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jr. member
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Fuck the system.
I've Merited you because you don't look like a spammer and thus shouldn't be restricted by Merit. However, you're "multiposting" a lot, so please stop that: use the edit button instead of making many posts on a row if you want to respond to many posts and you're the last one who posted in the thread.
I suggest you read Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ.

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense Smiley

Yes i know about the multiposting sorry for that one..

Well the "business plan" is to make a self-sustainable free gambling site, where users are able to use the service without been taken advantage of.
We might add advertisements or other donations stimulants later on but the core idea will always be free to use! Smiley

Thank you for the merit! We appreciate your support and we will not forget Wink






We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense Smiley

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.

I hope the time will change your mind. We are not in this to scam anyone! But i can understand the "bad feeling about this".
We do have the option for donations, we enjoy working on this. Yes we do pay this service out of our own pocket but we are 100% okay with that.
Atleast for the comming years, in the long run we hope it will become self-sustainable.






Hi all,

You can now play against the house with 50/50 odds!(up to 0.20$)
You can also do this with your free faucets! Smiley

GLHF

are you going to add more games other than heads or tails. its been awhile that i last visited your site and still no major improvement.
still in beta? when can we see the full pledge platform? this might be taking too long already.


We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense Smiley

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.

i dont think they can sustain their devt and operations for so long. having 0% house edge is really great. but if it will have impact in the longevity of the site, i guess it is better to have at least 0.5% house edge just to make things moving here...

We will be adding more game in the future. Well we added free faucets, some improvement(minor bug fixes etc) and Player vs House. We will remain in the beta state for the next couple of months untill we added all the games and extra features( payment options, user interface etc).
In your eyes this might be taking to long, like we said we pay everthing and we have no rush at all(we don't care about the costs) we see it more as a hobby. Smiley
There will be no such thing as faucet abuse, its already been tried a couple of times without succes.

I don't think you quite understand us. We are the dev team, advertisement team and support etc. We are not looking for fast progress. Some feedback is enough! Smiley

We see no need for any house-edge.




P.S. We updated our RNG page to make it more user-friendly! Smiley https://fifty-fifty.casino/RNG
legendary
Activity: 3122
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Hi all,

You can now play against the house with 50/50 odds!(up to 0.20$)
You can also do this with your free faucets! Smiley

GLHF

are you going to add more games other than heads or tails. its been awhile that i last visited your site and still no major improvement.
still in beta? when can we see the full pledge platform? this might be taking too long already.


We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense Smiley

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.

i dont think they can sustain their devt and operations for so long. having 0% house edge is really great. but if it will have impact in the longevity of the site, i guess it is better to have at least 0.5% house edge just to make things moving here...
full member
Activity: 728
Merit: 169
What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense Smiley

And to be frank, for me and probably for other users too this approach of "we're giving out a service for free" makes me think twice about their trustworthiness.
Someone who acts like that has to either be a millionaire philanthropist or a scammer... we all know which of the two is more common in the internet!

Personally I've made free software without adds, but those have helped communities without me losing money, they've helped me grow my skills and also pocked some little money from donations.
legendary
Activity: 3290
Merit: 16489
Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021
I've Merited you because you don't look like a spammer and thus shouldn't be restricted by Merit. However, you're "multiposting" a lot, so please stop that: use the edit button instead of making many posts on a row if you want to respond to many posts and you're the last one who posted in the thread.
I suggest you read Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ.

We are not trying to earn any revenue from it. We pay hosting out of our own pocket and we are currently in a financial state that allows us to do so. And the site will be 100% free, without any house edge even after the beta.
From what I've seen on faucet abuse in the past, I highly doubt this is a sustainable "business" model.

However, you wouldn't be the first website to start free and add advertising or payments later once the site becomes very popular. If that's part of the business plan, it kinda makes sense Smiley
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
Fixed some small issues with people DDOSing us.

Will update our RNG page soon so it becomes more userfriendly to understand! Smiley
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
Hi all,

You can now play against the house with 50/50 odds!(up to 0.20$)
You can also do this with your free faucets! Smiley

GLHF
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
Anyone had some more questions or feedback? Smiley
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
Free Faucets are here! Smiley
Also the minimum bet amount has been set to 0.00000001BTC!

