This might be a different approach to gambling? - page 3.

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Quote from: Runnert on October 08, 2019, 05:29:24 AM

Quote from: adaseb on October 07, 2019, 02:04:28 PM

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

I will fully support the project that you are going to make, but at least you guarantee something or have a respected member partner in this forum. So people will trust you far more, rather than having to advertise. Indeed this is not fair, when I ask for guarantees about your project and you do not get anything from the project that you made, but believe when you have a guarantee there will be many donations to your project, not even just on your project, but a donation to you personally.

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Quote from: adaseb on October 07, 2019, 02:04:28 PM

Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

We tried something less flashy but we didn't got that many views.. We operate within the criteria of this forum.

If the donation idea doesn't work we might add some advertisements later on, but like i said donations are just to get extra progress on the site.
Think about paying for a website translator etc. We are not hoping on making a living from the donations aspect. Also not on the adds, those will be there just to make the platform self-sustainable. If that happens within 2 years we will be happy enough.

Well we will be provable fair, and will try to get out all the flaws the co-exist with a PvP system.
We believe that this will work, and we will do our best to make it work. ;P

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Please change your topic to something less flashy like your site name and maybe a feature or two like PvP and No House edge.

Like I said before I just don't see this ever being successful. You can't survive without a house edge, the donation idea will not work. Maybe if someone wins big they will donate 1% but most gamblers are greedy and won't donate anything at all.

Another issue is that in crypto we tried the PvP model before and it was even an option on the large prime size dice site and after a few years they removed the option due to low interest.

Most people rather just do it again the house and rely on provably fair.

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Quote from: BTCevo on October 07, 2019, 10:00:16 AM

Quote from: Runnert on October 05, 2019, 07:14:47 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on October 05, 2019, 05:47:52 PM

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so

There will be zero fees or edges. We are not looking to make profit from this project. But we do want the project to be self-sustainable in the long run. So we might add some advertisements later on.

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Quote from: Runnert on October 05, 2019, 07:14:47 PM

Quote from: Twinkledoe on October 05, 2019, 05:47:52 PM

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

How are you being able to get money if there is no house edge on your site? I do not understand how are you going to generate some money here. Even if it is a PvP based game there should be some fee that eill be deducted when you are winning towards other players. But here you are saying there is no house edge which means that when players win there will be no deduction for fee. So what is the point of having this gambling site for the start?

For players it will be good enough to have something like this for playing because it is pure 50/50 chance but is it profitable for you? I do not think so

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Quote from: veleten on October 06, 2019, 09:40:07 AM

Quote from: Runnert on October 05, 2019, 05:42:57 PM

Quote from: veleten on October 04, 2019, 08:00:05 AM

so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

well , I had a peek
the site is very basic , to put it mildly :0
its a pure PVP site, you say that there will be only player vs player games
this leads to another problem , that really hampers all of the PVP casinos - provably fair aspect
it is very hard to prove that the opponent you just lost to is not a house bot or the games are not rigged in any way
there were many attempts to create a popular pvp casino , all of them failed
lets hope you find a winning formula and your site makes it , good luck

I understand the site looks kinda basic at the moment. We are working really hard on improving the backend of the website. The next couple of months we will start with improving our UI. Please read the bottom part of our thread this will clarify the provable fair part. ;P

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Quote from: Runnert on October 05, 2019, 05:42:57 PM

Quote from: veleten on October 04, 2019, 08:00:05 AM

so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

well , I had a peek
the site is very basic , to put it mildly :0
its a pure PVP site, you say that there will be only player vs player games
this leads to another problem , that really hampers all of the PVP casinos - provably fair aspect
it is very hard to prove that the opponent you just lost to is not a house bot or the games are not rigged in any way
there were many attempts to create a popular pvp casino , all of them failed
lets hope you find a winning formula and your site makes it , good luck

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on October 05, 2019, 05:47:52 PM

What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

We want to add dice games with multiple players, poker, sports-bets(PvP) and lotteries. If the community has some other idea we are willing to add that if it is PvP and without house edge. We are curious as well if people are going to use our service.

