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legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Hello? There are at least 5 usable wallets. Its something that is being quite adequately addressed by third parties so we've reduced its priority in favor of focusing on the core....

Are there any vids of these wallets in operation? I think that would go along way on this front.
legendary
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So then why would a developer purposely change their coin's emission rate on their own accord, as well as the total coin supply?(Which is what Darkcoin's developer did several times). The very "social contract" has been violated, since the coin's parameters have been severely changed after conception. That means Darkcoin is not a decentralized cryptocurrency, but a centralized pennystock.

I think you are missing some key elements of history where the community has debated these issues in the DRK-thread / DRK-forum or participated in off-DRK-thread polls by eduffield, for issues regarding inflation / emission, total number of coins, fixing initial distribution through an airdrop of new coins, masternode payments etc.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/darkcoin-reward-schedule-vote-525093
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/darkcoin-airdrop-cancelled-559932

(I think there are a couple of threads like this around btctalk and darkcointalk).

Thus you make it sound quite dictatorial, in a sense, when things are not at all like this.
legendary
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yeah, market discussion in these threads drives me bonkers. By these lines of reason paycoin is still a winner!
legendary
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It's also rather lame that you continue to respond to criticism of DRK not on its merits but by attacking another coin

What you've promoted are not "criticisms" they're simply person preferences - a very different thing.

A valid technical "criticism" is where you point out areas that the project doesn't meet it's design specifications or market priorities - not *your* design specifications or priorities.

I said criticisms, not technical criticisms. I have both.

As for design goals, it is stated quite clearly that darkcoin aims to allow you to remain anonymous. It is not stated that it allows you remain anonymous as long as masternodes aren't spying on you or themselves being spied upon, something which can never be verified, and can't rationally be blindly trusted.

I criticize this as technically weak, at such a fundamental and profound level such that it makes the entire core mission of the system a sham.

If you want throw meaningful anonymity overboard and focus on things like market cap, API compatibility with BTC, etc. be my guest, but as far as I know the stated core mission still includes anonymity.

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That's what's disingenuous of your entire repertoire here and the only reason it came to my attention was because of your blatant arrogance over other aspects such as your dismissal of the dev's competence and nonsense about "fake marketcaps".

LOL, nice way to dismiss the fact that both enormous concentration of ownership (likely but difficult to prove) and blatant manipulation of supply in the form of enormously cut to available new supply (which has inarguably occurred), a) matter, b) can affect market cap, and c) make the whole thing look like some kind of penny stock joke.

Really I don't think any of the market caps matter very much though, as they are all trivially small. We'll see what happens if and when that isn't the case.
legendary
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The Monero team should really focus on developing their coin, rather than being envious of others.  I said around 4 months ago that I'll put money into Monero the second I see a coin that I can actually use (Stable database+GUI). How much longer must I wait?

https://getmonero.org/home

check the latest news.

glad we're all on topic.
legendary
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It's also rather lame that you continue to respond to criticism of DRK not on its merits but by attacking another coin

What you've promoted are not "criticisms" they're simply person preferences - a very different thing.

A valid technical "criticism" is where you point out areas that the project doesn't meet it's design specifications or market priorities - not *your* design specifications or priorities.

You've never even indicated that you remotely understand what Darkcoin's design goals were because otherwise you'd have realised that your so called "critiscisms" are actually where it is succeeding.

That's what's disingenuous of your entire repertoire here and the only reason it came to my attention was because of your blatant arrogance over other aspects such as your dismissal of the dev's competence and nonsense about "fake marketcaps".
legendary
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If another project comes along that has masternodes (at least for anonymity; using masternodes for something else might be fine) but no instamine and no blatant supply manipulation, I'll just criticize it on technical grounds alone, and likewise for the reverse.

Well if another project comes along without devs who can't get a useable wallet released in 8 months but still want to claim technical superiority, who don't need to scrape the barrel with allegations of "supply manipulation" to justify marketcaps, who can distinctly articulate monetary and technical design priorities and who don't need to malign their peers to justify their own existence, I'm sure I'll just criticise it on technical grounds as well  Wink

Hello? There are at least 5 usable wallets. Its something that is being quite adequately addressed by third parties so we've reduced its priority in favor of focusing on the core.

Other than trolling the wallet issue is a non-issue in practice. It's also rather lame that you continue to respond to criticism of DRK not on its merits but by attacking another coin. It would be as if someone criticized XMR for the blockchain being too big (a valid potential criticism) and our response was to say that someone else has an instamine. It's nonsense both ways.
legendary
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If another project comes along that has masternodes (at least for anonymity; using masternodes for something else might be fine) but no instamine and no blatant supply manipulation, I'll just criticize it on technical grounds alone, and likewise for the reverse.

