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No problems, your solution is perfect, scrap the most innovative crypto in history with the largest anon community and marketcap just to appease a small minority of trolls...

Actually, it is just bitcoin with coinjoin on top. Blockchain.info has implemented this feature long before.

*snore* Wake me up when you have actually traced a Darksend transaction from sender to reciever. Anybody (trolls included) can post wall of text.
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I would clone DRK and relaunch it clean the way we did with Monero.

The monero launch was anything but clean.

Where is the info about the crippled monero miner and the secret optimized miner for insiders?
how much monero was premined? why did they lie about the amount of premined coins?
do the cryptonote nsa origins and fake white paper worry you?
did y'all ever figure out how to put together a official gui wallet? how long did monero go without a gui wallet? will bloating be an even bigger issue when people actually start using the gui wallet? how do you propose solving the monero inflation problem?


I did not see it on the wiki...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#Controversy_and_criticism

"The monero launch was anything but clean."  This has been my exact thought the whole time reading this but I have not wanted to add to the DRK vs XMR off topic ranting going on here. 

What happened to the original devs? Why did they leave?
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Correct, I'd recommend moving on to another coin that doesn't have the baggage, and I do recommend that when people ask me.

I'm not a fan of the whole idea of masternodes, nor a fan of PoS coins, so the tech has nothing to interest me, but if I were I would clone DRK and relaunch it clean the way we did with Monero.



I wasn't gonna post in this thread until I saw this, as I like both DRK and XMR. The CPU miner that you all released on launch was de-optimized to 100x less than its optimized speed. Either maliciousness, incompetence, or negligence from being in a hurry to get launched. In any way, XMR was NOT a fair launch by any means.
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I think it's clear who hired this clown to prove something that he doesn't understand how works ..
legendary
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I would clone DRK and relaunch it clean the way we did with Monero.

The monero launch was anything but clean.

False.

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Where is the info about the crippled monero miner and the secret optimized miner for insiders?

The Monero insiders had nothing to do with the crippled miner, it came from bytecoin and it was Monero who fixed it, but more to the point it didn't affect the supply at all. Unless you were around during the first month or two it doesn't affect you in the slightest. Someone was going to mine those coins in a few months (roughly 5% percent of the total supply, just as planned) after all.

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how much monero was premined? why did they lie about the amount of premined coins?

There was no premise at all, and no lying about it. WTF, I have no idea where you got that from?

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do the cryptonote nsa origins and fake white paper worry you?

No, the NSA troll was a joke on a on paid a "news" web site and the fake white paper doesn't worry me at all because we are well aware of the bytecoin/cryptonote scammers. That's why Monero was created in the first place, otherwise we would just be using bytecoin.

Still off topic. Not clear at all how any of this is relevant to DRK and its problems.
legendary
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Actually, it is just bitcoin with coinjoin on top. Blockchain.info has implemented this feature long before.

legendary
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For those interested, I have created another thread self moderated by me that will document the discussion in here regarding DRK privacy technology.
hero member
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No problems, your solution is perfect, scrap the most innovative crypto in history with the largest anon community and marketcap just to appease a small minority of trolls...

Actually, it is just bitcoin with coinjoin on top. Blockchain.info has implemented this feature long before.
So you don't understand coinjoin nor darksend  Roll Eyes
legendary
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I would clone DRK and relaunch it clean the way we did with Monero.

The monero launch was anything but clean.

Where is the info about the crippled monero miner and the secret optimized miner for insiders?
how much monero was premined? why did they lie about the amount of premined coins?
do the cryptonote nsa origins and fake white paper worry you?
did y'all ever figure out how to put together a official gui wallet? how long did monero go without a gui wallet? will bloating be an even bigger issue when people actually start using the gui wallet? how do you propose solving the monero inflation problem?


I did not see it on the wiki...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryptoNote#Controversy_and_criticism
legendary
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No problems, your solution is perfect, scrap the most innovative crypto in history with the largest anon community and marketcap just to appease a small minority of trolls...

Actually, it is just bitcoin with coinjoin on top. Blockchain.info has implemented this feature long before.

Now you just made yourself look even dumber and how little you actually know about DRK. Thanks
legendary
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Yes with more than 2 Million DRK mined in few days by the dev and maybe some of his friend, he have money and time to continue the scam.
And seems the guys like you enjoy and feed that scam. Then why he should stop the fraud?

