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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

*sigh* Would it make sense to go through a thought experiment to see what the likely scenario would be, and whether there would actually be more violence? Or would thinking things through be too much of a waste of time for you?

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Quote from: kokjo on May 12, 2013, 01:46:00 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 01:29:29 PM

You actually think that NAP would lead to more violence? Under AnCap, you would be dead, so for folk like you, who lie, and are willing to kill or attack others for profit, yes, AnCap is less secure.

eat or be eaten.

AnCap society is extremely dangerous to bullies like you, you wouldn't even be an appetizer compared to the bullies that would be outed and forced into labor, or killed.

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Quote from: kokjo on May 12, 2013, 01:46:00 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 01:29:29 PM

You actually think that NAP would lead to more violence? Under AnCap, you would be dead, so for folk like you, who lie, and are willing to kill or attack others for profit, yes, AnCap is less secure.

eat or be eaten.

That's the law of the jungle, not of civilized society.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 01:29:29 PM

You actually think that NAP would lead to more violence? Under AnCap, you would be dead, so for folk like you, who lie, and are willing to kill or attack others for profit, yes, AnCap is less secure.

eat or be eaten.

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Quote from: kokjo on May 12, 2013, 01:13:07 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 12:41:16 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

Um... What?

You still don't understand AnCap, do you?

He has no desire to understand. I posted a link to the .pdf for "The Machinery of Freedom", and he replied that he refused to read my capitalist propaganda.
Funny that, we've both no doubt read Marx and Mao; we have no problems reading socialist dogma, but the socialists won't read our material. I think that's a telling fact.

I have understood AnCap and the NAP. and i have found it to be less secure then statism.

You actually think that NAP would lead to more violence? Under AnCap, you would be dead, so for folk like you, who lie, and are willing to kill or attack others for profit, yes, AnCap is less secure.

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Quote from: kokjo on May 12, 2013, 01:13:07 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 12:41:16 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

Um... What?

You still don't understand AnCap, do you?

He has no desire to understand. I posted a link to the .pdf for "The Machinery of Freedom", and he replied that he refused to read my capitalist propaganda.
Funny that, we've both no doubt read Marx and Mao; we have no problems reading socialist dogma, but the socialists won't read our material. I think that's a telling fact.

I have understood AnCap and the NAP.

Clearly you have not, since you said this:

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 12:41:16 PM

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

Um... What?

You still don't understand AnCap, do you?

He has no desire to understand. I posted a link to the .pdf for "The Machinery of Freedom", and he replied that he refused to read my capitalist propaganda.
Funny that, we've both no doubt read Marx and Mao; we have no problems reading socialist dogma, but the socialists won't read our material. I think that's a telling fact.

I have understood AnCap and the NAP. and i have found it to be less secure then statism.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 12:41:16 PM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

Um... What?

You still don't understand AnCap, do you?

He has no desire to understand. I posted a link to the .pdf for "The Machinery of Freedom", and he replied that he refused to read my capitalist propaganda.
Funny that, we've both no doubt read Marx and Mao; we have no problems reading socialist dogma, but the socialists won't read our material. I think that's a telling fact.

Well, god forbid they read something that might actually change their mind!

Never read Mao, but I have read Marx, as well as Proudhon.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

Um... What?

You still don't understand AnCap, do you?

He has no desire to understand. I posted a link to the .pdf for "The Machinery of Freedom", and he replied that he refused to read my capitalist propaganda.
Funny that, we've both no doubt read Marx and Mao; we have no problems reading socialist dogma, but the socialists won't read our material. I think that's a telling fact.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:48:29 AM

You may find this amusing:
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=6841

I LOL'd.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

in AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

Um... What?

You still don't understand AnCap, do you?

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Quote from: myrkul on May 12, 2013, 11:41:12 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

Yup.

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:37:11 AM

To be fair, that was in Norway.

Another country where people can "Survive without touching" a gun.
Well, except the 70-odd people he killed.

True.

You may find this amusing:
http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=6841

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

i AnCap there would more violence because there is no force(police, government) trying to make it more profitable to behave peacefully.

AnCap would, as any other society, be under the law of natural selection. In a AnCap society it would be the strongest(most guns and ammo) who is the most fittest... in a statist society it would be the smartest.

im more smart then strong, i choose the statist society.

(and you are stupid!)

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:37:11 AM

Quote from: myrkul on May 12, 2013, 11:32:19 AM

How'd that work out for Anders Breivik?

