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Quote from: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 09:03:04 AM

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

see dunbar number. Tongue

And? I'm not a communist.

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Quote from: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 08:59:34 AM

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

see dunbar number. Tongue

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and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

What does the size of the society have to do with it?

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and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

can you read dude? is it more clear to you what i wrote now?

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Quote from: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 08:47:28 AM

Quote from: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 08:40:46 AM

whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

So what does that say about you?

I only fail at empathy, i can still see what people are feeling(after alot of training and hard work) and react on that. but yes, i have a psychopathic trait.

But there are alot more to psychopaths then just the lack of empathy, they can't feel guilt either.

You've yet to express any guilt over your parasitic actions yet.

thats because i(and most of the society around me) don't see them as parasitic.

So, you're delusional, instead of psychotic? That doesn't improve your case much.

first, psychotic is not the same as psychopathic, go look it up.

My apologies, delusional instead of psycopathic. Still doesn't improve your case much.

Quote from: myrkul on May 04, 2013, 08:47:28 AM

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

Society is required before you can have a state, ergo of course it can exist without one. In fact, a State is a parasitic entity, itself. A rather devious one, as it takes over processes that the society would normally be able to handle itself.

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Quote from: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 08:40:46 AM

Quote from: kokjo on May 04, 2013, 08:40:46 AM

whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

So what does that say about you?

I only fail at empathy, i can still see what people are feeling(after alot of training and hard work) and react on that. but yes, i have a psychopathic trait.

But there are alot more to psychopaths then just the lack of empathy, they can't feel guilt either.

You've yet to express any guilt over your parasitic actions yet.

thats because i(and most of the society around me) don't see them as parasitic.

So, you're delusional, instead of psychotic? That doesn't improve your case much.

first, psychotic is not the same as psychopathic, go look it up.

and who are you to say that im delusional? you believe that a large society can exist without a state. dream on dude.

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whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

So what does that say about you?

I only fail at empathy, i can still see what people are feeling(after alot of training and hard work) and react on that. but yes, i have a psychopathic trait.

But there are alot more to psychopaths then just the lack of empathy, they can't feel guilt either.

You've yet to express any guilt over your parasitic actions yet.

thats because i(and most of the society around me) don't see them as parasitic.

So, you're delusional, instead of psychotic? That doesn't improve your case much.

kokjo

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whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

So what does that say about you?

I only fail at empathy, i can still see what people are feeling(after alot of training and hard work) and react on that. but yes, i have a psychopathic trait.

But there are alot more to psychopaths then just the lack of empathy, they can't feel guilt either.

You've yet to express any guilt over your parasitic actions yet.

thats because i(and most of the society around me) don't see them as parasitic.

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whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

So what does that say about you?

I only fail at empathy, i can still see what people are feeling(after alot of training and hard work) and react on that. but yes, i have a psychopathic trait.

But there are alot more to psychopaths then just the lack of empathy, they can't feel guilt either.

You've yet to express any guilt over your parasitic actions yet.

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

So what does that say about you?

I only fail at empathy, i can still see what people are feeling(after alot of training and hard work) and react on that. but yes, i have a psychopathic trait.

But there are alot more to psychopaths then just the lack of empathy, they can't feel guilt either.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 03, 2013, 04:43:28 PM

whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

So what does that say about you?

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So now I'm curious: can empathy be taught, or must someone be equipped with it from day one? Is it an emotion, or a principle? Must we choose to be empathetic, or do we not have a choice but to be empathetic/unempathetic?

empathy is the ability to feel or share what others feel, and react on it. it can not be taught.
sympathy is that ability to see what other feels, and react on it. it can be taught(does the person smile? yes: the person is happy. no: the person is unhappy).

whatever you react on empathy/sympathy is you own choice, but failure to react on it is psychopathic.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 03, 2013, 04:43:28 PM

So now I'm curious: can empathy be taught, or must someone be equipped with it from day one? Is it an emotion, or a principle? Must we choose to be empathetic, or do we not have a choice but to be empathetic/unempathetic?