If the dev really had millions of coins and was out to fraud people, he would've exited in the Big Pump last year. But strangely he's still around working hard.

Nobody knows what the he did or didn't do. For all we know he sold say 1/3 of his coins at a nice profit, but wants more, or was very greedy and held on for higher prices until it was too late to sell, or indeed possibly the only reason there was such a big pump at all was because he didn't sell (much).

As outsiders there is just no way to know, and the better choice is to find something cleaner. There is no shortage of choices (though somewhat of a shortage of clean ones unfortunately).
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Those who don't favor that are putting their holdings (which likely benefited directly or indirectly from the instamine) ahead of the given the tech the best chance to succeed unencumbered by a foundation of incompetence and/or fraud.






It's incredibly easy to pump a coin when you control the great majority of the total supply.

What an awful insinuations
legendary
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legendary
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Sure there might be other problems, but not that one.

What is the concrete problem DRK is having (in addition to constant trolling) now or in the future that is a direct result of the unfortunate launch?

Perpetual criticism that it is the fruit of a poison tree. Meaning either incompetence or fraud, and both are indeed poison to outsiders who dislike both and are structurally unable to distinguish them.

That does not mean zero success, but it will be an unnecessary burden to bear, and that's a tough obstacle in a brutally competitive market.

hero member
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Yes with more than 2 Million DRK mined in few days by the dev and maybe some of his friend, he have money and time to continue the scam.
And seems the guys like you enjoy and feed that scam. Then why he should stop the fraud?

If the dev really had millions of coins and was out to fraud people, he would've exited in the Big Pump last year. But strangely he's still around working hard.

Btw, are you one of those people who think the devs should work for nothing and the speculators should get to be rich?
legendary
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It wasnt exactly as you put it and Evans explanation was accepted by the community.

It was clearly not accepted by the entire community otherwise no one would still be criticizing it.

I can tell you with certainty that I'm part of the crytpcurrency community and my opinion is that anyone who likes the DRK technology and wants to see it thrive should just relaunch it clean. Those who don't favor that are putting their holdings (which likely benefited directly or indirectly from the instamine) ahead of the given the tech the best chance to succeed unencumbered by a foundation of incompetence and/or fraud.


No problems, your solution is perfect, scrap the most innovative crypto in history with the largest anon community and marketcap just to appease a small minority of trolls - Im glad you are in the Monero camp and have no associations with DRK, please keep doing what you are doing at Monero.  Roll Eyes

Im going to be launching DarkMonero soon, its a clean relaunch of Monero because I feel that Monero's launch wasnt fair and that its inflation is hurting investors, if Monero is going to thrive I feel as though it needs to be relaunched cleanly to ensure investors are not putting their investment at risk.
legendary
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Then tell me how your FUD campaign on XMR wasn't a inside job to crash the market so you can buy off all your cheap coins?
Looks like its Phase 2 in Monero Pump the shit out of it and look for people to dump on... Look these stupid darkcoin people can be dumped on.

I followed lots of Bitcoiners and their Scams, XMR is not a exception...

Nobody controls the supply of XMR, its still being mined at a furious rate. If anything one can argue (snd some did quite loudly) that too much mining is why the price is too low, but as fluffypony explained earlier we are not going to change the reward schedule or try to lock up millions of coins with PoS in order to pump the price. We'll let things play out as they will in the market.

Somewhat OT though, as this thread is about DRK, not XMR. Fairly interesting though, that criticism of something about DRK which is acknowledged by most (including illodin) to be worthy of criticism results in criticism of another coin. As if that fixes things?

hero member
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Sure there might be other problems, but not that one.

What is the concrete problem DRK is having (in addition to constant trolling) now or in the future that is a direct result of the unfortunate launch?
legendary
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It's incredibly easy to pump a coin when you control the great majority of the total supply.

So why couldn't the SDC whales pump SDC then?

Perhaps they are fools, are disorganized, or perhaps they don't quite control quite enough of it. Or all of the above.

EDIT: Or maybe they are indeed successfully pumping it and their fair value would be more like $1 than $300K. A factor of 300000 from manipulation is nothing to sneeze at.
hero member
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It's incredibly easy to pump a coin when you control the great majority of the total supply.

So why couldn't the SDC whales pump SDC then?
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