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Quote from: madnessteat on January 26, 2023, 06:44:44 AM

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As far as I know Japanese are forbidden to gamble online, except for those that are not on the list of allowed games, but as we all know this restriction is easily circumvented by gambling in online casino which is in other jurisdictions and as far as I know Japanese authorities are not even trying to fight it. So really the Japanese are not as restricted in gambling as the OP suggests.

If they will ban it, they should have set specific rules and released unrestricted games so their citizens will not be confused. Others might never know that they are already playing forbidden gambling games. However, they could have their own rule and law as a country because they might have different analyses about gamblingbut I hope that they willbe clearer about this case to their people.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

How funny this is, lolz. It's like saying I don't smoke but I love inhaling it smell when other smoke. So what then makes the difference in that?
You know in our societies nowadays most government's do make certain laws to favour their interest, it could be that certain top government officials have horse racing is part of their hobby and so they need not to exclude that and other kinds of means of gambling that interest them at the top thereby putting a ban only on those that are out of their league of interest. If not why the sentimental ban on gambling activities, when gambling in any format is still gambling no matter how anyone might wanna paint it.

It can be a factor why Japanese have low criminal rates and why they have high life expentancy, if there are only few games available in Japan like betting in horse or lottery then it is possible that it can be a factor. In my country there are people who keep getting depressed after they lose money in major casinos and the worst case scenario is they do illegal things where they do a robbery, scam and many more just to regain the money that they lost. There are also people who becoming mentally sick because of losing huge money in gambling that can cause them to have low life expentancy.

There maybe a certain reason why the gambling in Japan became a criminal offense but I'm sure even though it is illegal there. There are still residents there who are accessing online gambling sites or maybe there is a underground casino that is operating in Japan where the officials do not know about it.

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Quote from: Unsoldier on January 26, 2023, 06:23:55 AM

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As far as I know Japanese are forbidden to gamble online, except for those that are not on the list of allowed games, but as we all know this restriction is easily circumvented by gambling in online casino which is in another jurisdiction and as far as I know Japanese authorities are not even trying to fight it. So really the Japanese are not as restricted in gambling as the OP suggests.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

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I don't know much about the Japanese and their view of the world. Maybe they do not see betting as gambling. Maybe the Japanese government realises that they cannot completely ban gambling and at least allow something. By the way, as far as I know, online casinos are allowed in Japan.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

How funny this is, lolz. It's like saying I don't smoke but I love inhaling it smell when other smoke. So what then makes the difference in that?
You know in our societies nowadays most government's do make certain laws to favour their interest, it could be that certain top government officials have horse racing is part of their hobby and so they need not to exclude that and other kinds of means of gambling that interest them at the top thereby putting a ban only on those that are out of their league of interest. If not why the sentimental ban on gambling activities, when gambling in any format is still gambling no matter how anyone might wanna paint it.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

We don't know what really happened there and why it was like that.
If from my point of view and mindset, maybe because betting on a match that is supervised by the government is permitted and legalized because the tax that is given is quite large and in accordance with what has been legalized.
If you say hypocrite, yes, hypocrite because they allow several types of betting, but on the other hand, they also prohibit gambling activities in the form of games or other bets.

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Quote from: traderethereum on January 26, 2023, 01:40:42 AM

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Yes, you do have a point there, but don't you think wouldn't that be risky? Knowing fully well that in as much as we have online casinos, some casinos restrict certain regions, and how sure are you Japan isn't restricted by most online casinos due to it's anti-gambling policy. As using VPN to create an account on any of those may end up causing yourself more harm than good (I.e when emergency arrives and there is need to verify KYC). But one thing certain is that if "gambling" is banned in Japan, they most have a reason for it.

The risk is still there, whether we know it or not, but even if we play in online casinos while our country prohibits all forms of gambling, we can get into trouble later on, especially if our government investigates their citizens when they surf the internet.
And while we still want to gamble at online casinos using a VPN, it can still be against your country's regulations.
And we also don't know the real intention of the Japanese government in prohibiting certain types of gambling except for gambling games that the Japanese government permits.