Well if another project comes along without devs who can't get a useable wallet released in 8 months but still want to claim technical superiority, who don't need to scrape the barrel with allegations of "supply manipulation" to justify marketcaps, who can distinctly articulate monetary and technical design priorities and who don't need to malign their peers to justify their own existence, I'm sure I'll just criticise it on technical grounds as well  Wink
legendary
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No. Your in the opposite business - of trying to throw as much mud as possible at a perfectly good competing project and hoping that some of it sticks simply because you've got a personal bone with their technical approach and the fact that it's popular.

That would be what I was doing, if I saw it as a "perfect good" project, but I don't, both on the basis of competence and/or integrity, and also technical grounds. Your opinion and mine are equally valid though, so people can make up their own minds. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla.

If another project comes along that has masternodes (at least for anonymity; using masternodes for something else might be fine) but no instamine and no blatant supply manipulation, I'll just criticize it on technical grounds alone, and likewise for the reverse.
hero member
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The Monero team should really focus on developing their coin, rather than being envious of others.  I said around 4 months ago that I'll put money into Monero the second I see a coin that I can actually use (Stable database+GUI). How much longer must I wait?
legendary
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We're not in the business of trying to pump up the coin at all.


No. Your in the opposite business - of trying to throw as much mud as possible at a perfectly good competing project and hoping that some of it sticks simply because you've got a personal bone with their technical approach and the fact that it's popular.

The irony of all this is that their technical approach perfectly suits their design objectives and your technical approach perfectly suits yours so your sense of discomfort is completely unneccesary. There is no conflict but you don't appear to have an articulated enough understanding of the relative monetary and technical priorities to appreciate that.
hero member
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So basically what this thread boils down to is, someone thought they found an issue with Darksend, but now say the original issue isn't what they thought it was and are coming at it from a different angle, and everything else since then is people who have no stake in DRK or plan on ever having a stake bitching that people got too many coins in the beggining? Satoshi has a million BTC, nobody gives a fuck, a few others also have a good number and the world keeps turning.

A mistake was made and corrected. Good work has been done. People have been shouting scam from day one and nothing has changed, the market is doing its thing and will continue to do so. Why waste all this energy? Use it to do something useful.

History is being made and all you guys want to do is fight. Why not fucking work together for a change so we can get crypto out to the world faster? We sure as fuck need it out there.

I've made a copy of the thread with only the Evil Knieval (alleged exploit finder) & Ed Duffy (DRK Developer) primary conversation in the opening post.

IMO, its still open. Evil Knieval claims he's making a darkcoin deanonymizing blockchain explorer, and there's current 2 BTC bounty for it, and Knieval has offered 1 BTC counter bounty.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/drk-copy-of-evil-knievels-darkcoin-is-not-anonymous-moderated-for-clarity-979315

I'd rather a bounty was put up to hack the new MN blinding version currently on testnet.
legendary
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So basically what this thread boils down to is, someone thought they found an issue with Darksend, but now say the original issue isn't what they thought it was and are coming at it from a different angle, and everything else since then is people who have no stake in DRK or plan on ever having a stake bitching that people got too many coins in the beggining? Satoshi has a million BTC, nobody gives a fuck, a few others also have a good number and the world keeps turning.

A mistake was made and corrected. Good work has been done. People have been shouting scam from day one and nothing has changed, the market is doing its thing and will continue to do so. Why waste all this energy? Use it to do something useful.

History is being made and all you guys want to do is fight. Why not fucking work together for a change so we can get crypto out to the world faster? We sure as fuck need it out there.

I've made a copy of the thread with only the Evil Knieval (alleged exploit finder) & Ed Duffy (DRK Developer) primary conversation in the opening post.

IMO, its still open. Evil Knieval claims he's making a darkcoin deanonymizing blockchain explorer, and there's current 2 BTC bounty for it, and Knieval has offered 1 BTC counter bounty.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/drk-copy-of-evil-knievels-darkcoin-is-not-anonymous-moderated-for-clarity-979315

hero member
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What matters is whether the coin will retain its value, or even increase in value, and what you can do with it. If someone else has more than you doesn't affect on how valuable it is to you. Might affect the jelly factor for some though as people in crypto have the highest sense of entitlement I've seen anywhere.

I'm gonna have to give up for today as I need to get some sleep. This relentless nitpicking on non-concrete issues is making me sort of understand why the Monero development is going so slow though.
legendary
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As I explained earlier the (essentially fake imo) market cap is easily explainable by most of the supply being controlled by insiders. With enough control of existing supply, reduction of new supply, redirecting new supply from mining to existing holders via PoS masternodes, etc., you can make the price and therefore "reported" market cap anything they want.