To be fair, that was in Norway.

and the dude was crazy too. but then again he did accomplished what he wanted, he believed that the benefits was grater then the costs(him and his course, not his victims).

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:36:17 AM

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

Yup.

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:37:11 AM

To be fair, that was in Norway.

Another country where people can "Survive without touching" a gun.
Well, except the 70-odd people he killed.

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Quote from: myrkul on May 12, 2013, 11:32:19 AM

Quote from: kokjo on May 12, 2013, 11:25:43 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:19:10 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:06:57 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 10:49:38 AM

He's a Dane, and has probably never touched a gun, much less fired one.

and im proud of living in a society that ables me to survive without touching one.

gun nuts!

Such dishonesty! The Assault rate in Denmark is 17% higher than in the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Denmark/United-States/

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People victimized by assault (as a % of the total population). Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevelence.

in other words, people in Denmark believe in the authority of the police, while USA is afraid of it.

People other than you, who would make unprovoked attacks for profit.

of course i do that! who would not? survival of the fittest, you know?
in most cases of course it would be way to risky to do that because of the police. there are just higher costs then benefits to going around killing people.

but if it is best solution(chance of survival, profit, other benefits...) for me: sure, kill them all!

How'd that work out for Anders Breivik?

To be fair, that was in Norway.

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Quote from: kokjo on May 12, 2013, 11:25:43 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:19:10 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:06:57 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 10:49:38 AM

He's a Dane, and has probably never touched a gun, much less fired one.

and im proud of living in a society that ables me to survive without touching one.

gun nuts!

Such dishonesty! The Assault rate in Denmark is 17% higher than in the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Denmark/United-States/

Quote

People victimized by assault (as a % of the total population). Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevelence.

in other words, people in Denmark believe in the authority of the police, while USA is afraid of it.

People other than you, who would make unprovoked attacks for profit.

of course i do that! who would not? survival of the fittest, you know?
in most cases of course it would be way to risky to do that because of the police. there are just higher costs then benefits to going around killing people.

but if it is best solution(chance of survival, profit, other benefits...) for me: sure, kill them all!

So, we've established that you are a liar, and have no issues with mugging folk, armed robbery and murder for profit. No wonder you hate AnCap so much, you'd be dead in short order.

kokjo

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:32:51 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:06:57 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 10:49:38 AM

He's a Dane, and has probably never touched a gun, much less fired one.

and im proud of living in a society that ables me to survive without touching one.

gun nuts!

Such dishonesty! The Assault rate in Denmark is 17% higher than in the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Denmark/United-States/

Quote

People victimized by assault (as a % of the total population). Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevelence.

in other words, people in Denmark believe in the authority of the police, while USA is afraid of it.

You just can't post without telling another lie, can you?

25% more in USA believe in police efficiency than in Denmark.

True(according the these numbers). But the quote is still valid.

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Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:06:57 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 10:49:38 AM

He's a Dane, and has probably never touched a gun, much less fired one.

and im proud of living in a society that ables me to survive without touching one.

gun nuts!

Such dishonesty! The Assault rate in Denmark is 17% higher than in the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Denmark/United-States/

Quote

People victimized by assault (as a % of the total population). Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevelence.

in other words, people in Denmark believe in the authority of the police, while USA is afraid of it.

You just can't post without telling another lie, can you?

25% more in USA believe in police efficiency than in Denmark.

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Quote from: kokjo on May 12, 2013, 11:25:43 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:19:10 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:06:57 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 10:49:38 AM

He's a Dane, and has probably never touched a gun, much less fired one.

and im proud of living in a society that ables me to survive without touching one.

gun nuts!

Such dishonesty! The Assault rate in Denmark is 17% higher than in the USA.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Denmark/United-States/

Quote

People victimized by assault (as a % of the total population). Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevelence.

in other words, people in Denmark believe in the authority of the police, while USA is afraid of it.

People other than you, who would make unprovoked attacks for profit.

of course i do that! who would not? survival of the fittest, you know?
in most cases of course it would be way to risky to do that because of the police. there are just higher costs then benefits to going around killing people.

but if it is best solution(chance of survival, profit, other benefits...) for me: sure, kill them all!

How'd that work out for Anders Breivik?

kokjo

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You are WRONG!

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:19:10 AM

Quote from: FreedomEqualsRiches on May 12, 2013, 11:06:57 AM