Topic: This shitty Merit System has ruined Bitcointalk and made it like Facebook - page 2. (Read 1259 times)

Lol. This persons post history clearly debunks his own points above.

Ask him to present his 10 best original thought inspiring posts that resulted in any meaningful changes here?
Ask him what his biggest achievement here is ( he said it was getting on to a highly paid sig campaign)

Then ask him who HugeBlackWoman is aka his alt he got busted for sneaky greedy sig spamming crap for the highest rates he could get.

Then how does someone with zero achievements, zero original thought inspiring posts that made any lasting difference here end up on FT1, one of the highest merit earners ever and spamming the highest paying sigs??

Think about that.

Why do think he wants to tell you how credible the merit system is  lol

If this place was a meritocracy he would remain on newbie for eternity.  The thought of paying for his misleading, self serving regurgitated slobbering is laughable.

Research and see for yourselves. This person is a fucking scammer supporting shit posting fool. Contrast that with his merit score and sig spam pay rate.  Merit Is working great he says.

Earning merits is not impossible, dude.  But when you admit to stuff like this:

You're pretty much admitting that you don't put any effort into your posts and don't want to do the work required to make your posts merit-worthy.  That's on you.  And I'm assuming your first language isn't English, but there are merit sources on a lot of the local boards that can be of help....if you put in the effort.

Depends on the signature campaign and the campaign manager.  If you have a very selective campaign like Chipmixer, you're going to get some of the best posters on the forum, and it's run by a firm but fair manager, DarkStar_.  Other campaigns have been known to let spammers/shitposters in, and there's very little oversight.  But I would agree that bounties are full of idiots posting nonsense nonstop, and the bounty managers generally don't seem to care all that much.

There is no fixing the merit system without full reset.
While there is huge financial incentive to game merit and it is wide wide wide open to abuse..

Guess what will happen.

We low quality posters had already accept the fact, that we are not eligible for ranking up what ever we may do.
If it is all about earning?..  we were just focus about the bounties on the altcoins so many opportunities than signature campaigns that paying btc.
 Also signature campaigns now a days requires Merit earn counts in their previous months,  which is impossible for us to have. 
P. S it's hard to make a posts when your goal was for begging merits 

I seem to agree with some of your points though, but merit system was introduce and implemented to solve the certain problems which was the easy rank up of accounts even without contribution to the forum as before it was only activity that matters.

This system is not perfect, but don't blame it to the merit system why others are easily getting a spot in a campaign. I'm sure some managers are not stupid enough to just solely based on the merit system, as far as I see, they also evaluate the post quality of applicants, and some campaign managers does not even require a merit from them to apply, so it does not make sense why we blame the merit system.

Do you forget about all the stolen coin he refuses to help go after because of his "Non-legal, non-violent" attitude?   

theymos does not care because he make 5000 BTC from this website. He has long since abandoned the bitcoin community after satoshi handed it to him and enjoys his selfish lavish lifestyle

That's not true, even with the excessive way you're presenting it. If I send a merit to a person, it can be seen on my merit history. It can be seen by everyone that BlackHatCoiner merited which shows that BlackHatCoiner liked a high quality post. So no, I don't have ZERO motivation to give my merits. They are useless units if I keep them, but I can show my generosity by giving them away.

I can't really compare any forum boards except Altcoin Discussion with Facebook.

I think you've confused Bounties with Signature Campaigns. On bounties you can literally see the same kind of post. Call it spam, call it meaningless. But on signature campaigns, it's entirely different. People try making high quality posts, otherwise they won't be accepted in future campaigns. At least this is the way I see it.

We can agree here.

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So basically, what annoys you is the spamming. Not the merits. If the merit system didn't exist, have you any idea how much spam it'd be? The altcoin discussion is the cancer you're describing that has "ruined" the forum. Not the signature campaigns. And you can verify that by observing that only signature campaign participants have replied on this thread. None from bounties.

Do you want to get rid of signature campaigns? Because i can't really see you offering any other solution. From what i've understood in Satoshi era this was a very different place anyway.

Or do you really want to go back to old system? That would just create account farming and meaninless spamming for bounties would be off the charts. How would that be good for the forum?

And comparing this to Facebook dopamin addiction doesn't make any sense; Making this forum a better place for everyone by helping others, with interesting points and informative topics is very different from posting puppies and selfies for likes with your friends.

While I agree that people with more merits can earn more money, but the main goal of the forum is to have positive an critical discussions about Bitcoin and not earning money, and if we remove the merit system, there will be hell lot of spammers making their way up ranks and earning from campaigns by more spamming. Coming to the competition part, I don't think it's true. While some might be a little hesitant to give out merits, almost all merit sources and people who have good number of smerits give it out generously without hesitation. It won't increase competition, because money isn't the only goal here, if a member posts good, he will rank up later or sooner

Who listens to a noob shilling such a crap sig?
Shhh the successful elders are discussing and debating based on observable events.

