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Quote from: Rabi3 on January 23, 2023, 07:31:28 PM

the reason for that is not because they care about their people and they don't want them to be addicted to gambling

I disagree on this one, Japan is a good country that gives importance to its people, culture, and heritage and that's why it's not just all about being gambling is addictive but they do care for those people that you've mentioned that they don't.
Well, it may be confusing but despite I haven't been there but I'm convinced after watching tons of videos about them and not just all about the place, food, and whatnot but their government is thinking of the people's welfare.

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According to several sources that I read. Over the past 15 years, the pros and cons of casino legalization have continued to occur in Japan. those who are pros think the legalization of casinos will be a new source of income, especially to attract tourists. but those who are against worry, legalizing it will actually make Japanese citizens addicted to gambling, and the possibility of casinos will become another source of organized crime.

The opposition and most Japanese people worry about addiction. a poll conducted by NHK found that 44 percent of respondents opposed the plan. only 12 percent were in favor, and 34 percent were undecided. so, exactly the same as the Op posted in this thread. Currently, the Japanese government allows betting markets for horse racing, bicycle racing, boat racing, pachinko, pinball. the game is tolerated even though its legal status is still equivocal. thus, as I said previously posted. a government, will not necessarily make a policy without going through the proper procedures.

Finally, as Op shared in this thread. that only a few types of gambling games are permitted by the Japanese authorities. and maybe gradually in time, the policy will be revised and updated to allow other types of gambling.

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Quote from: Zlantann on January 23, 2023, 06:35:45 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 23, 2023, 04:31:09 AM

Actually, that can happen because in this case, the government makes policies or regulations regarding gambling. Of course, the government can determine which ones are included in gambling and which ones will not be included in gambling. So it's not surprising if it happened in Japan because maybe the Japanese government has some considerations as to why it's not against the law. Maybe this is because the government oversees the gambling game or maybe it's because this type of game has been around for a long time and has a huge fan base, including high-ranking officials from that government.

I accept your view. Gambling is strictly regulated in Japan and the government wants to ensure that the country is not flooded with many gambling platforms which would increase the rate of addiction. The gambling age in Japan is twenty and all casinos must be duly registered and certified by the government. This stance also has a cultural undertone. The Japanese always have a way of promoting their culture and values because they don't want to be influenced by external forces. That is why they would only want to permit only gambling that Is not totally in conflict with their cultural beliefs. But I am sure most gambling populations would have known some loopholes in this gambling legislation, which might grant them access to other gambling platforms.

Maybe that's what happened with land casinos in Japan so they implemented such rules to prevent conflict with their pre-existing culture and values. As long as the Japanese government can control the level of gambling in Japan, it will not deviate from the path they have set so that everything can run smoothly without any significant disturbances. The Japanese government seems to have realized the dangers of gambling addiction that can come to the Japanese people themselves and they don't want to see the number or level of gambling addiction increase.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 09:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

it's definitely because the actual reason for the Japanese government to ban gambling In the country and consider it as a criminal offense, the reason for that is not because they care about their people and they don't want them to be addicted to gambling, it's obvious because horse racing gambling is addictive just like any other gambling.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 09:09:11 AM

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

They are the ones who do have the power, so its up to them on what rules or laws that they would be imposing out on the whole country in related to this.It might doesnt really make sense on treating gambling as

a criminal offense but had made out some exemptions into other ones which would really boggle up your mind on how the heck they are really making up such laws which it should really be generalized
considering that those exemptions are considered gambling too.

Do they have that kind of category which would be considered a criminal thing? No one really knows and this is why as a citizen who do live on Japan
then you wont really be having no choice but to abide on whats been mandated.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on January 23, 2023, 06:40:41 PM

I am from the United States and I sure as hell don't think my government is any good, but I just don't understand much of the Eastern part of the world and their laws. The one thing that pisses me off is Japan trying to be all "moral" when it comes to gambling yet they allow for horse racing which is an extremely cruel "sport" that needs to be rid of, and is already well on it's way here in the United States as people are waking up to it's cruelties.

I believe Japan has a reason for that, in a non-country issue, I see the same thing in some religions where they blatantly say that gambling is evil but then when the time comes that they need funds for their outreach program, they conduct raffles and lotteries to accumulate funding. I believe the same thing goes for Japan. They found horse racing and lottery to be low-potential gambling and easy for the government to control and get money from it, so the Japanese government allowed this kind of gambling.

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I am from the United States and I sure as hell don't think my government is any good, but I just don't understand much of the Eastern part of the world and their laws. The one thing that pisses me off is Japan trying to be all "moral" when it comes to gambling yet they allow for horse racing which is an extremely cruel "sport" that needs to be rid of, and is already well on it's way here in the United States as people are waking up to it's cruelties.