Yes, I do not deny that the risk is not there, but it's more riskier in Japan than any other country, because gambling on any online casino while still on Japanese soil is considered as a big criminal offence, of which if you are found guilty for gambling, it's punishment according to the "Article 185 of the Penal Code" is that such individual shall be fine to pay a sum not more than ¥500,000, unless such gambling was made for the purpose of amusement. And the official age for gambling is given to be 20yrs and above, (i.e only on the regulated games by the Japanese Government)

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Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on January 25, 2023, 06:40:24 PM

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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As far as I know Yakuza own underground casinos in Japan. Of course their casino offers a very narrow range of entertainment, but you have to remember that even if gambling is completely banned in your country you can play online casino.

Yes, you do have a point there, but don't you think wouldn't that be risky? Knowing fully well that in as much as we have online casinos, some casinos restrict certain regions, and how sure are you Japan isn't restricted by most online casinos due to it's anti-gambling policy. As using VPN to create an account on any of those may end up causing yourself more harm than good (I.e when emergency arrives and there is need to verify KYC). But one thing certain is that if "gambling" is banned in Japan, they most have a reason for it.

The risk is still there, whether we know it or not, but even if we play in online casinos while our country prohibits all forms of gambling, we can get into trouble later on, especially if our government investigates their citizens when they surf the internet.
And while we still want to gamble at online casinos using a VPN, it can still be against your country's regulations.
And we also don't know the real intention of the Japanese government in prohibiting certain types of gambling except for gambling games that the Japanese government permits.

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The farther countries are from each other (in this case, I'm not talking about the economic level, where everything is still more obvious), the higher the cultural differences. It is obvious that Japan and the United States have very little in common in culture if we take the history and not the current global state of affairs. I'm sure a lot of things in the US are just as shocking to the Japanese as some things are to you. By the way, the inhabitants of the United States, too, did not immediately realize that horse racing is a cruel sport? For a long time, this was considered completely normal and did not raise any questions.

In the east, there's cockfighting but is part of thier culture already which I think same with horse races or dog fights.

Despite the difference, everyone has a kind of moral flexibility though. Hypocrisy on each side.
Even those government/state lotteries and those casinos are pretending to allocate revenue to school programs but are making sure the student curriculum does not include probability and statistics otherwise educated people will not gamble.

Oh, you reminded me of state lotteries and I remembered a topic from last year where it was discussed that the winner of such a lottery (I think in the USA) from his winnings had to pay an absolutely insane share of taxes (well over 50%). Isn't that hyper hypocrisy? The state lottery initially takes 50% of the money for itself, then the winners are robbed of huge taxes, and as a result, what is the RTP of the lottery? 10%? What idiot would play this shit Grin

And then you are taxed on every single purchase you make as you need to pay a sales tax as well, which makes it even worse as the amount of money you are allowed to keep is many times lower than what you believe you won, but there is not much which can be done about it as the lottery is probably one of the most popular gambling games as with a very small amount of money a fortune can be gained, and for those that wish to become millionaires without working hard towards that goal this is their only escape.

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Quote from: madnessteat on January 22, 2023, 09:53:25 AM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

~snip~

As far as I know Yakuza own underground casinos in Japan. Of course their casino offers a very narrow range of entertainment, but you have to remember that even if gambling is completely banned in your country you can play online casino.

Yes, you do have a point there, but don't you think wouldn't that be risky? Knowing fully well that in as much as we have online casinos, some casinos restrict certain regions, and how sure are you Japan isn't restricted by most online casinos due to it's anti-gambling policy. As using VPN to create an account on any of those may end up causing yourself more harm than good (I.e when emergency arrives and there is need to verify KYC). But one thing certain is that if "gambling" is banned in Japan, they most have a reason for it.

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Quote from: Ndabagi01 on January 25, 2023, 06:01:28 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

The country is not even certain of the type of ban they really needs for the country. I don’t have issues with the games allowed but I don’t like seeing people using animals for sports. For God sake they’re living things also and they have feelings and emotions like humans. Some manner horses been used for racing are treated is inhuman, so a legal stop of it will be better.