Try to debunk any of my points? I challenge you to debunk my core points in 24 hours or you admit you're a chode.

What you're stating is anecdotal crap from the perspective of a very professional ass eater.

Lol at your mind reading talents. My posts must be brilliant if nobody can debunk my core points ...get applying the merits and speed the word. I should have at a minimum 100k merits by now.

There is no evidence about this and you may also know that members will always give merit to the good posts that they think deserve a merit(s) if they have sMerit. And so far, many members are increasing the ranks and they are on the top. competition is something very usual in this life and how we can make qualified posts will deserve the results. SO, just keep up the good work and you can also get the merits and also chance to get into the signature with BTC payment and also others.

What do you mean by this?
This is so funny how you accuse this forum. But this is your only thought. Bounty Managers commonly not only consider the merit but also the post quality to get into the signature campaign that they manage. If you are a good poster, why don't you try to join them?

It isn't the merit system that is at fault. The problem is the migration of some of the old established members. Biased moderation is one possible reason, and I get pissed off when I have a post deleted. Especially if it is on a political or health topic. I spend a lot of time on research and observation, and I don't appreciate attacks from people who have rolled over and accepted the current propaganda. If you don't have time to do your own research,then at least look around you and think about what you can see,

Because it prohibits them from easily earning here straight away. muenze makes his gripes clear in the very post you quoted:



Not exactly true. If you registered before the introduction of the merit system all you needed was the activity which just required you to make one post every fortnight, hence the introduction of the merit system as people were easily farming accounts just by shitposting.

I was referring to people sending merit to their IRL friends for posts that are probably not deserving of merit for corrupt purposes. There are many good/interesting threads in the English subs, and most modern browsers have auto-translate features that allow people to translate content into their native language.

This is probably not an ideal situation. Having close to zero merit circulating in the altcoin sub means that it is more difficult to identify good posts to read and respond to, which will lead to a worse signal-to-noise ratio in that section.

You will get zero support here because.

1.The merit sources who derive like 80% of their merit from each other or the other top 200 cyclers all have their noses in the sig spam trough and DT protection racket.

So go check out the DT1 top 20 fans and recipients lol
Go check their DT inclusions.

So yes merit is a cancer that destroyed the forum.

2.  These people are the forum wardens friends who he will sit there and allow to cycle merit around to each other and include each other on default trust using the merit = trust he made up although that makes collusion VERY EASY rather than make it more robust.

Then he will allow them to use their position in DT and having bags of merits given to each other to

Red tag people for saying anything they dont like.
Red tag whistle blowers that present independently verifiable evidence of scamming
Block flags and legitimate warnings  on themselves or their scamming friends even when there is proof
Trade red tag removals so 2 scammers can make deals to remove each others red tags.

On top of this if DT can not find any evidence of any financially motivated wrong doing at all
Then theymos will put a defamatory and bogus lie on your threads that DT have placed warnings you are a scammer when they have not.

Yes the fact they use merit to ensure they are all jammed packed in the highest paying sigs is the tip of the iceberg.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-most-important-thread-you-can-contribute-to-this-yearno-kidding-5088852

This post was made before the merit and trust system were conflated as being the same thing.  
See how this member points out clearly the merit system is crap and abused anyway which no member could debunk his points.

Notice how theymos doesnt merit any of that but gives merit to some anecdotal crap from a guy that is now spamming

.....yes you guessed it CHIPMIXER. Claiming it all works perfectly well for him as he likes the taste of ass.

Merit is cancer to this forum. It was poorly conceived to start with. However like a foundation of pure liquid manure it was then built upon. And built upon to ruin the trust system and other aspects.

Now I see where people are pissed that merit sources are all on DT1 and all spamming the highest paying sigs.
Colluding and scamming with impunity in some cases. All are either scammer protectors or enablers. None have any back bone at all.

So yeah it's bad the most greedy and most corrupt take all the money and support scammers or enable them by not doing their fucking job.

The most worrying thing is the implications for free speech.

Merit is the carrot to push the echo chamber ..agree with our pov and get merits.
Merit is the fuel to control the trust system, that is the stick for not following the narrative or whistleblowing on them.
Also can be used to directly block legitimate warnings.

DT mods and the forum warden theymos will not dare deny or debate these points because every one is independently verifiable.

Meta is their favorite echo chamber.

You will get no support here to change the status quo. Next if you continue to speak the truth you'll get some red tags or get banned.