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What additional games are you planning to integrate on your gambling site? I am curious what will happen to this site after a couple or six of months of active operations. Can they sustain their business or not?

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Quote from: veleten on October 04, 2019, 08:00:05 AM

so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

You can visit our site at www.Fifty-Fifty.casino. we are currently in the beta so don't expect to much.

Tips are really common in the regular casino's. There is no business model because all donations will be used to improve the website. We will not use the donations for our own benefit. Well we heard that most people don't mind seeing 1-2 adds a day for a free casino. Just to keep the platform self-sustainable.

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so , the monetization will be through donations , right?
I would like to see the site first , but I'm sure the business model is simply not going to make it
from my experience, when you provide some service or goods and ask people to donate if they like it
you will end up with one or two random donations , if even that , but I can see you are not too worried about the money aspect
adding ads to a gambling site doesn't give any bonus points from the point of view of a gambler
but once again , lets wait and see the product first , when is the ETA for the site to go live?

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Quote from: veleten on October 03, 2019, 07:07:40 AM

while the concept of the no-edge gambling is appealing , I would prefer a common business model with a 1% house edge
rather than some unsustainable and unknown way of getting profit
while I do believe in charity and hobbies , I exclude gambling sites since they are made to have profit for the owners , not fun
I only know one site that has implemented a zero edge model rather successfully , its a lottery and I can't say they are making big money with it https://8bet.io/ if you wanna check them out , by the way
in any case , more competition is always good , have the top sites move forward and the smaller ones try to overtake them , this what makes the gambling world go round

( and money , of course)

There is no unsustainable or unknown way of getting profit, because we are not looking to make profit. Well we find coding this website fun and we see it more as a challenge do make it.
We would love to see our final product being self sustainable. If the platform grows too big and there is not enough income with donations, we might add some advertisements later on.
I agree, that is why we wanted to build this not only for a good purpose but also to make a statement within the betting community.

Quote from: shield132 on October 03, 2019, 01:57:55 PM

I read your thread's first post, love the story to be fair, it shows great and right motive behind this project. But donation in casinos still sounds very funny, donate in casino instead of donate for poor people? Don't take it wrongly but I think there are some issues.
If your plan is to really help gamble addicts, be more informative around this subject too on your website to achieve better results.
Also you need to change UI as soon as possible, it's not really nice, I know you'll do that in some time but you really need some key to make customer visit your website and with bad UI it makes your promotion very hard.
On another hand wish you luck and all the best but I guess you seriously need to consider alternative methods of profit from your website rather than depend on just donation.

Thank you for your positive feedback!

We will change our UI later on because we want to make sure everything works perfectly, i understand that it is a big thing for gamblers but from our perspective important stuff first(RNG, security and a smooth backend).
After that we will look into our UI.
Good point, we will update our website information as soon as we got time for it. In the end we hope our platfrom will become self-sustainable. If the platform grows too big and we get not that many donations, we might add some advertisements later on. But we will never change our house edge of anything like that!

P.S. In regular casino's many people do give tips to the croupier. ;P

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I read your thread's first post, love the story to be fair, it shows great and right motive behind this project. But donation in casinos still sounds very funny, donate in casino instead of donate for poor people? Don't take it wrongly but I think there are some issues.
If your plan is to really help gamble addicts, be more informative around this subject too on your website to achieve better results.
Also you need to change UI as soon as possible, it's not really nice, I know you'll do that in some time but you really need some key to make customer visit your website and with bad UI it makes your promotion very hard.
On another hand wish you luck and all the best but I guess you seriously need to consider alternative methods of profit from your website rather than depend on just donation.