Talking about horse racing which this kind of gambling is usually into those who are rich people who are involved into it.Even how much you do hate about animal cruelty as long they've been allowing it then
there's no thing that you could do.We know that each country does have their own laws which means that whether we are opposing into such idea but since its allowed then its allowed.Cultural things are
also one of the factors too and this is what people been dealing on something that they've been getting used to. The only thing we want that they should at least give out some clarification and dont
mention about total ban if there are gambling games which arent been banned, would be better if they would put up some level 1 or level 2 restriction then that total ban showing the list of
those games included.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

The country is not even certain of the type of ban they really needs for the country. I don’t have issues with the games allowed but I don’t like seeing people using animals for sports. For God sake they’re living things also and they have feelings and emotions like humans. Some manner horses been used for racing are treated is inhuman, so a legal stop of it will be better.

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Quote from: Bushdark on January 25, 2023, 05:23:02 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

Such is life and we just need to understand what we are putting ourselves into before we take a little look on the what we are fighting for. Sometimes I just laugh at some people that keep claming that gambling could have some side effects but you'll see them booking games with the intent to win some profits.
Anything we are fighting against, we should make sure that we are not going contrary to it because it could lead to our own jeopardy. Everything we do, we should keep making sure that we don't do it excessively to avoid any initial sequences.

'coz it simply depends on the individual. Anything has its bad side and whether you become a victim of that, will solely depend on you such as with addiction. Gambling is an addictive activity no doubt about that. But if you would be able to manage your exposure into it, for sure you'd be safe from addiction.

In terms of exception with gambling in different countries, I agree that culture might be also considered if not taxation. In my country many gambling activities are banned but lotteries are allowed simply because they are registered and are paying for their operation unlike with other gambling activities and platforms. Hypocrisy do not solely depend on action but also with the purpose of a claim. Sometimes generalized idea of prohibiting something becomes literal to others' perspective.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

Such is life and we just need to understand what we are putting ourselves into before we take a little look on the what we are fighting for. Sometimes I just laugh at some people that keep claming that gambling could have some side effects but you'll see them booking games with the intent to win some profits.
Anything we are fighting against, we should make sure that we are not going contrary to it because it could lead to our own jeopardy. Everything we do, we should keep making sure that we don't do it excessively to avoid any initial sequences.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on January 25, 2023, 04:44:34 PM

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That's what I think since their government is known to be really pro-people and taking care of it. That's just based on my perspective and I agree with you and you're right that they can't also control it anymore. But there are still some certain states or prefectures IIRC that do allow gambling there. And I think if they've seen that the changes are still not that effective, they'll make another policy to implement and will have to check and see if it's approving based on what they want to see as results.

Yes, there are indeed things which seems that it cant be controlled out even how government would be imposing such laws and rules where black market places would really still able to exist no matter on how they

are really that trying out to crack and this is why they would rather trying to regulate it out on the time they do realize that it is something that they cant be able to control with.

We know Japan that is highly restrictive into lots of things which you would really be not shocked if ever there would be some odd exemptions on particular things but
well each country does have its own pace on how to handle up things.

Yeah, can't argue with that for most countries have their own ways of dealing with things and handling them. They may not entirely say the actual reason for it but I guess it's just being agreed upon on who's sitting on the authority and was consulted based on reports that they've got.
And this is the good thing when discussions are up and open for anyone's opinion, we do get to see and read what the others are thinking and different from what we think and feel.

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the reason for that is not because they care about their people and they don't want them to be addicted to gambling

I disagree on this one, Japan is a good country that gives importance to its people, culture, and heritage and that's why it's not just all about being gambling is addictive but they do care for those people that you've mentioned that they don't.
Well, it may be confusing but despite I haven't been there but I'm convinced after watching tons of videos about them and not just all about the place, food, and whatnot but their government is thinking of the people's welfare.

How do they think about the welfare of their people when the citizens of Japan can easily spend all their money on the lottery or the same horse races?

It seems to me that this is not the case here. The government simply understands that they can't control certain types of gambling, so they don't allow it, and those gambling games that are allowed, they make a profit for the treasury. Why would they want to change this if the allowed gambling meets the needs of both parties.

That's what I think since their government is known to be really pro-people and taking care of it. That's just based on my perspective and I agree with you and you're right that they can't also control it anymore. But there are still some certain states or prefectures IIRC that do allow gambling there. And I think if they've seen that the changes are still not that effective, they'll make another policy to implement and will have to check and see if it's approving based on what they want to see as results.

Yes, there are indeed things which seems that it cant be controlled out even how government would be imposing such laws and rules where black market places would really still able to exist no matter on how they

are really that trying out to crack and this is why they would rather trying to regulate it out on the time they do realize that it is something that they cant be able to control with.