You notice even mods have multiple accounts where they are maxed out sigs and avatars. Lol

Theymos is independently wealthy obviously so greed is likely not his motivation for allowing such corruption and the crushing of free speech here. He is some kind of computer programmer or enthusiast that is likely trying some kind of weird social experiment or experimenting with some kind of pseudo centralized control systems and has spent a few hours designing and coding it out so is either too lazy to fix it or too stubborn to admit it was a cluster fuck until the forum is just him and some mods with Dt1 all fucking each other over fighting for the last sponsorships available.

Lol I mean the entire thing seems strange what kind of dumb fuck is darkstar to hire these dregs so you have 8 chipmixer sigs all on every page of meta. Also find me a chipmixer spammer that has made an original thought inspiring post that has made any lasting  difference? I mean find me 1 chipmixer spammer here that made a real difference to any important outcome here ever?

I see no huge scams stopped? I see no advise given that turned lots of poor people into millionaires. I see nothing at all apart from regurgitated slobbering and meaningless useless drivel from most of DT1. All claiming to be looking out for the forum and its members by milking all the best sig spots and other rev streams... high interest loans, escrow etc etc

Merit is cancer. Read every post by cryptohunter and the one above all  after that account starts posting in meta around 2019.  A wrecking ball of truth that meta couldn't handle.

Having said all of that make sure to understand free speech is far more important than a fair crack at the bitcoin dust
Both are intertwined but if they can only use the carrot and not the stick then more will speak out, or you would hope so.
Better if both are removed.

Keep pointing out how corrupt and flawed it is regardless of how much they tell you nothing will change so no point mentioning it further.
The main issue is that everyone is greedy.

They complain about how unfair it is until they are allowed to be part of it.

You see the same people fighting to retain merit? All those spamming highly paid mixer or gambling sigs?
They are the same ones fighting to prevent transparent objective standards as the basis of the trust system
They want to retain the capacity to red tag you for anything they want to retain the capacity to block legitimate warnings on their own and friends accounts.

See the dirty turds thread. The types of people in charge of merit and trust are clearly greedy corrupt losers.
They have been here years on end through 2 huge bull runs and are still broke. lol

Yeah their advise and posts are well worth merit. You can become a total loser too, what are you waiting for.   Haha

Oelieo or whatever that peasants name is, is talking crap.  Good post?

Well as suchmoon says good poster and bad poster are meaningless terms unless measured against specific criteria.

But these idiots of DT are splashing merit over each other for pure crap 95% of the time. Then say find brilliant posts that deserve merit and I will merit it.

Okay well how about let's start with the link posted here. Go merit the OP and each post he made there.
Then find every post CH, Toaa and all of those made about the merit system , DT scammers and spammers.
The dirty turds thread that no member could debunk any of the independently verifiable evidence of DT scamming, scam facilitating and scammer protecting.
If you want links here specifically that deserve merit let me know.

I mean you only need to look at foxpups merit splurging

He got busted chucking out merit every 2 nano seconds to pharmacist and other DT colluders.
He said he had a time machine. Others say they just bookmark ( their pals ) and search their posts to give them merit lol
He also says his own opinions are not based on any form of reasoning?
Merit = collusion credits.

Control merit and therefore DT = control all rev streams, can scam with impunity and block valid warnings , trade red tag removals , offer incentives via nice merit morcels or trust includes to either support or block their flags.

There are so many holes in this merit and trust system is it dangerous at best or deliberately corrupt.
Research and think about it for yourself.

@Op, I have over 30 smerit so if it happens that you find a good post you think it deserves merit, feel free to send me a PM with the link and I'll merit it after a review of course.
I'm not a merit source but lately I started browsing the altcoin section. Didn't find many reasonable posts to give merit to but hopefully in the future I spend some more time there and help the section as far as I can

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, and as suchmoon says, if you have examples to the contrary then please do provide them.

There is a well known troll who has spent the best part of two years whining about the merit system and how there are hundreds of good posters who are not getting the merit they deserve. He was asked on multiple occasions to provide links to these great unmerited posts so us merit sources could give them the merit they deserved, but he was unable to ever provide a single example.

There is a thread started by Loyce here - [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source - where you can leave links to good unmerited posts for merit sources to review. I would encourage you to use it if you find such posts.

I'm not saying all this to be deliberately antagonistic. It's just I spend a lot of time looking for and asking for links to all these great unmerited posters, and very rarely has anything been forthcoming. I'd be happy to be proved wrong though.

To reach Sr. Member before 2018 all you had to do was make 240 posts, quality didn't matter. To reach Sr. Member now you need 240 posts and some of them need to be good enough to stand out in the ocean of crap. You still haven't explained how that's a bad thing or why one would need to be a Sr. Member to begin with. And still no examples to support your blanket statements, like - users who have been making quality posts for 10 years.

BTW there are merit sources on the Altcoin boards so again, you need to show those overlooked high-quality posts.