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There are several reasons it seems and I read several news sources related to this of course this is not far from increasing national and local government revenues and offering a form of entertainment.
It's a little hypocritical but this is Japan they wouldn't do anything if it wasn't to the advantage so this sort of thing definitely happened.
Some legalized gambling is also very complicated because there are lots of rules that apply there for the sake of limiting it to lead to something bigger.

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Quote from: serveria.com on January 23, 2023, 02:11:19 PM

I've always wondered why countries choose to ban gambling instead of taxing it. I'm not sure about Japan, perhaps they have some historical reasons to ban some types of gambling? In many countries (again, I can't comment on Japan in particular) there are some people/groups lobbying certain types of gambling (like horse racing, sports booking, lotteries etc) so maybe that's the case here?

Well, I not sure about other countries that ban gambling, but for Japan, I can categorically say that their ban is out of selfishness, they know how big the gambling industry is, the government of Japan probably do not want the money they would be making from the business flowing to third party casinos whether it be within(inside) the country or outside the country, they want all the money flowing into gambling to go into their purse, and I also think it's a way for them to keep tabs on their citizens who gambles.

Maybe this is what other countries that ban gambling and copying too, but all being the same, citizens who really want to gamble will always find their way around the ban..

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 09:09:11 AM

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To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

It may seem like or even be hypocrisy itself for them to ban gambling on the country while allowing some games where obvious and vulgar gambling is included however what they are doing have help them to lower the amount of gambling activities on the country as they only allow a limited number of games to play on.

Actually, if you look into it much more deeper, you'll be able to know that there are a lot of games that may look and feel like gambling itself.

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 23, 2023, 05:37:34 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 09:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

In countries like PH, there is legal and illegal gambling. Legal gambling is those that are regulated by the government, paying taxes and complying with the country's gambling law. On the other hand, illegal gambling is those operating without any permit or license to operate from the government and avoiding tax and related supposed responsibilities of being a legal operation.

Maybe we can compare it to how's gambling in Japan, where there is allowed gambling and prohibited gambling aside from cultural reasons or whatever.

Gambling might be not 100% illegal there in general but its citizens should only gamble to their allowed gambling or else will face fines and penalties.

As long as the government it benefitting from the gambling activities of people, They are mostly allowed to do it. There are requirements such as license, paying annual taxes, regulations and other things that the operator must do. Illegal gambling only happens if the operator or casino didn't complied with the rules that the government set and obviously government doesn't get something from it. I don't think that it is illegal to do gambling in PH given that Philippines is performing it's national lottery almost everyday. I think it is the same in Japan but with more strict regulations and more controlled allowed gambling games.

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Quote from: Cryptomiles1 on January 22, 2023, 09:17:16 AM

At first it's totally ban and now there are exception. How?
I think those laws needs to be properly reviewed others I would suggest those one also should be entirely ban since they found sport betting as a sin and what isn't lawful to their country.
I buy your ideas to say it's Hypocrite. Why would ban others and only those mentioned are allowed.

It's a darned hypocrisy. The laws been amended for sure but the most that could have been done to this is looking at the side that poses a more threat to what they hope to avoid and that comes in terms of regulations. So long as its regulated and can earn the nation state some revenue, then it is good enough.
It's Japan though and am not a Japanese so, I can't say for sure what they hope to archive with this but, its worth something to be looked at for a second time or perhaps there is more to it. Perhaps they are looking at other gambling sports to come forward maybe.

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Everything has a reason, even though I don't really know the reason behind it all, but when we talk about the Japanese we know their discipline, so there might be a reason behind it all.
This may sound hypocritical but the fact is they regulate it and of course it is accepted there regardless of hypocrisy or not there may be some considerations about some gambling and of course the government there knows what they are doing.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 09:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

In countries like PH, there is legal and illegal gambling. Legal gambling is those that are regulated by the government, paying taxes and complying with the country's gambling law. On the other hand, illegal gambling is those operating without any permit or license to operate from the government and avoiding tax and related supposed responsibilities of being a legal operation.

Maybe we can compare it to how's gambling in Japan, where there is allowed gambling and prohibited gambling aside from cultural reasons or whatever.

Gambling might be not 100% illegal there in general but its citizens should only gamble to their allowed gambling or else will face fines and penalties.

