone who is trying to operate legitimately.

Imo that behavior is very unprofessional and reflects very poorly on him.

The negative feedback is harsh as he has stopped providing escrow from his main account. Keep a look out for one of his alts to start providing escrow.

Which ALT are you talking about? Link to the account please.

~~MZ~~

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 09:35:09 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 02, 2015, 08:55:25 AM

As for who, who knows. I'm not going to reveal specifics about pms I've seen in reports here, but I will say it's not wise to taunt scammers when you leave them negative feedback. It's disrespectful, and a good way to make enemies.

I am sure that a lot (or at least some) of the people that receive negative trust is a result of a misunderstanding and may not truly be trying to scam. If this is the case then taunting after giving negative trust means that you are taunting someone who is trying to operate legitimately.

Imo that behavior is very unprofessional and reflects very poorly on him.

The negative feedback is harsh as he has stopped providing escrow from his main account. Keep a look out for one of his alts to start providing escrow.

If you want to provide negative feedback to anybody, do it to Canary. The default trust power went to his head and he started the taunting after that.

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 07:08:04 PM

Quote from: Sumerian on January 01, 2015, 07:03:02 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on January 01, 2015, 06:59:38 PM

Quote from: Sumerian on January 01, 2015, 06:58:05 PM

It's Redsn0w's fault he didn't change the email yes, but you do understand that not a lot of people trust you as you are moriea's alt account? I think the best thing to do right now is to wait it out as you can't repay early. Redsn0w has to fix the problem with moirea's trust and if you don't repay Redsn0w will hand over the account to the person that loaned to you. This is the best solution in my opinion.

Again ...

read the post above yours.

I read it correctly. I'm pointing out you did not change the email, that was your mistake. But I'm also saying, in order to solve all the problems, Moriea should repay (in a week if that's needed) and you should fix the account.

It is not my mistake , because he told that it was a random letters so the email wasn't valid ( I didn't change it) but someone has recovered the account through it. So at the end the email is valid , and it is not mine because I didn't change it.

U are the escrow u lost account its ur fault.
Doesnt matter what he said its ur job to take care of account if u lost it then u are responsible.
What should happen now is 1st u put 0.8 to escrow until moreia gets his account from you

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 09:30:34 AM

he said numerous times that the mistake was unintentional when he was asked if he was going to repay out of his own pocket. This leads me to believe that he was not planning on paying out of my own pocket. The situation was resolved quickly enough so that it didn't need to come to that

Well he may or may not have done the right thing in that situation but I guess we'll never know now. Luckily for everyone involved really. Regardless, redsnow's rep is somewhat tarnished and your feedback can stay if you so wish it to be. That's your call.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 09:35:09 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 02, 2015, 08:55:25 AM

As for who, who knows. I'm not going to reveal specifics about pms I've seen in reports here, but I will say it's not wise to taunt scammers when you leave them negative feedback. It's disrespectful, and a good way to make enemies.

I am sure that a lot (or at least some) of the people that receive negative trust is a result of a misunderstanding and may not truly be trying to scam. If this is the case then taunting after giving negative trust means that you are taunting someone who is trying to operate legitimately.

Imo that behavior is very unprofessional and reflects very poorly on him.

I've sent only the pm to the impostors , check my sent feedback. In my opinion you are trying to argue with me , but you can't make a valid conversation.

An example :

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/stellarfaondatiom-408037 I think this is an impostor .
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/stellar0rg-407961 also him.

- https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fedsn0w-407925 discovered also " fedsn0w" ....

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Quote from: BadBear on January 02, 2015, 08:55:25 AM

As for who, who knows. I'm not going to reveal specifics about pms I've seen in reports here, but I will say it's not wise to taunt scammers when you leave them negative feedback. It's disrespectful, and a good way to make enemies.

I am sure that a lot (or at least some) of the people that receive negative trust is a result of a misunderstanding and may not truly be trying to scam. If this is the case then taunting after giving negative trust means that you are taunting someone who is trying to operate legitimately.