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Quote from: Yatsan on October 03, 2019, 06:50:44 AM

Quote from: Runnert on October 01, 2019, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: Yatsan on October 01, 2019, 09:42:54 AM

Quote from: Runnert on October 01, 2019, 07:30:45 AM

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Quote from: Lanatsa on September 27, 2019, 03:06:29 PM

If this gambling site that do have true intent then congratulations but as a gambler or even just a person that do have common sense on how business works then
its hard to think that a service do offers no house edge thing unless if its temporal then its understandable but this one pertain or tending to be free or houseedgeless forever then
you cant blame people not to question out.

Agree here 100%,,, and we all know we each hate ads and spam when we do not ask for it.

But on the other hand,,, if I like the site service and I do want to help them out, I will not mind seeing 1 or 2 ads a day, but of course only in a specific section where I can choose to watch and maybe open a faucet, that kind of thing. Just a suggestion:)

If you would like to help us out there is the option to donate to our project. We don't really feel like adding ads to a non-profit concept.

A really new approach to gamblers. Having 0 house edge could be a game-changer but how can you supposed to maintain your gambling site if you are only relying upon on donations. Not to mention the hosting service fee and other website fee's. Finding a good sponsor or donator can help you a lot on the free service that you are giving. Hyping this gambling site could possibly attract some donators to support you.

Kudos to Runnert on making this gambling site without any house edge!

The only costs we have at the moment are hosting fee's. And we will pay that out of our own pocket, because it doesn't has any financial impact on us. We don't really feel like getting a sponsor because there isn't much to pay. Well we don't want to hype our project in anyway because we strongly believe that when the community finds it good enough, users will will follow after that. So we are going to do our best to get to a point where players feel like playing on our site. More like word of mouth advertising.

I'm still thinking what you will get from having a zero house edge gambling site? Like you are paying for hosting fee without generating income from your players. Do you already thought of having a player donations, so you could get some? or just waiting for donator and sponsors? If you guys doing it for free some people will think there is something wrong? I mean it's kinda weird

Players can donate to the project on the donation tab but you need to log in first before you can access it. It is kinda weird, the entire idea is something that hasn't been done before. But i can ensure you we want to create the best and safest experience for our users!

That is why we were offline this afternoon to upgrade some security features.

So there will be a donation tab for players who wants to donate. As you have said it is something that hasn't been done before (If we're not mistaken) that is why prepare yourself guys to be ask by so many question especially when it comes to site maintenance and pool funds. I appreciate your effort on updating this thread and what you guys are up to, hope this will be successful. Wink

Once you make an acount the donation tab will reveal it self.
We are glad to answer any project related questions.

Thank you for your positive feedback!

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Quote from: game-protect on October 03, 2019, 05:09:24 AM

Quote from: Runnert on October 02, 2019, 03:30:39 PM

Quote from: game-protect on October 02, 2019, 03:02:45 PM

There is already edgeless.io and they have a registered company, so players know who they can hold liable if they will get scammed.

Who is the operator of your show?

We are the operators of this project.

I asked for the name of the company that operates your online casino?

There is currently no financial institution behind us, also no company as you could say. Just the Fifty-Fifty brand and us working on it.
I get you would like to know who we are, but due to the fact this is an online BTC casino, anonymity is a must for us. I hope you will understand that.

Quote from: Runnert on October 02, 2019, 03:30:39 PM

We do not have any intentions of scamming people, if we wanted to target the ordinary guy i could think of a 1000 ways to do that much more efficient. ;p

The problem is that if someone plans to scam he will not tell it in advance!

I understand, and if you do not feel comfortable with our service, make sure you do not deposit any funds.
Besides that like i explained earlier if we wanted to target ordinary people, we wouldn't have make this complex gambling platform.

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while the concept of the no-edge gambling is appealing , I would prefer a common business model with a 1% house edge
rather than some unsustainable and unknown way of getting profit
while I do believe in charity and hobbies , I exclude gambling sites since they are made to have profit for the owners , not fun
I only know one site that has implemented a zero edge model rather successfully , its a lottery and I can't say they are making big money with it https://8bet.io/ if you wanna check them out , by the way
in any case , more competition is always good , have the top sites move forward and the smaller ones try to overtake them , this what makes the gambling world go round

( and money , of course)

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