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Quote from: Mate2237 on January 23, 2023, 05:24:57 PM

Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 09:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

Really if they are not accepting gambling then it should be cut across to all areas of gambling, or extend to all. Because gambling is gambling whether horse or card or dice game. What the government has seen as a legit gambling might not be a legit one for the other people in the city States. It is a hypocrite, I don't understand why they accept one side and abandon the other, it doesn't make sense at all. Even though they are reasons what about those gamblers that are not part of the horse race and others what will they do?

I felt my thoughts to be correct in this decision from Japan government. The government doesn't want its people to be addicted persons of gambling and doesn't want them to loss their hard earnings. Horse racing were made by the rich ones and this won't affect them even if they loss the bet. Maybe that's the prime reason from Japan for the ban on gambling.

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Quote from: Davidvictorson on January 22, 2023, 09:09:11 AM

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Gambling in Japan is not black and white. In fact, gambling is considered a criminal offence and is generally banned across the country.

Those that are found gambling can face large fines and even serve jail time.

However, there are exceptions to this rule. Betting on horse racing and the lottery are two forms of gambling that are accepted in Japan.

To me, this seems hypocritical. You claim that gambling is illegal, but you may bet on horse racing, Pachinko, bicycle racing, boat racing, and Mahjong, which baffles me. I do not seem to understand. Why is that so? You claim it is unlawful, yet wagering on games that are overseen by the government is not unlawful. Is this not hypocritical? What does the government fear?

https://gamblingnewsmagazine.com/gambling-in-japan/

Really if they are not accepting gambling then it should be cut across to all areas of gambling, or extend to all. Because gambling is gambling whether horse or card or dice game. What the government has seen as a legit gambling might not be a legit one for the other people in the city States. It is a hypocrite, I don't understand why they accept one side and abandon the other, it doesn't make sense at all. Even though they are reasons what about those gamblers that are not part of the horse race and others what will they do?

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There are so many reasons that might have prompt this action of Japan Government, to me may be the see it as a misleading and addictive behaviour that can damage the life of their younger generation but if I may advice somany developed countries see gambling as an avenue to make money in the area of tax been generated from the company and also this Business has to be registered in so doing Government get revenue too, so they should as a matter of urgency retrace their step to further review their earlier decision.

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Horse racing is the sport of kings and lottery is often a form of taxation levied on a population by their free will. I agree its pointless bias but gambling continues on every sport regardless thanks to the Yakuza network no doubt.
Any ban on gambling is quite pointless, same too with the smoking ban for young people in NZ I think it was. They will do it anyway and you might as well take some taxes for any negative fallout of those activities if it is so bad. Banning just creates an alternative black market with crime gangs fighting over the revenue with no real positives over freedom for all.

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Quote from: serveria.com on January 23, 2023, 02:11:19 PM

I've always wondered why countries choose to ban gambling instead of taxing it. I'm not sure about Japan, perhaps they have some historical reasons to ban some types of gambling? In many countries (again, I can't comment on Japan in particular) there are some people/groups lobbying certain types of gambling (like horse racing, sports booking, lotteries etc) so maybe that's the case here?

We are used to (I hope that most) live in civilized countries where people decide what to do, but in fact the world is full of countries where for religious reasons (or tradition or some other nonsense) there are people who believe that they can tell others how to live. All these prohibitions are absurd and only lead to the emergence of a black market. If a person wants to have fun, he should be allowed to do it under normal conditions and not on the black market, which is created by prohibitions.

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Quote from: crwth on January 22, 2023, 09:20:06 AM

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If you were to compare the two, slots and horse racing, the latter would have more on the entertainment side and wouldn't lead to an addiction compared to slot machines, which many people are addicted to. It depends on how the government sees it. For sure, there are more reasons for it. I think it's about the deep cultural roots of horse racing in Japan that made it to the "legal list" of gambling.

They also have regulations, and the government makes money from the operators' taxes. Unlike if it's in underground gambling or something, they probably don't pay.

Ok...

The addict is prone to relapse and for the one who is in the process of becoming addicted, any type of gambling is harmful.

Now, in my opinion, Horse racing have been more addicted throughout history, but much more than Slots, horse racing exists in the modern way as we have known it for centuries.

In fact, the easy access to bookmakers that in more modern times with a phone call you could already bet a has been a much better breeding ground to create addiction. You don't need internet, or a cell phone, you just need an old radio and often AM is enough.

Then are legal in almost the entire world, so, they generate tax payments of millions of dollars every weekend, in fact in some countries the racetracks begin to have races from Tuesdays.

So, horse racing was the queen of betting before the Internet made sports betting popular.

Finally, the Hippodromes generate much more sources of work and develop a whole parallel industry around them more than an online casino or even a traditional casino.

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