We know Japan that is highly restrictive into lots of things which you would really be not shocked if ever there would be some odd exemptions on particular things but
well each country does have its own pace on how to handle up things.

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Quote from: madnessteat on January 24, 2023, 01:42:16 PM

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Quote from: Rabi3 on January 23, 2023, 06:31:28 PM

the reason for that is not because they care about their people and they don't want them to be addicted to gambling

I disagree on this one, Japan is a good country that gives importance to its people, culture, and heritage and that's why it's not just all about being gambling is addictive but they do care for those people that you've mentioned that they don't.
Well, it may be confusing but despite I haven't been there but I'm convinced after watching tons of videos about them and not just all about the place, food, and whatnot but their government is thinking of the people's welfare.

How do they think about the welfare of their people when the citizens of Japan can easily spend all their money on the lottery or the same horse races?

It seems to me that this is not the case here. The government simply understands that they can't control certain types of gambling, so they don't allow it, and those gambling games that are allowed, they make a profit for the treasury. Why would they want to change this if the allowed gambling meets the needs of both parties.

That's what I think since their government is known to be really pro-people and taking care of it. That's just based on my perspective and I agree with you and you're right that they can't also control it anymore. But there are still some certain states or prefectures IIRC that do allow gambling there. And I think if they've seen that the changes are still not that effective, they'll make another policy to implement and will have to check and see if it's approving based on what they want to see as results.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 08:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

I agree that such a regulation does seem hypocritical.
But the government does have to issue these regulations because they want to control the habits of their citizens.
Of course the state doesn't want its citizens to have a lot of problems related to the effects of gambling, right?
It will have a big effect on the image and development of a country.
In fact, the regulation prohibiting gambling is actually only for control.
Gambling will still be everywhere.

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Quote from: Solosanz on January 25, 2023, 04:17:04 AM

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What's so hypocritical about it? Isn't the government free in choosing which gambling games are allowed and which are not? Does the government have to take everything all-in or black and white? I think they don't have to either put a blanket ban on gambling or allow all of them to operate. They don't have to make a single stand. They could actually choose which ones are worth allowing and which ones are not. And this is not unique in Japan. Other countries also have these inconsistencies. And they're fine.

Yep, usually they're ban a particular thing because their citizens suffer more problem when gambling on slots, while horse racing and lottery are fine enough for their citizens. Based on this article [1] it seems horse racing might be a good source of income for Japan on the 1860s, which mean they're respect about it and maybe it's of a way how Japan can become developed country. While lottery it's might be similar with giveaway which is fine.

What I know is that hypocrisy is when they ban it but they still continue to play secretly but how can they do it when it was banned already? If they really want to then they can travel on other places to gamble or they can play online.

People getting addicted isn't the only reason on why gambling is being banned but it can also be because those gambling establishments are illegal or doesn't have a permit to operate. They don't contribute to the society so they must be shut down. Even if gambling is banned, I think there are still other sources for the government to earn a revenue except maybe if the country is known to be a gambling capital.

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The farther countries are from each other (in this case, I'm not talking about the economic level, where everything is still more obvious), the higher the cultural differences. It is obvious that Japan and the United States have very little in common in culture if we take the history and not the current global state of affairs. I'm sure a lot of things in the US are just as shocking to the Japanese as some things are to you. By the way, the inhabitants of the United States, too, did not immediately realize that horse racing is a cruel sport? For a long time, this was considered completely normal and did not raise any questions.

In the east, there's cockfighting but is part of thier culture already which I think same with horse races or dog fights.

Despite the difference, everyone has a kind of moral flexibility though. Hypocrisy on each side.
Even those government/state lotteries and those casinos are pretending to allocate revenue to school programs but are making sure the student curriculum does not include probability and statistics otherwise educated people will not gamble.

Oh, you reminded me of state lotteries and I remembered a topic from last year where it was discussed that the winner of such a lottery (I think in the USA) from his winnings had to pay an absolutely insane share of taxes (well over 50%). Isn't that hyper hypocrisy? The state lottery initially takes 50% of the money for itself, then the winners are robbed of huge taxes, and as a result, what is the RTP of the lottery? 10%? What idiot would play this shit Grin

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