Imo that behavior is very unprofessional and reflects very poorly on him.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 09:30:34 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 09:27:47 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 08:31:57 AM

yes he was probably lying about giving an incorrect address but it doesn't matter. The only reason this situation was resolved was because badbear bailed him out. It is because of BadBear that both parties wil not face a total loss. I don't think it is appropriate for his reputation to be unscathed in this case

But we don't know how redsnow would've acted because of that. He may or may not have returned the funds out of his own pocket. Had he done the same as segvec then yes negative feedback would be justified. It's arguable as to whether his reputation is unscathed. He has a trusted neutral warning and a red from Eal and you and many people will now not trust him, but most of all he's stopped offering the service which was the right thing to do.

he said numerous times that the mistake was unintentional when he was asked if he was going to repay out of his own pocket. This leads me to believe that he was not planning on paying out of my own pocket. The situation was resolved quickly enough so that it didn't need to come to that

Yes I said that the mistake was unintentional , I didn't told nothing for the question of the loan repaying. Now can you please remove the negative trust , as hilariousandco I will not provide anymore my escrow service here in the forum.

You can believe whatever you want , but you don't have any certainty.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 09:27:47 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 08:31:57 AM

yes he was probably lying about giving an incorrect address but it doesn't matter. The only reason this situation was resolved was because badbear bailed him out. It is because of BadBear that both parties wil not face a total loss. I don't think it is appropriate for his reputation to be unscathed in this case

But we don't know how redsnow would've acted because of that. He may or may not have returned the funds out of his own pocket. Had he done the same as segvec then yes negative feedback would be justified. It's arguable as to whether his reputation is unscathed. He has a trusted neutral warning and a red from Eal and you and many people will now not trust him, but most of all he's stopped offering the service which was the right thing to do.

he said numerous times that the mistake was unintentional when he was asked if he was going to repay out of his own pocket. This leads me to believe that he was not planning on paying out of my own pocket. The situation was resolved quickly enough so that it didn't need to come to that

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 08:31:57 AM

yes he was probably lying about giving an incorrect address but it doesn't matter. The only reason this situation was resolved was because badbear bailed him out. It is because of BadBear that both parties wil not face a total loss. I don't think it is appropriate for his reputation to be unscathed in this case

But we don't know how redsnow would've acted because of that. He may or may not have returned the funds out of his own pocket. Had he done the same as segvec then yes negative feedback would be justified. It's arguable as to whether his reputation is unscathed. He has a trusted neutral warning and a red from Eal and you and many people will now not trust him, but most of all he's stopped offering the service which was the right thing to do.

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Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 09:10:20 AM

you did not tell anyone to repay to a specific address but in other cases you do tell people to send funds to a specific address (like in signature campaigns and in actual trades).

No , im my escrow service the seller send me item ( altcoin , digital goods , account , etc..) when I have received it I will tell to the buyer:

Pay the seller to the address that him wrote you in this conversation.

When the buyer has paid I will release the item to him (buyer).

I've neverd told to one of the parts , send the funds here or there ( only in the past ICO , or signature campaign funds).

Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 09:10:20 AM

Let me ask you this: if I were selling you 10 btc for $3,300 and I send 10 btc to an address that you tell me to send to but mistakenly the address belongs to someone else would you still give me the $3,300 even though you effectively have not received any Bitcoin?

Yes in this case I must repay you , but you are still not providing a valid example.

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@escrow

Find a way to return back his account. (If you haven't, yet.)
Proceed with the deal/agreement like nothing happened. - In this case you're responsible for both parties. Talking about losses.
Re think of your business strategy. (You cannot change terms on your own as an escrow. Talking about how you handled EBS.)
Don't pay attention to the trolls. There will be always trolls.
Don't pay attention to the trolls. There will be always trolls.
Don't pay attention to the trolls. There will be always trolls.

You did a mistake. It's normal. Everyone does mistakes. That's what makes us humans and teaches us not to repeat the same mistakes.