You must think we're complete idiots. You're arrogant enough to malign both the dev and the entire market anyway so I wouldn't put it past you.

You might be surprised to find that I actually hold quite some Monero (it's not exactly expensive) but every time you post on here I feel increasingly that it's an un-neccessary hedge because that project looks like going exactly nowhere.


Well this thread has devolved anyway, so might as well.....

the monero project is going as fast as a coin can go when the devs don't have an instamine stash Smiley (oh snap, he said it!)

look, the instamine, if its real or not, whatever. So a handful of people are going to get filthy rich if DRK goes "to the moon". I'm not a fan of the approach, but I understand the "bootstrapping" as it were. I understand it, I don't agree with it. Now, whether the privacy tech actually holds water is a different story. If DRK privacy tech fails + instamine.... well then..... those two ingredients make a whole different type of cake.
legendary
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History is being made and all you guys want to do is fight. Why not fucking work together for a change so we can get crypto out to the world faster? We sure as fuck need it out there.

I'll agree with you on that. I'd in fact like to see DRK succeed rather than having nothing succeed I suppose, but frankly the DRK technology scares me to some extent because it is NSA PRISM 2.0 in my opinion. I'd rather see something, anything, without "nodes" succeed, whether I have a stake in it or not.



full member
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So basically what this thread boils down to is, someone thought they found an issue with Darksend, but now say the original issue isn't what they thought it was and are coming at it from a different angle, and everything else since then is people who have no stake in DRK or plan on ever having a stake bitching that people got too many coins in the beggining? Satoshi has a million BTC, nobody gives a fuck, a few others also have a good number and the world keeps turning.

A mistake was made and corrected. Good work has been done. People have been shouting scam from day one and nothing has changed, the market is doing its thing and will continue to do so. Why waste all this energy? Use it to do something useful.

History is being made and all you guys want to do is fight. Why not fucking work together for a change so we can get crypto out to the world faster? We sure as fuck need it out there.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198


As I explained earlier the (essentially fake imo) market cap is easily explainable by most of the supply being controlled by insiders. With enough control of existing supply, reduction of new supply, redirecting new supply from mining to existing holders via PoS masternodes, etc., you can make the price and therefore "reported" market cap anything they want.

You must think we're all complete idiots. You're arrogant enough to malign both the dev and the entire market anyway so I wouldn't put it past you.

I don't know who is an idiot, who is crazy, and who is crazy like a fox. It is quite hard to tell. You are denying that controlling supply can push up the price?

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You might be surprised to find that I actually hold quite some Monero (it's not exactly expensive) but every time you post on here I feel increasingly that it's an un-neccessary hedge because that project looks like going exactly nowhere.

Nice troll there, and if you want to dump, please do. We're not in the business of trying to pump up the coin at all.

Too bad your comments bear no actual resemblance to the development work being done, but I wouldn't expect anything else from DRK supporters.
legendary
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As I explained earlier the (essentially fake imo) market cap is easily explainable by most of the supply being controlled by insiders. With enough control of existing supply, reduction of new supply, redirecting new supply from mining to existing holders via PoS masternodes, etc., you can make the price and therefore "reported" market cap anything they want.

You must think we're complete idiots. You're arrogant enough to malign both the dev and the entire market anyway so I wouldn't put it past you.

You might be surprised to find that I actually hold quite some Monero (it's not exactly expensive) but every time you post on here I feel increasingly that it's an un-neccessary hedge because that project looks like going exactly nowhere.
legendary
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There was no premise at all, and no lying about it. WTF, I have no idea where you got that from?



I thought monero was premined, i get all the shitcoins confused. Seems like i saw it was like 2+% premined. Maybe it was another anon shitcoin but pretty sure it was monero. I'll find it.

"Pretty sure" = "dead wrong" in this case.


Yeah i could not find it searching for "monero premine". I think what they were talking about was the crippled miner and they added it all up to like 2.6% of the coin that was "unfair mined". Most coins including bitcoin have issues with premine, instamine or unfair mining in the beginning. I can't think of any coins that don't have some kind of mining issue so 2+% is not a big deal imo.
Are you saying you never heard that and don't know the statistic i'm talking about? You might as well come clean because i will find it. It was in one of the main monero threads.

Yes i'm well aware of the optimized miner (and I'm also pretty sure that 100% of coins have optimized hardware/software miners at any given time). I don't think its the same thing as a premise or instamine at all. They mined say 2.5% of the coins over several months at a cost of probably hundreds of thousands of dollars, and apparently made a profit in that area by selling them. Good for them.
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