Also coming this week: Player vs House with 0% edge(up to 0.20$)!




jr. member
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Fuck the system.
We will add a PvH mode(also zero-edge/rake) soon and free faucets Smiley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmSAvmvA70

More indepth video on how our RNG works(on the PvP side). Be aware only for people with technical knowledge! Smiley
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
We will add a PvH mode(also zero-edge/rake) soon and free faucets Smiley
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
I think its better to launch once the project is fully functional, let people wait but make sure , that its worth it, no need to hurry they. can still wait

I understand what you said and that is the most common way to launch a casino. But from our perspective; we would like to develop the site along with the community and show you guys the progress and if there is something wrong(for example our old RNG system) we will fixt it right away.
In this way it's not only our project but yours also! Smiley

And thb we expected more developers/technical feedback but all feedback is welcome! Please let u know what you think should be added in the site. Tongue
sr. member
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I think its better to launch once the project is fully functional, let people wait but make sure , that its worth it, no need to hurry they. can still wait
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
What is your business model? From what I've seen, you don't seem to have any method of making a profit, since you don't take any rake. I'm worried that you're only method of turning a profit is by cheating on your heads and tails game - you know the server seed and know the opponent's client seed, so you can easily create a client seed that generates a win for you.

Fixed that issue Smiley
jr. member
Activity: 70
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Fuck the system.
What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so


There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?

Sorry for my late reply, we have been very busy with the site and our personal life.

We develop the site and we do not need any income. We hope gamblers will understand that all the other casinos always win. That is our purpose.



There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?
He already said that if he will add advertisements later, so it will be their main source of income for his gambling site. (although i still wonder how they will get people's attention since they are still new on here)

The advertisement will only enter the site if the costs will become to high to cover it our selfs. Not as a way to gain a source of income.
We hope people will alert each other about this platform, but also there is no need to grow fast. Wink
legendary
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There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?
He already said that if he will add advertisements later, so it will be their main source of income for his gambling site. (although i still wonder how they will get people's attention since they are still new on here)
legendary
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What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so


There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

If you does not try to make money, how are you going to develop your site then? Everyone know that any gambling site should get some profit or even take some fees to develop their site or may be to use it for the marketing so more players will come and stay to play. But if your site does not need profit, how do you think your site is going to be then? Just opening platform for players to gamble without any purpose?
jr. member
Activity: 70
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Fuck the system.
What's going on, why all those red balls? Are we in a red lights district or something?
One red ball would be enough, no need to pop our eyes out!

Lol, i know it's a bit flashy but we saw how other casino's did it with there emoji's and we didn't feel like doing the same. At first we had a simple sentence but there wasn't this much attention, we want to stand out in anyway possible. ;P

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.
Its really unsustainable on the longer run yet we know that site profitability would only depend on donations? Ads?Traffic?
Sooner or later they would realize that those things cant really able to cope up on sites expense and would tend to switch
to have edge ones which isnt surprising.This model had been tried out already by some gambling sites but ending up to closure
and as said this isnt sustainable.

^ I agree that those red balls are quite a distraction.

We will never switch to a house edge of fee in anyway. If it won't be able to become self-sustainable we will cover all expenses. And yes the model has been tried out before but always with a business model behind it, since we don't have one we will never say that it isn't profiting enough.
I see everyone talking about expenses, what did you have in mind beside the hosting? It's not a company, no employees, no making revenue. Only hosting and we calculated that we are able to cover the hosting at any given time, even with 10,000 users.
hero member
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Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.
Its really unsustainable on the longer run yet we know that site profitability would only depend on donations? Ads?Traffic?
Sooner or later they would realize that those things cant really able to cope up on sites expense and would tend to switch
to have edge ones which isnt surprising.This model had been tried out already by some gambling sites but ending up to closure
and as said this isnt sustainable.

^ I agree that those red balls are quite a distraction.
full member
Activity: 728
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What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger
What's going on, why all those red balls? Are we in a red lights district or something?
One red ball would be enough, no need to pop our eyes out!
jr. member
Activity: 70
Merit: 2
Fuck the system.
Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.


We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

I will fully support the project that you are going to make, but at least you guarantee something or have a respected member partner in this forum. So people will trust you far more, rather than having to advertise. Indeed this is not fair, when I ask for guarantees about your project and you do not get anything from the project that you made, but believe when you have a guarantee there will be many donations to your project, not even just on your project, but a donation to you personally.


We understand but, we believe that users will attract more users. And we will be continuously working on this project and we hope one day people will trust us enough en start playing. We will update our work progress through this forum. Besides that, the donation aspect is only for users who want to see the platform growing faster! We see no reason to put our personal BTC adress anywhere.
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