PS: I don't think that you deserve negative trust for that mistake, but yeah, it's a forum with all kind of people.

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 02, 2015, 08:35:54 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 08:31:57 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 08:26:29 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 08:18:23 AM

I would say a negative trust is much more appropiate. His lack of a willingness to accept personal responsibility in this situation shows that he is not willing to cover any mistakes that he makes. He implied that he was not going to reimburse the lender for his loan (Moreia would almost certainly not repay his loan if his collateral is gone). P

I dunno. Negative seems too harsh so neutral would be more appropriate, but BadBear removed his feedback and Redsnow did the right thing by ceasing his escrow services anyway.

this demonstrates that if he gives an address to send payment to that he doesn't control he will treat it as if payment was not received. If I am sending first to him and he makes this kind of mistake then I am out however much I just sent.

This is essentially what happened with shbcv (?) in the currency exchange section when he gave someone an incorrect address and the person who sent funds to be out 14 btc

I've never told to the users "repay to this address" , I've only took the account in collateral and all the information were in the main thread. My mistake was to quote ( and don't hide the email address , or better change it) the post with the repayment address.

*Your is not a valid example*

Now I'm waiting the conclusion of the loan and I will give back the account to moreia , @Quickseller can you please remove the negative feedback :

I admitted my first mistake and I will not provide anymore my escrow service here.

you did not tell anyone to repay to a specific address but in other cases you do tell people to send funds to a specific address (like in signature campaigns and in actual trades).

Let me ask you this: if I were selling you 10 btc for $3,300 and I send 10 btc to an address that you tell me to send to but mistakenly the address belongs to someone else would you still give me the $3,300 even though you effectively have not received any Bitcoin?

Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 08:47:06 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on January 02, 2015, 08:31:57 AM

this demonstrates that if he gives an address to send payment to that he doesn't control he will treat it as if payment was not received. If I am sending first to him and he makes this kind of mistake then I am out however much I just sent.

This is essentially what happened with segvec in the currency exchange section when he gave someone an incorrect address and the person who sent funds to be out 14 btc

Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/segvec-conned-me-out-of-1409-btc-896143

It's comparable and you can draw comparisons but it's a different case. Also, segvec is probably lying though he should've paid back for his error either way and so should redsnow had it come to that. Luckily this situation got sorted so no one was out of pocket but it could've been worse and redsnow was lucky in that respect and has gotton off lightly and relatively unscathed.

yes he was probably lying about giving an incorrect address but it doesn't matter. The only reason this situation was resolved was because badbear bailed him out. It is because of BadBear that both parties wil not face a total loss. I don't think it is appropriate for his reputation to be unscathed in this case

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Quote from: Magic8Ball on January 02, 2015, 08:58:42 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 08:50:06 AM

Who's a global mod?

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 08:50:06 AM

And I assumed the email here was random, but because of that randomness someone exploited it and created it themselves to reset the password (unless I'm mistaken. This is the problem with using fake/made-up but easily created email addresses).

I highly doubt that, how would a third party know the made up address?

Because redsnow apparently posted proof that included the email from the looks of it. If this wasn't the case and it was just down to forgetting to remove the email suspicion should be cast on the original creator of it.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 02, 2015, 09:03:39 AM

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Why do you not read what people are saying to you? I didn't say it's wrong to leave them negative feedback (look at my sent feedback), I said it's dumb to send them pms taunting them about it

Oh sorry, I know it is not necessary but I tried to stop them so I sent them a pm ( I know it was not necessary , but I tried).

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 02, 2015, 09:00:20 AM

Quote from: BadBear on January 02, 2015, 08:55:25 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on January 02, 2015, 08:22:21 AM

I told I don't have an answer - not " I didn't want to repay it everything went wrong".

People need to have faith in you, first and foremost. Your answer should always be, yes I will cover any losses incurred with my escrow service. Any answer other than that and you shouldn't be running an escrow service, and that's the reason you got the reaction you've gotten.