I would say biology and evolution would answer your question. Look at the interactions of social species (of which we are one), such as wolves, and through our own history. Despite living in packs and being tribal, with brutal fights against other packs over food and territories, there's a lot of social support and empathy among social creatures. I think it's the lack of empathy that gets taught.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 03, 2013, 04:43:28 PM

So now I'm curious: can empathy be taught, or must someone be equipped with it from day one? Is it an emotion, or a principle? Must we choose to be empathetic, or do we not have a choice but to be empathetic/unempathetic?

There's a small minority of people who are incapable of it.

But in general, there are a lot of miserable people in society and they more often than not tend to get into positions where they can make other people's lives miserable. Misery loves company.

If you are a happy person who generally enjoys life why would you make other people's lives difficult? If there is someone who is making your life difficult, it is because they are unhappy with their own life and consciously or unconsciously think that making people less happy than them will make them happy. It never does but they never stop trying.

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Quote from: Mike Christ on May 03, 2013, 04:43:28 PM

So now I'm curious: can empathy be taught, or must someone be equipped with it from day one? Is it an emotion, or a principle? Must we choose to be empathetic, or do we not have a choice but to be empathetic/unempathetic?

I think that there is certain minority of people who are evil, then there is large majority who are neutral, don't care or are easily led. And then we have small small minority who are truly good.

And usually this evil minority gains most power and can use the majority and as such everyone loses.

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So now I'm curious: can empathy be taught, or must someone be equipped with it from day one? Is it an emotion, or a principle? Must we choose to be empathetic, or do we not have a choice but to be empathetic/unempathetic?

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Quote from: myrkul on May 03, 2013, 10:30:53 AM

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Read it again, genius. We're talking about a particular physical object. This is not IP. If anyone is trying to muddy the waters, it is you.

Fuck you, I've had enough of this thread and your arrogant An-Cap preaching. Good bye.

If I have learned anything of debate, it is that when one side resorts to profanity in lieu of an argument, they are conceding defeat. I graciously accept your surrender. Have a nice day.

Actually, you fired the first shot with your "genius" comment, so whatever, you smug asshole.

See if I ever pay you a compliment again. Sheesh.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 03, 2013, 10:30:53 AM

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Read it again, genius. We're talking about a particular physical object. This is not IP. If anyone is trying to muddy the waters, it is you.

Fuck you, I've had enough of this thread and your arrogant An-Cap preaching. Good bye.

If I have learned anything of debate, it is that when one side resorts to profanity in lieu of an argument, they are conceding defeat. I graciously accept your surrender. Have a nice day.

Actually, you fired the first shot with your "genius" comment, so whatever, you smug asshole. If you want to 'win' by default, then you're conceding that you have failed to defend An-Cap in debate. I'm just sick of debating your illogical bullshit -- you never have any new material, it's always the same old bullshit that got debunked last week or last month.

I love how you keep slinging this "illogical bullshit" accusations, while still failing to grasp the fact that you can't change definitions of words on a whim just to win arguments. Roll Eyes

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Say there's a piece of forested land surrounding an Indian tribal village. The tribe lives under a theocracy. The forest belongs to their 'god'. They use the forest for hunting for food, and they rely on it for preventing floods during the rainy season.

An Anarcho-Capitalist doesn't believe in any of that theocracy crap. Since the tribe doesn't 'own' the forest, he thinks he can legitimately "homestead" it. I.e.: harvest the trees, divide the land into arbitrary blocks on a map, and sell them to developers. So he brings in the chainsaws -- oh no! The Indians are brutally attacking his workers for no reason! Obviously they are very aggressive and evil...

As for the tribe, The AnCap would see their communal possession and use as de facto ownership, via original appropriation (ie, they've already homesteaded it), even if they're just "caretakers" for their "god". As such, they'd leave the forest be, since it's already occupied land, they can't homestead it. Original appropriation kinda requires that you're the original appropriator. Wink

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Quote from: myrkul on May 03, 2013, 10:23:28 AM