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Now I know it was my mistake , the thing that *I still didn't know* is : who did all this epic trolling.

It doesn't matter whose mistake it was, what matters is that it was your responsibility. Your first duty is to your customers, not finding out who made you look bad. Yeah you got trolled, but it's your (in)actions people have a problem with. The issue wasn't with the mistake, it was the way you handled it after the fact.

As for who, who knows. I'm not going to reveal specifics about pms I've seen in reports here, but I will say it's not wise to taunt scammers when you leave them negative feedback. It's disrespectful, and a good way to make enemies.

Every 30 min I refresh this page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0;desc and if I see someone trying to make as impostor I leave them negative feedback.

Maybe someone of them has tried to ruin my reputation but is wrong to leave them a negative feedback ? They surely tried ( trying) to scam the other users with their impostor nicknames.

Quote from: Magic8Ball on January 02, 2015, 08:58:42 AM

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I highly doubt that, how would a third party know the made up address?

I didn't remember if the email was public or hide , but surely the troll have seen it from the ultimate quote in the moreia's loan thread. So I think it was public.

Why do you not read what people are saying to you? I didn't say it's wrong to leave them negative feedback (look at my sent feedback), I said it's dumb to send them pms taunting them about it.

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Quote from: BadBear on January 02, 2015, 08:55:25 AM

Quote from: redsn0w on January 02, 2015, 08:22:21 AM

I told I don't have an answer - not " I didn't want to repay it everything went wrong".

People need to have faith in you, first and foremost. Your answer should always be, yes I will cover any losses incurred with my escrow service. Any answer other than that and you shouldn't be running an escrow service, and that's the reason you got the reaction you've gotten.

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Now I know it was my mistake , the thing that *I still didn't know* is : who did all this epic trolling.

It doesn't matter whose mistake it was, what matters is that it was your responsibility. Your first duty is to your customers, not finding out who made you look bad. Yeah you got trolled, but it's your (in)actions people have a problem with. The issue wasn't with the mistake, it was the way you handled it after the fact.

As for who, who knows. I'm not going to reveal specifics about pms I've seen in reports here, but I will say it's not wise to taunt scammers when you leave them negative feedback. It's disrespectful, and a good way to make enemies.

Every 30 min I refresh this page https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0;desc and if I see someone trying to make as impostor I leave him negative feedback.

Maybe someone of them has tried to ruin my reputation but is wrong to leave them a negative feedback ? They surely tried ( trying) to scam the other users with their impostor nicknames.

Quote from: Magic8Ball on January 02, 2015, 08:58:42 AM

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I highly doubt that, how would a third party know the made up address?

I didn't remember if the email was public or hide , but surely the troll have seen it from the ultimate quote in the moreia's loan thread. So I think it was public.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 08:50:06 AM

Who's a global mod?

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Quote from: hilariousandco on January 02, 2015, 08:50:06 AM

And I assumed the email here was random, but because of that randomness someone exploited it and created it themselves to reset the password (unless I'm mistaken. This is the problem with using fake/made-up but easily created email addresses).

I highly doubt that, how would a third party know the made up address?

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Quote from: redsn0w on January 02, 2015, 08:22:21 AM

I told I don't have an answer - not " I didn't want to repay it everything went wrong".

People need to have faith in you, first and foremost. Your answer should always be, yes I will cover any losses incurred with my escrow service. Any answer other than that and you shouldn't be running an escrow service, and that's the reason you got the reaction you've gotten.

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Now I know it was my mistake , the thing that *I still didn't know* is : who did all this epic trolling.

It doesn't matter whose mistake it was, what matters is that it was your responsibility. Your first duty is to your customers, not finding out who made you look bad. Yeah you got trolled, but it's your (in)actions people have a problem with. The issue wasn't with the mistake, it was the way you handled it after the fact.

As for who, who knows. I'm not going to reveal specifics about pms I've seen in reports here, but I will say it's not wise to taunt scammers when you leave them negative feedback. It's disrespectful, and a good way to make enemies.

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